The big LED question...

Lordhooha

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I am one of the few that don't think any one light is truly better than the other. Because light is key there are so many ppl on here that tout about there light source is the best however when you see their plants I'm just like " wow your arguing lights and that's what your plants look like". Some folks should focus more on getting their grow in order before arguing lights and nutrients.
 

theslipperbandit

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Patience? u realise how my noobs ask the same fucking question over n over n they don't do any research before investing in all that gear n expect pounds...I've lost count the amount of times I've diagnosed a plant for some noob which is usually calmag def in flowering or N def in veg lol
 

theslipperbandit

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I am one of the few that don't think any one light is truly better than the other. Because light is key there are so many ppl on here that tout about there light source is the best however when you see their plants I'm just like " wow your arguing lights and that's what your plants look like". Some folks should focus more on getting their grow in order before arguing lights and nutrients.
It's a grow forum..that's kinda the idea.the feed of information bro
 

Yodaweed

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I am one of the few that don't think any one light is truly better than the other. Because light is key there are so many ppl on here that tout about there light source is the best however when you see their plants I'm just like " wow your arguing lights and that's what your plants look like". Some folks should focus more on getting their grow in order before arguing lights and nutrients.
Damn right , genetics and grower skill is the main factor in quality.
 

iHearAll

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they're new people over and over again you master grower you. why cant you log off and ignore if you're too almighty to answer questions. many people get bombarded with 100 different methods of cultivation and get told to "do it this way" by everyone.

how'd you learn to grow? did you just read the textbook of cannabis cultivation? did you jump in giving it the best you could and sought after help when something went bad?
BET he still has a magnetic ballast lol
wouldnt a magnetic ballast run at almost a 100% power transfer? is a magnetic ballast being a trasnformer using impedence and reactance?
 

theslipperbandit

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It's a grow forum..that's kinda the idea.the feed of information bro
And anyways that pdf I posted kinda proves cobs are better lol and correction on N earlier point it's 1% decrease in 1 yr so super efficient n 204w will cover my 3x3 n I might flower then in there aswell to get a good idea but ill have to find the clone then
 

theslipperbandit

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they're new people over and over again you master grower you. why cant you log off and ignore if you're too almighty to answer questions. many people get bombarded with 100 different methods of cultivation and get told to "do it this way" by everyone.

how'd you learn to grow? did you just read the textbook of cannabis cultivation? did you jump in giving it the best you could and sought after help when something went bad?

wouldnt a magnetic ballast run at almost a 100% power transfer? is a magnetic ballast being a trasnformer using impedence and reactance?
I'll take the security features over em any day n the heats intimidating n the big ol bang as she starts
 

Lordhooha

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they're new people over and over again you master grower you. why cant you log off and ignore if you're too almighty to answer questions. many people get bombarded with 100 different methods of cultivation and get told to "do it this way" by everyone.

how'd you learn to grow? did you just read the textbook of cannabis cultivation? did you jump in giving it the best you could and sought after help when something went bad?

wouldnt a magnetic ballast run at almost a 100% power transfer? is a magnetic ballast being a trasnformer using impedence and reactance?
Yes I did I read books and researched when I had problems. I'm saying ppl are always bitching about lights when they should read and research. In this day and age we have unlimited information at the tips of our fingers but ppl are simply too lazy to research and learn before asking the same question over and over.
 

iHearAll

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i have two that i made recently. one is 4ct full spectrum epistars from ebay for 9$ so what the heck. ill change them later or just make another light. these lights are really cheap to make.

the other is a spectrum range of blue and a spectrum range of red. they are powered separately on one panel like your basic commercial monos.

i did not use the 2-3$ monos, they are pretty nice IMO 14-45$ chips.


To find the voltage here you need to kind of play around with the characteristic curve of the I and V chart for the particular LED but in basic if you have a 30-35v @ 3-3.5a LED then you should do ohms law to find the resistance at one of the minimum or maximum given. so i go with minimum 30/3=10 Ohms characteristic of one LED while it is on. It'd be something toward infinity when it is off. This is clarified by how semiconductors transition from 0 to infinity ohms at the rate of epsilon (verify).

ok so i now have 10 ohms but only 30v. i want to have 120v capable so i get 4 in series which would be 30volts*4=120v @3 amps. the resistance will add up in series but inversely if you are adding in parallel. so there will be 40 Ohm load desired.

well if i plug up a rectified wall outlet to four LEDs they'll see a peak voltage of 170v ever 60th of a second and burn out fairly quick. theyll try to push about 8 amps through them actually

so whats going to happen here is the AC is 60hz and if i place an 250vAC (or greater for safety) capacitor in series with the rest of my desired circuit, the AC going across the capacitor will make it appear as a resistor by the formula X=1/(2*(pi)*(frequency)*(capacitance in whole Farads)). X is capacitive reactance in Ohms. so by kirchoff's loop law i know that if i had 120VRMS and placed a low value resistance in series with my load then the load must be SOMEWHERE lower than 120 volts. But this is in AC still so i rectify it and get some voltage lower than 120v.

