The rampant spread of shitty advice!!

mudballs said:

you know i'm trying to leave this one alone. it'll run out of my blood soon i hope but here's a counterpoint. that's the unwelcoming, hostile, belligerent, schoolyard clique. i'm 41 yrs old so no you haven't been on mj sites longer than i've been alive. it's so easy when cooperation fails to turn to hostility. then surprise when hostility is met with hostility and it degrades to "i'm l33t scrub stfu." i've been on forums as long as they've been around. original dial-up telnet bulletin boards on i386's. it will always be like this.

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panhead said:

Ok great than that means you should understand the op's motives for posting the thread a little easier.

I dont know you or your growing skills but here's a scenario i'll pop into your ear,lets say your a stone newb who dont know soil from hash he's so new & he's trying to set up a simple flood & drain hydro system,to experienced growers its a simple pimple but to newbs its rocket science.

So Mr newb posts a thread asking specific questions about setting up his new system,half the posts he gets are one liner posts that dont contain enough info to teach anybody anything,then ya got the post count whores who post nonsense just to be part of the thread.

Next Mr newb has to deal with the jokesters who post pictures of bunny rabbits wearing a pancake on its head or leave some random bs advice steering him in the wrong direction thinking they are funny ,then ya got the people who just started growing & are posting threads asking questions trying to learn to grow, then they spew the advice they were just given 2 days ago in the hydro newbs thread as if its experience they've learned in their own systems .

Now ya got the real growers who post advice based on years of personal experience who take the time to write informative posts with spot on advice , which normally seems complicated to newbs but its the best advice given in the thread.

So now Mr newb has to weed thru all the post whores,the funny guys who think every thread exisists for their entertainment , the off topic thread hijackers who start entire different topics within his thread, the other newbs who know just enough to be dangerous with advice & the real accomplished growers who give explicit advice that will help him for sure.

How is a dead nutts newbie supposed to figure out who's advice to follow , especially when people who havent even smoked their 1st harvest yet are giving advice , wouldnt you prefer any advice given to you to be from somebody with hands on experience with your issue ? Or would advice from a new grower who's repeating what they read in other threads be ok for your grow.

Giving advice should be based on personal experience , never what somebody heard someplace or read in other threads.

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panhead said:

Ok great than that means you should understand the op's motives for posting the thread a little easier.

I dont know you or your growing skills but here's a scenario i'll pop into your ear,lets say your a stone newb who dont know soil from hash he's so new & he's trying to set up a simple flood & drain hydro system,to experienced growers its a simple pimple but to newbs its rocket science.

So Mr newb posts a thread asking specific questions about setting up his new system,half the posts he gets are one liner posts that dont contain enough info to teach anybody anything,then ya got the post count whores who post nonsense just to be part of the thread.

Next Mr newb has to deal with the jokesters who post pictures of bunny rabbits wearing a pancake on its head or leave some random bs advice steering him in the wrong direction thinking they are funny ,then ya got the people who just started growing & are posting threads asking questions trying to learn to grow, then they spew the advice they were just given 2 days ago in the hydro newbs thread as if its experience they've learned in their own systems .

Now ya got the real growers who post advice based on years of personal experience who take the time to write informative posts with spot on advice , which normally seems complicated to newbs but its the best advice given in the thread.

So now Mr newb has to weed thru all the post whores,the funny guys who think every thread exisists for their entertainment , the off topic thread hijackers who start entire different topics within his thread, the other newbs who know just enough to be dangerous with advice & the real accomplished growers who give explicit advice that will help him for sure.

How is a dead nutts newbie supposed to figure out who's advice to follow , especially when people who havent even smoked their 1st harvest yet are giving advice , wouldnt you prefer any advice given to you to be from somebody with hands on experience with your issue ? Or would advice from a new grower who's repeating what they read in other threads be ok for your grow.

Giving advice should be based on personal experience , never what somebody heard someplace or read in other threads.

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hellmutt bones said:

I feel ya bra! Theres some aholes outhere.
But really u would take advice from a forum like this?? What i do is google, youtoube, books, all that shit even if it takes me days.
And if what the poster came close to what ive read then yes i might take his advice. Or i would use a particular plant as the guinne pig.
but in other news..Oops i did it again!!

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Silky Shagsalot said:

i don't know sunni, i'm pretty sure i've seen you run people out of a thread because the op asked the person to leave. if we could post when/where we want, then what you say would be true. imo, even an op shouldn't be able to limit who responds. unless of course, the responder breaks a site rule of some sort. bad advice??? just cause you don't agree with someone else's response, doesn't necessarily make the advice incorrect. if i give advice (which is less and less) and someone challenges me, i'll usually try and expand. but if it turns into a shit storm, i usually fade out...

