the politics of fucking little girls: roy moore, the next GOP senator from alabama

will you vote for roy moore, the nazi pedophile?

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luckybleu

luckybleu

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UncleBuck said:
roy moore thinks muslim people should not be able to hold office.

he thinks homosexuality should be illegal.

he thinks kneeling for the anthem is illegal.

the GOP has wholly endorsed him anyway. so much for the party of "religious liberty" i suppose.

but now news has broken that he raped a bunch of 14 year old kids. he's a pedophile.

the GOP will still elect this pedophile.
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Alabama is a shit stain on America.
 
cindysid

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Fogdog said:
I'm guessing. Bill Clinton was gov?
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Yes he was, but he wasn't the problem, in fact he helped me out. There was a sheriff in the county where I lived who had a thing for me when I was 16, used to sit outside my house to "watch over me", stalked me wherever I went, exposed himself to me , burglarized our house, and made life miserable for me and my family. I reported him to the governor's office (Clinton). He eventually got in trouble and was fired, but at that point I had moved away. There are a lot of perverted old weirdos there and many of them are law enforcement and religious leaders/youth directors. It's a hellhole. I've never looked back.
 
Fogdog

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cindysid said:
Yes he was, but he wasn't the problem, in fact he helped me out. There was a sheriff in the county where I lived who had a thing for me when I was 16, used to sit outside my house to "watch over me", stalked me wherever I went, exposed himself to me , burglarized our house, and made life miserable for me and my family. I reported him to the governor's office (Clinton). He eventually got in trouble and was fired, but at that point I had moved away. There are a lot of perverted old weirdos there and many of them are law enforcement and religious leaders/youth directors. It's a hellhole. I've never looked back.
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goddamn

What a terrifying situation. All too common a story. It happens everywhere too. At work, in women's sports, church. Sorry to hear about yours.
 
PCXV

PCXV

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Fogdog said:
LOL

You mean Independents didn't register to voter as Democrats in time. Convenient that you forget, the race was over after Bernie was destroyed in the South by the preponderance of Black voters who saw that Bernie was just another unreliable white man who represented unreliable white liberals.
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Is he though, or were they wrong? iirc he has a pretty liberal voting record, and a willingness to side with social liberalism.
 
cindysid

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Fogdog said:
goddamn

What a terrifying situation. All too common a story. It happens everywhere too. At work, in women's sports, church. Sorry to hear about yours.
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As a grown woman I've had some very unpleasant encounters, which I have been able to handle pretty well, but it scars a child in many ways, even if there is no actual sex. I lost all respect for authority figures, and I absolutely hate cops and preachers.
 
Fogdog

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PCXV said:
Is he though, or were they wrong? iirc he has a pretty liberal voting record, and a willingness to side with social liberalism.
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With Sanders, when he speaks, it's always about economic equality and campaign finance reform. Race neutral issues. Women's rights advocates, black and Hispanic leaders have all said that they felt invisible to Senator Bernie. The capper to me is during a town hall session in December, when asked about political correctness, he said "people are tired of political correct rhetoric" and then went on to completely wrongly characterize what PC means. He isn't bad about these issues, his voting record is good, it's just that he's not ever going to be a good leader on these issues. This is why I say he's unreliable. He doesn't demonstrate that he has knowledge of these issues and I think he's trying to appeal to the fragile white racist-leaning but liberal demographic, which describes Vermont to a tee. If push comes to shove, I don't think we could rely on Bernie to do the right thing when it comes to racial politics.

He's not bad, he's just not a leader in this area and he's hard for me to trust in the areas of women's rights and racial equality. That said, there is a lot of diversity among the people who are listed as candidates on his "Our Revolution" reform movement's web pages. It could be that the people in his movement are better than he is.
 
Fogdog

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cindysid said:
As a grown woman I've had some very unpleasant encounters, which I have been able to handle pretty well, but it scars a child in many ways, even if there is no actual sex. I lost all respect for authority figures, and I absolutely hate cops and preachers.
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Every woman I've ever been close to has told me horrendous stories about a whole range of male misbehavior toward them, from demands for sexual favors to harassment up to attempted rape. It's so common that we treat it as nothing unusual.
 
PCXV

PCXV

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Fogdog said:
With Sanders, when he speaks, it's always about economic equality and campaign finance reform. Race neutral issues. Women's rights advocates, black and Hispanic leaders have all said that they felt invisible to Senator Bernie. The capper to me is during a town hall session in December, when asked about political correctness, he said "people are tired of political correct rhetoric" and then went on to completely wrongly characterize what PC means. He isn't bad about these issues, his voting record is good, it's just that he's not ever going to be a good leader on these issues. This is why I say he's unreliable. He doesn't demonstrate that he has knowledge of these issues and I think he's trying to appeal to the fragile white racist-leaning but liberal demographic, which describes Vermont to a tee. If push comes to shove, I don't think we could rely on Bernie to do the right thing when it comes to racial politics.

