The Official House and Garden Thread

[moreherb]

The roots excel contains high quality silica and humic and a micro heard so you shouldn't need the extra silica.humic and great white...with the addition of the bud xl and top booster you shouldn't need the kool bloom, I would suggest looking into the shooting powder and drip clean to use with those, Sans florakleen...

-Roots Exel is only used in veg ant the first week in flower. My roots have developed and now I am feeding them.

-Silica is not only for the roots but for the plant cells as well so when you dry your bud its fights the crispyness.

-The humic is just for nutrient uptake. My plants drink all that shit out the water.


-Koolbloom for weeks 2-4 (NPK 0-10-10) Just a PK boost, Denser buds from the start.

-Monster Bloom for weeks 5-7.5 (NPK 0-50-30) Top shooter would be used in these weeks. A stronger PK boost, Adds about another 25% to weight.



-8-9 flush, Flavor I believe is all in the flush and the cure. The sweetner is my problem. I used them a couple years ago and I want to try it again because I switched to H&G.

I grow RDWC if your reading. I would not waste my money on drip clean.

Shooting Powder (dry)& Top shooter(liquid) are the same. (NPK 0-20-9 as I read) Both the same idea as monster bloom.

I only grow Blue Cheese but this is my last run with it. I know my plant. I been through about 6 clycles with it. I dont need to change anything, I didnt say I needed help with that. The question is in bold print.

Mybad if I come off rude but your totally off.

 

[Scroga]

Sorry was just thinking you could save some coin and get same results imo... i don't feel I'm "totally off" by any means because I use all these products...

 

[Scroga]

My bad... it's the amino treatment that has the silica added...

 

[budman111]

The roots excel contains high quality silica

I thought silica was in the Amino Treatment? Is it in Roots Excel too?...I bought the gold bottle of Roots Excel few weeks ago and disappointed to say the least, you don't see huge furry white roots no more like the silver bottle did, crack for roots it was lol, its just seems microheards now so they lost me.

Edit: *Just seen the above post lol*

 

[moreherb]

Sorry was just thinking you could save some coin and get same results imo... i don't feel I'm "totally off" by any means because I use all these products...

My bad man. Just off in my case. I have different methods than you. We all get good results.

 

[moreherb]

So I was like Fukit
I ran out and bought the BudXL.

I talked to a few hydro guys around town and they recommended it. Im skipping the molasses sweetners unless someone can prove why they are worthy. For hydroponics I am not using straight molasses. I only heard 1 snake oil claim on this stuff and hundreds of if you have H&G try to stick with H&G products.

Im not going the top shooter route. Im sticking with the monster bloom. That top shooter is $150. What does it do that monster bloom doesn't do?.

If someone wrote a legit book on controlled environment nutrient experiences of all the different brands and published it they would make millions.

 

[Scroga]

I use molasses via a ewc tea... the microbes break it down to useable macro and micro nutrients during brew... straight molasses could feed loitering pythium spores... your running a couple of inoculants so you should be o.k....

 

[nowhereland]

hey guys iam thining of switching over to h and g after going with earth juice for the past 2 grows

iam using soil and i wanted to get the most simple schedule possible with h&g, i dont care about root exel stuff, not saying it doesnt work but to me its not essential, what schedule will allow me to grow good buds w/o defiency problems, thats all, thanks riu

 

[Warriorbuds]

So I was like Fukit
I ran out and bought the BudXL.

I talked to a few hydro guys around town and they recommended it. Im skipping the molasses sweetners unless someone can prove why they are worthy. For hydroponics I am not using straight molasses. I only heard 1 snake oil claim on this stuff and hundreds of if you have H&G try to stick with H&G products.

Im not going the top shooter route. Im sticking with the monster bloom. That top shooter is $150. What does it do that monster bloom doesn't do?.

If someone wrote a legit book on controlled environment nutrient experiences of all the different brands and published it they would make millions.

Do not put molasses in your reservoir....lol......I grow in soil....but that seems like a no brainer.....Good luck broseph!

 

[moreherb]

Do not put molasses in your reservoir....lol......I grow in soil....but that seems like a no brainer.....Good luck broseph!

I thought was what I wrote. "I am not using straight molasses". I wrote it so the last guy would not suggest it to me.

Botanicare and all the other brands make sweeteners that you can buy at the hydroponics stores that basically are molasses for hydroponics; they have no NPK value. BudXL has a NPK value and that is why I paid $50 for it.

 

[Sativied]

If someone wrote a legit book on controlled environment nutrient experiences of all the different brands and published it they would make millions.

Not really, it would be sort of like a book on UFOs.

 

[Scroga]

The amount of mis information generated because of it would be huge...

 

[moreherb]

It could work if someone put the time and money into it.

I say choose 2 well known strains and test all the nutrients with the plants in a "CONTROLLED" environment meaning everything is the same. The company doing it would have to be unbiased and have no support or endorsement from any nutrient line. All the company has to do is measure all nutrients as the label instructs. All the plants have to be grown in the same hydroponic systems & soil with the same amount of light and so on.

What could you not learn from a book like that? especially if you trusted the growers that executed the plan correctly. Why would you tell somebody that it shouldn't be done??