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abe supercro said:

good ppl try to give solid advice sometimes, but human error happens. one time noob has salt build up, so i tell em, "leach" your pots... give em a BiG drink! only thing was my auto-correct was On and I had a typo, so the NewMessage became "bleach" your plants... Sure enough the noob poured an entire gallon of bleach throughout his garden, everything died. win some, lose some.

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mudballs said:

so my analysis is the sites admins and mods aren't using their skillset and tools to maximum effect and are hilariously under staffed given the workload. ex. "the original posters question has been answered this thread is now locked"

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hellmutt bones said:

I doubth we answered anything??
I cant even remember what ops question was..

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panhead said:

We used to have a rep program where thread participants could add to somebodys reputation for good advice,in theory rep should of only been given for good grow advice but the majority of the membership made a mockery of the reputation system.

People would give rep for posts that made them laugh or that backed their arguement , they even started threads where they would leave each other rep points just for posting in the thread,i saw several members who had only been members for 6 months have 3 full rep bars & when looking thru their past posts all the rep came from toke n talk for bullshit posts.

There was a small movement here about overhauling the rep system so rep could only be left for grow advice but it was an odd time at RIU where the admin was pretty much against any type rules or regulations so the movement to fix the rep system got blown off.

For years i stayed out of toke n talk & only posted in unanswered questions or grow advice trying to help newbs & growers having difficulty , problem was is most threads get hijacked here & go off topic so fast its hard to give meaningfull advice without some kid who's takin a break from facebook posting a bunch of bullshit directly after a post with solid advice,the hey look at me factor in effect,many of us experienced growers simply gave up trying to advise or mentor.

Sad to say but RIU is not the site to come to if you want to learn to grow or enhance your skills,theres too many members here just to have fun.

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mudballs said:

now we are getting somewhere. my instinct answer would be it's the mods responsibility as representatives of a mj grow site to patrol those specific threads and make sound edits/removals based on the mods centralized exp. not hard to know a no text/pic post should be removed.they belong in 'off-topic' threads.we are now holding you and others mods to task. there's plenty of places for the shenanigans. step up and intervene for the betterment of the community, for RIU as a whole.now for the posting of newbs who post from info from other threads. i do this but i usually link to it as well. i don't see too much wrong with that. it may even be using info from very advanced users no longer around (ex.nugbuckets main-lining) but that is a generalization that maybe we should avoid.

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mudballs said:

we also had irc chat rooms (skype now) where mods/priv members only would discuss forum actions prior to acting. with global mods in charge.
not sure if you guys do that

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mudballs said:

so my analysis is the sites admins and mods aren't using their skillset and tools to maximum effect and are hilariously under staffed given the workload. ex. "the original posters question has been answered this thread is now locked"

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panhead said:

1st off in the spirit of fairness & honesty i am no longer a moderator even though i still retain the title, if i was still a mod i wouldnt be posting in this thread , i kept to business & didnt become involved in many threads,hence my relatively low post count for my years on site , RIU was hijacked by some Jesus fanatic about 6 months ago & went offline,when RIU came back online most Moderators were dismissed from duty & i was dismissed as well,i think Potroast left my moderator title in place out of respect for my years on site but thats just a guess on my part .
Rules have changed at RIU since i was a mod so i cant speak for how the Admin wants the site moderated nowdays but when i was a mod there were very few rules,moderators were not free to delete posts that derailed threads from their intended topic.

Infact when i was still a moderator i posted the topic in staff forum where i questioned the lack of moderation as to keeping informational threads on track ,i asked for permission to do something about the hijackings & was shot down like a scud missle ,to this day im clueless as to why the Admin dont feel that keeping informational threads on topic is of any importance .

On your other reply as to reposting what you've read other places & included links to where you got the info,im not sure that qualifies with the op's idea of giving bad advice,if you make it known the advice is based on whats been read then include a link to the origional info thats worlds different than passing it off as something you've proven helpfull in your personal grow.

We've all got strong feelings on the subject but i think we can all agree that everybody wants to give helpfull information, when information is posted as fact instead of hearsay is when it becomes harmfull to the person needing help.

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mudballs said:

it isn't just ME, i didn't start the thread. I just offered a solution found through years of forum activity....lockdown on certain stuff is imperative. question, you can't even lock threads?

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mudballs said:

it isn't just ME, i didn't start the thread. I just offered a solution found through years of forum activity....lockdown on certain stuff is imperative. question, you can't even lock threads?

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