He's not bad, he's just not a leader in this area and he's hard for me to trust in the areas of women's rights and racial equality. That said, there is a lot of diversity among the people who are listed as candidates on his "Our Revolution" reform movement's web pages. It could be that the people in his movement are better than he is.
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Good points, they make sense as to explaining his lack of appeal to minorities and women.

Bernie and a portion of his followers are weak on issues of racism and sexism, but I believe if the decision came down to him he would side with social democrats nearly every time. This weakness is also a strength though, as it brings in a huge population of disaffected whites stubborn to the idea of putting anyone over themselves with the justification that they are struggling just as bad or worse (they are wrong, but not entirely invalid in feeling that way). The movements need to come together to form a coalition to ensure the number of votes. There is no way around it. Maybe we need someone like Bernie that can speak to these people, someone that doesn't make them feel shamed (even though they shouldn't, they are just being reactionary assholes), but lead by example by making the right decisions. To educate people we might first need to bring them under our umbrella. If we give them the ultimatum first with no carrot, they will likely stay in the rain (ignorant and susceptible to right-wing hate propaganda).
 
Fogdog

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PCXV said:
Good points, they make sense as to explaining his lack of appeal to minorities and women.

Bernie and a portion of his followers are weak on issues of racism and sexism, but I believe if the decision came down to him he would side with social democrats nearly every time. This weakness is also a strength though, as it brings in a huge population of disaffected whites stubborn to the idea of putting anyone over themselves with the justification that they are struggling just as bad or worse (they are wrong, but not entirely invalid in feeling that way). The movements need to come together to form a coalition to ensure the number of votes. There is no way around it. Maybe we need someone like Bernie that can speak to these people, someone that doesn't make them feel shamed (even though they shouldn't, they are just being reactionary assholes), but lead by example by making the right decisions. To educate people we might first need to bring them under our umbrella. If we give them the ultimatum first with no carrot, they will likely stay in the rain (ignorant and susceptible to right-wing hate propaganda).
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A subtext behind this strategy is that minorities should put their issues on hold while a common race neutral problem like our fucked up health care system is addressed. I don't know if you see it this way, but that's what Bernie's supporters have basically said in this forum and it is what Bernie is saying with his silence. What I hear from black leaders is they aren't going to put aside issues like unequal pay, unequal housing, unequal treatment by police any more. Let's face it, neither candidate in 2016 was viewed as a great leader on racial equality issues. Personally, I think we can build a coalition that does both and has the numbers to retake Congress and the WH. I don't think Sanders is the person to lead that coalition.

That said, I don't think he's bad, he's just an old politician representing an old way of thinking. I'd still vote for him if he won the nomination and I won't carp like the Sanders supporters did during the election. The time for this debate is now and I'm glad we are having it.
 
PCXV

PCXV

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Fogdog said:
A subtext behind this strategy is that minorities should put their issues on hold while a common race neutral problem like our fucked up health care system is addressed. I don't know if you see it this way, but that's what Bernie's supporters have basically said in this forum and it is what Bernie is saying with his silence. What I hear from black leaders is they aren't going to put aside issues like unequal pay, unequal housing, unequal treatment by police any more. Let's face it, neither candidate in 2016 was viewed as a great leader on racial equality issues. Personally, I think we can build a coalition that does both and has the numbers to retake Congress and the WH. I don't think Sanders is the person to lead that coalition.

That said, I don't think he's bad, he's just an old politician representing an old way of thinking. I'd still vote for him if he won the nomination and I won't carp like the Sanders supporters did during the election. The time for this debate is now and I'm glad we are having it.
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I agree about Sanders; I don't think he is the one (leader) either, edit: maybe we don't need a leader, we just need to change the discussion.

My argument to the minority leaders is the same as my argument to the economic progressives; we are stronger together. We can focus on multiple issues at once. This coalition means making the other side's issues your side's issues as well. The people that want UH need to stand with and vote for the issues black leaders address and vice-verse. We need to stop looking at progressing issues as a zero-sum game. Set the terms of negotiation as "once we get a majority, these are the issues we will address all with equal priority" with a pledge from both sides to support the other and vote bills in simultaneously. Failure to do so should have explicit consequences, maybe vote on both bills in the same day to assure compliance; if one bill doesn't pass, neither does the other. Or rollitup in cromnibus.
 
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UncleBuck

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captainmorgan said:
The republican machine is hard at work making another false equivalency comparing the child stalking and raping of Moore to Franken's misogynistic bad behavior with one adult woman, yeah they're exactly the same.
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the franken smear is completely fabricated and photoshopped
 
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