We are only relying on the information of other growers and noobs on these forums. High times is just a advertisement with good pictures from around the world and Cervantes is just a good Bible. Nobody out there has unbiased information on the expensive nutrients. So far in our age of growing it is all a marketing scheme. Wait ten years and I bet somebody will publish what the truth is.

Im finding out my own unbiased information for myself. I have seen the difference between General Hydro, Dyna Grow, Botanicare and H&G with my growing style. H&G is impressive but I do not have the pictures and logs to coordinate into a book to make people believe that H&G is impressive (even though I mix that line with GH).

 

[dukethompson]

Do you think using top shooter later in flowering would give better results with less foxtailing? I definitely agree that it is a frequent issue caused by the product. I also believe that I've never seen a plant dump more frost is the final weeks than if H&G is used correctly.

It very well may because they list the product for use the last 3+ weeks of flower, but I think it is due to timing of the last budding cycle. I have never used it with anything but Blue Dream which is known for foxy buds. I have Girl Scout Cookie (Forum Cut) and Grape Ape that I might try it on as well and see if it is any different with more indica dominant strains.

 

[Sativied]

(even though I mix that line with GH).

Wait ten years and I bet somebody will publish what the truth is.

The information is really all out there, many many reliable books on nutrient uptake. Just need to open your eyes and as per the quote in my sig, learn what makes a plant tick. There's no point in writing a book about cannabis specific nutrients, as there's no such thing. Cannabis needs the same essential elements as other plants, the ratio differs per strain/pheno/plant and none of the nutrient manufacturers offers a ratio that fits all plants.

Since the ufo comparison didn't work: what you are suggesting is similar to suggesting a book about anti-aging skin cream. The truth is it's all bullshit.

To demonstrate that an element is essential requires that plants be grown under experimental conditions in which only the element under investigation is absent. Such conditions are extremely difficult to achieve with plants grown in a complex medium such as soil. In the nineteenth century, several researchers [...] approached this problem by growing plants with their roots immersed in a nutrient solution containing only inorganic salts. Their demonstration that plants could grow normally with no soil or organic matter proved unequivocally that plants can fulfill all their needs from only inorganic elements, water, and sunlight. [that's what a plant is, a chemical food factory, it does not eat or need vitamins and sugars, just the essential elements which make the useful contents in cannabis specific nutrients worth less than the bottle and label].

http://www.tankonyvtar.hu/hu/tartalom/tamop425/0010_1A_Book_angol_01_novenyelettan/ch02s02.html

 

[Scroga]

I added it last week or 2 of an original amnesia... from what I can tell the bud has become more spongier and less rock...

 

[youknowthekid!]

It very well may because they list the product for use the last 3+ weeks of flower, but I think it is due to timing of the last budding cycle. I have never used it with anything but Blue Dream which is known for foxy buds. I have Girl Scout Cookie (Forum Cut) and Grape Ape that I might try it on as well and see if it is any different with more indica dominant strains.

Please keep us posted, it'll be valuable info. I can say that I had a heavy indica tail out more than I wanted; I did however incorporate shooter a week too early so that may have been the cause.

 

[moreherb]

Your just being a bummer because you cannot imagine it.. Open your mind.

Some nutrients are advertised and marketed for cannabis. A plant may not need the whole back shelf at the hydroponic store but it is still sold and marketed to cannabis growers who are pouring their money into everything that sounds like a good idea.

I never said there was a cannabis specific nutrient... Maybe Canna. Now I said it.

Im am not going to ask why all these companies are doing this because they have no obligation to answer back to me. I would rater read a book that discredits what you do not need.

Like I said just choose 2 well known strains and justify what nutrient combinations work best or at all. That would make a good reference book. I would pay about $5 for a book like that, nothing serious. Im not saying I would be the one to do this, I just think if it was done correctly than somebody with an open mind can benefit from it.

 

[Operative]

Ok guys so I have a friend who does a good amount of growing for dispensaries and is pretty familiar with H&G and he gave me a flowering recipe for a mixture that calls for no A&B just a good amount of Bud-XL, Top Booster, Amino, Multi-zen. I looked over the npk's and mixed it up and it came out to around 700 ppm on my hanna combo meter. I tried to figure out approximate npk after mixing but couldn't it doesn't seem to be unbalanced and does seem slightly more pk focused. anyways I have been following feeding chart on the H&G site and it is working well but I do seem to have what I believe is a Phosphorus def. Some leaves just fall off with just a slight amount of damage to them nothing that should make them fall off. So I was looking for a fix and my friend gave me a recipe that he uses for flowering over time with his experience with H&G it just those nutes from them and seems more balanced and with less N then the regular schedule. I don't want to list actual recipe but any opinions on just using these items in flowering? Since Obviously A&B seems more veg then flowering. I went ahead and used his recipe on my girls which are in soil and were following the site schedule. So I'm just hoping it's not gonna do anything bad to them really. Any insight from any other H&G experts?

 

[budman111]

no A&B just a good amount of Bud-XL, Top Booster, Amino, Multi-zen.

So you are saying plants don't need the 16 essential elements in base A&B, just feed 3 (questionable) supplements!?!? Really!?!?!