lets say i have a 300 microfarad capacitor available. that is .0003 Farards.
if i plug into my formula above i get out 8.84 ohms.

this looks like it is in series with my 40 ohm resistive load. i add 8.84 to 40 and get 48.8ohm total circuit impedance. 120*(40/48.8)=98.4 volts across the LEDs. well that'd make sense if my LEDs were still a 40ohm load but the voltage just dropped on them to around 100v between 4 LEDs. ok theyre now only powered to 25v each. but that wouldnt be a guaranteed true number either. so all i leave with is confidence that i am in a safe range of power at a nominal amount of light. i just measure the voltage across it and current through it to determine what i am actually at and the math is always pretty easy.

the capacitors are really cheap and so is the fuse and rectifier. i spend about 10-15$ on a ballast

i used 120v chines capacitors to bump up my capacitance and get more power and they suck. they kinda boiled internally. the 250vac work like a champ and stay completely cool. so i ordered some 450vac capacitors to simplify each circuit to only one capacitor.

ill use the others i take off for either some ebay money or some science stuff.
 

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theslipperbandit

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i have two that i made recently. one is 4ct full spectrum epistars from ebay for 9$ so what the heck. ill change them later or just make another light. these lights are really cheap to make.

the other is a spectrum range of blue and a spectrum range of red. they are powered separately on one panel like your basic commercial monos.

i did not use the 2-3$ monos, they are pretty nice IMO 14-45$ chips.


To find the voltage here you need to kind of play around with the characteristic curve of the I and V chart for the particular LED but in basic if you have a 30-35v @ 3-3.5a LED then you should do ohms law to find the resistance at one of the minimum or maximum given. so i go with minimum 30/3=10 Ohms characteristic of one LED while it is on. It'd be something toward infinity when it is off. This is clarified by how semiconductors transition from 0 to infinity ohms at the rate of epsilon (verify).

ok so i now have 10 ohms but only 30v. i want to have 120v capable so i get 4 in series which would be 30volts*4=120v @3 amps. the resistance will add up in series but inversely if you are adding in parallel. so there will be 40 Ohm load desired.

well if i plug up a rectified wall outlet to four LEDs they'll see a peak voltage of 170v ever 60th of a second and burn out fairly quick. theyll try to push about 8 amps through them actually

so whats going to happen here is the AC is 60hz and if i place an 250vAC (or greater for safety) capacitor in series with the rest of my desired circuit, the AC going across the capacitor will make it appear as a resistor by the formula X=1/(2*(pi)*(frequency)*(capacitance in whole Farads)). X is capacitive reactance in Ohms. so by kirchoff's loop law i know that if i had 120VRMS and placed a low value resistance in series with my load then the load must be SOMEWHERE lower than 120 volts. But this is in AC still so i rectify it and get some voltage lower than 120v.

lets say i have a 300 microfarad capacitor available. that is .0003 Farards.
if i plug into my formula above i get out 8.84 ohms.

this looks like it is in series with my 40 ohm resistive load. i add 8.84 to 40 and get 48.8ohm total circuit impedance. 120*(40/48.8)=98.4 volts across the LEDs. well that'd make sense if my LEDs were still a 40ohm load but the voltage just dropped on them to around 100v between 4 LEDs. ok theyre now only powered to 25v each. but that wouldnt be a guaranteed true number either. so all i leave with is confidence that i am in a safe range of power at a nominal amount of light. i just measure the voltage across it and current through it to determine what i am actually at and the math is always pretty easy.

the capacitors are really cheap and so is the fuse and rectifier. i spend about 10-15$ on a ballast

i used 120v chines capacitors to bump up my capacitance and get more power and they suck. they kinda boiled internally. the 250vac work like a champ and stay completely cool. so i ordered some 450vac capacitors to simplify each circuit to only one capacitor.

ill use the others i take off for either some ebay money or some science stuff.
Sweet if u had some solar panels thatd charge reserve cells then sends a command to switch to said sells then another to click back to primary power
 

iHearAll

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Sweet if u had some solar panels thatd charge reserve cells then sends a command to switch to said sells then another to click back to primary power
yea that'd be sick. im looking into solar but idk how long ill live in this particular place. just renting right now. i stepped on my one solar panel while moving two month ago. never got to use it.

i havent run any numbers on it. it'd be low since it's monochromatic. only flowered once with them. previously i could just grow outside.

buds came out shockingly nice!
 
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