The Homogenization Of Cannabis...

captiankush

captiankush

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Has anyone else started to worry about cannabis strains becoming so inter bred that it creates one boring strain?

A good example is DNA. I have grown out several of there strains and find them all too similar to really call different strains, really. They grew the same, looked the same, and had the same potency/high.

I think as growers/breeders we should start to add backbone to our land race, pure strains. What I mean is that we should start preserving these land race strains in there original form instead of inter breeding everything.

Disagree, agree?



CK
 
turkish420

turkish420

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Im new to growin, but the first rule of genetics is, spread the genes around. . . I def agree with what you're saying, although I think the problem has more to do with how quickly the breeders are breeding. Instead of breeding this with that, or that with this, stabilize a good mix and try to refine it. BUT, it is a just a buisness for alot of companies and whats new, sells.
 
GrowingfortheGold

GrowingfortheGold

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turkish420 said:
Im new to growin, but the first rule of genetics is, spread the genes around. . . I def agree with what you're saying, although I think the problem has more to do with how quickly the breeders are breeding. Instead of breeding this with that, or that with this, stabilize a good mix and try to refine it. BUT, it is a just a buisness for alot of companies and whats new, sells.
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I agree. They should try and make existing strains better more than creating new strains.
 
turkish420

turkish420

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GrowingfortheGold said:
I agree. They should try and make existing strains better more than creating new strains.
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Breeding different strains together is only gonna improve the weed, (as long as its by experienced breeders) but just about everyone seems to be in a race to come out with the newest strains. Lots of good stuff out there but some of the breeders could focus more on improving than inventing. My opinion.
 
That 5hit

That 5hit

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captiankush said:
Has anyone else started to worry about cannabis strains becoming so inter bred that it creates one boring strain?

A good example is DNA. I have grown out several of there strains and find them all too similar to really call different strains, really. They grew the same, looked the same, and had the same potency/high.

I think as growers/breeders we should start to add backbone to our land race, pure strains. What I mean is that we should start preserving these land race strains in there original form instead of inter breeding everything.

Disagree, agree?



CK
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agree, untill i read the next post

turkish420 said:
Im new to growin, but the first rule of genetics is, spread the genes around. . . I def agree with what you're saying, although I think the problem has more to do with how quickly the breeders are breeding. Instead of breeding this with that, or that with this, stabilize a good mix and try to refine it. BUT, it is a just a buisness for alot of companies and whats new, sells.
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this makes a lot of sence, to bad this didn't apply to people,,, oh it does
 
That 5hit

That 5hit

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turkish420 said:
Breeding different strains together is only gonna improve the weed, (as long as its by experienced breeders) but just about everyone seems to be in a race to come out with the newest strains. Lots of good stuff out there but some of the breeders could focus more on improving than inventing. My opinion.
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yeah they need to focuss more on stablizing the strain so that they can sale seeds - imo if your not getting it buy clone you may be getting anything- stableity comes from generation of inbreeding
not just selfing and then sailing seeds
 
captiankush

captiankush

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I guess the thing I worry about most is losing the wonderful variety available. From taste to smell to smoke to yield, The cannabis plant has alot to offer. Some known breeders strains are extremely diverse, GH and Barney's are good examples of this, as are Sub/TGA. Other's...Not so much, DNA is a perfect example.

CK
 
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guitarabuser

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The primary reason that landrace genetics need to be preserved is to protect future generations. Norway opened the Svalbard Seed Vault a couple years ago in an attempt to preserve plant genetics that may become lost due to breeding or environmental factors. What would happen if a particular part of the genetic code, say resistance to a particular pest or disease was accidentally bred out of an entire species? It could become extinction through attempted improvement. Well, with the "un-fucked-with" genetics available, a breeder could reintroduce the stronger genetics back in. Pretty cool idea. I just wonder if the Norwegians bothered to put cannabis seeds in the bank.
 
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vasioplunk

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Breeders seek the perfect male, perfect female and go through hundreds if not thousands of seeds to find these “perfect matches” ( at least real breeders do) Just by doing that you are eliminating a lot of genetics. So maybe the question should be, should we only save those genetics that are viable for breeding or should we try to save land race genetics in general not just the best out of those genetics. The problem is for example, lets say bob has some seeds from Acapulco or panama, well bob is an American and is real cagey because hey Bob doesn’t want to spend 20 years in prison. Well what will happen to bobs panama red when bob dies. The only way to truly preserve the genetics is by seed vaults. Am sure most serious growers have some seed stock they treasure. I am all for IBL and preserving land races, but in all honesty it has to be a global effort.
There should be an effort to create an ”open source” patent for cannabis genetics. I have noticed a lot breeders want to become the next Monsanto. The only way to fight against this is to have breeders create a Public Genetic patent. So for example if I introduce new genetic code or insert a bacteria to create a signature for my strain I can file it under Public use kinda like a GPL for seeds and all strains that carry that signature fall under the public patent. We must protect cannabis from true evil. If we can start implanting genetic signatures and file under a public use patent, then spread that. It will be hard for Monsanto types to do exactly what you are talking about a Total homogenization of cannabis that falls under copy right.
 
captiankush

captiankush

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CrackerJax said:
I'm sorry but I would contend that there are far more strains today than at any point in history.
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I would agree with that. No argument.

More isn't always better. I would rather have say, 12 top notch strains that are stable then 120 medium strains that are unstable.

Not only that, but what this is really about is, for example, true, 100% acapulco gold, or real chocolate thai. How about some nice real old school south east asian sativas? The ones with the SUPER skinny leaves that are no where to be found now? I would love to see what those genetics would be like with modern nutrition and methods.

I have been to big plantations in Mex, back when I was in my teens. The plantations were in Michoacan and owned by my friends family. Huge trees, fat ass docky shlong colas...beautiful plants. I would love to see what I could do with those.

I know several amatuer breeders that have a huge collection of seeds. I have heard rumors of Barney's seed vault, supposedly he has 1000's of seeds stored away.

CK
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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well since man is choosing which plants breed with what and the natural selection isn't really going on I would say that there's nothing to worry about. Also since the plants are grown indoors and outdoors in all sorts of different environments plants from the same genes will vary from one place to another.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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captiankush said:
I would agree with that. No argument.

More isn't always better. I would rather have say, 12 top notch strains that are stable then 120 medium strains that are unstable.

Not only that, but what this is really about is, for example, true, 100% acapulco gold, or real chocolate thai. How about some nice real old school south east asian sativas? The ones with the SUPER skinny leaves that are no where to be found now? I would love to see what those genetics would be like with modern nutrition and methods.

I have been to big plantations in Mex, back when I was in my teens. The plantations were in Michoacan and owned by my friends family. Huge trees, fat ass docky shlong colas...beautiful plants. I would love to see what I could do with those.

I know several amatuer breeders that have a huge collection of seeds. I have heard rumors of Barney's seed vault, supposedly he has 1000's of seeds stored away.

CK
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All the old strains are still out there. No worries there...but some have been improved
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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I think the seed companies offer what sells the most. Land race strains are available....Maui Waui is still out there as is Jamaican red. The THC levels are low compared to the hybrids though....which is to be expected.

Mandala seeds offers an African mix batch which are all land race plants.
 
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