The 99%- occupy movement- lacking focus and organisation!

ChronicClouds · Nov 9, 2011

Thanks Joey, I could definitely agree with everything you said. I don't have TV anymore so they can't brainwash me as easily LOL.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”
Joseph Goebbels

ChronicClouds · Nov 9, 2011

Gastanker said:
Wrong because you say so? I want numbers - how much are the top 1% really making? But more importantly where are you getting YOUR numbers?

If you have never traveled to a third world country then don't complain that you don't have enough money - and by the same virtue you better not complain when people have much more than you.

The internet is not a right, neither is youtube, or your computer, or phone, or AC/Heat, car, cable, television... You are extremely lucky for being a poor American that happens to have MUCH MUCH more than many many others. And guess how poor Americans have so much? Because people like Bill gates worked his ass off to bring in billions of dollars of foreign money to pay for your chilrens schools, your roads, your social security...

Its the rich that afford us poor the extravagant lives we live - just don't ever forget how extravagant a poor American's life is. And if you have no clue you need to travel and open your mind.

Btw - I'm poor. I accept no handouts and I make less than 20k a year, and I'm thankful.

We're fortunate because at one point this really was a great nation full of wealth and true pride, NOT SOME RICH GUY SHOWING SOME LOVE AND SPREADING SOME OF HIS WEALTH. BEFORE THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND BEFORE INCOME TAX! WE GREW AT A RATE OF OVER 10% a YEAR economically, These days any nation is considered great at 2.5%......
Learn the truth and not the dis-info or propaganda they feed everyone on a daily basis.

joey555 · Nov 9, 2011

Gastanker said:
Wrong because you say so? I want numbers - how much are the top 1% really making? But more importantly where are you getting YOUR numbers?

If you have never traveled to a third world country then don't complain that you don't have enough money - and by the same virtue you better not complain when people have much more than you.

The internet is not a right, neither is youtube, or your computer, or phone, or AC/Heat, car, cable, television... You are extremely lucky for being a poor American that happens to have MUCH MUCH more than many many others. And guess how poor Americans have so much? Because people like Bill gates worked his ass off to bring in billions of dollars of foreign money to pay for your chilrens schools, your roads, your social security...

Its the rich that afford us poor the extravagant lives we live - just don't ever forget how extravagant a poor American's life is. And if you have no clue you need to travel and open your mind.

Btw - I'm poor. I accept no handouts and I make less than 20k a year, and I'm thankful.

listen i do have to go....check out >https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/425185-doggies-nuts-armeggedon-more-money-2383.html#post6598271
if u don't believe me i said it earlier. i should have left already.

u want an intellectual vietnam w/ me? FINE! when i return i will take apart ur premise piece by piece. i will also explain how u exaggerate, and make false claims. i.e. not complaining just offering advice and a true patriot will be critical when evaluating their government.

our NATION IS WHAT IT IS B/C of our government's involvment around the world-see u probally never took a course in strategic intelligence nor foriegn affairs. this really sucks b/c when i do return i will be getting into an intellectual exercise of futility.
it's not just Corparations....oh, and i guess Bill Gates (who stole ideas, even Jobs had no respect for him w/ regard to BIll being an inventor) is a struggling small business owner....is he a 1% person? yes is it wrong= NO.
Thats why if u check the post back further u will see I WROTE~~~~~~U CANNOT ***JUST*** BLAME WALLSTREET. learn to read carefully, if u ever wanna take the LSATS- U WILL NEED TO LEARN LOGIC.

Gastanker · Nov 9, 2011

ChronicClouds said:
We're fortunate because at one point this really was a great nation full of wealth and true pride, NOT SOME RICH GUY SHOWING SOME LOVE AND SPREADING SOME OF HIS WEALTH. BEFORE THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND BEFORE INCOME TAX! WE GREW AT A RATE OF OVER 10% a YEAR economically, These days any nation is considered great at 2.5%......
Learn the truth and not the dis-info or propaganda they feed everyone on a daily basis.

Where did you get this information? Can I please see a source?

I like this:
<quote> hahahhaaaa........................................ ..........that is SO SAD AND SOOOOO WRONG, i don't care if the CBO or OMB put those numbers out we all know the truth of the value of the dollar, adjusted for inflation, has decreased purchasing power. those numbers are waaaaaay off. </quote>

Pretty sure that 30 years ago if you made $30k a year you wouldn't be able to afford a large screen TV, a mobile phone, high speed internet, a computer? Rofl... American's are spending an all time low of their income on food and shelter, they have way more fancy gadgets, a much easier more convenient life, and you're claiming that purchasing power is dropping?

It is true that incomes have not increased at the same rate as inflation, but purchasing power has actually increased - crazy huh? Compare what was included in the stadard of living 30 years ago to what is included now - it's astonishing how many luxury items are considered standard now a days.

joey555 · Nov 9, 2011

ChronicClouds said:
We're fortunate because at one point this really was a great nation full of wealth and true pride, NOT SOME RICH GUY SHOWING SOME LOVE AND SPREADING SOME OF HIS WEALTH. BEFORE THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND BEFORE INCOME TAX! WE GREW AT A RATE OF OVER 10% a YEAR economically, These days any nation is considered great at 2.5%......
Learn the truth and not the dis-info or propaganda they feed everyone on a daily basis.

UR RIGHT AND IN A GOLDMANSACH'S MEMO- it states something to the effect that they want to mainatain an oligarchy, RE: MOORE'S "CAPITALISM a LOVE STORY"
but itwas also on the news too.

joey555 · Nov 9, 2011

Gastanker said:
Where did you get this information? Can I please see a source?

I like this:
<quote> hahahhaaaa........................................ ..........that is SO SAD AND SOOOOO WRONG, i don't care if the CBO or OMB put those numbers out we all know the truth of the value of the dollar, adjusted for inflation, has decreased purchasing power. those numbers are waaaaaay off. </quote>

Pretty sure that 30 years ago if you made $30k a year you wouldn't be able to afford a large screen TV, a mobile phone, high speed internet, a computer? Rofl... American's are spending an all time low of their income on food and shelter, they have way more fancy gadgets, a much easier more convenient life, and you're claiming that purchasing power is dropping?

It is true that incomes have not increased at the same rate as inflation, but purchasing power has actually increased - crazy huh? Compare what was included in the stadard of living 30 years ago to what is included now - it's astonishing how many luxury items are considered standard now a days.

they didn't exsist, and in the 1950's that was the most prosperous era.
it's called in economics 101= the propensity to consume. also moore's law w/ regard to technology.

now i gotta go......u can expalin to Chronic. ur jumping all over. when i return we will clearly define our words and go premise for premise. just b/c something is valid does NOT make it sound!

ur probally saying that doesn't make sense- i will expalin when i return.
best wishes..............................................................................................joey.
good luck Chronic...LOL

Gastanker · Nov 9, 2011

joey555 said:
u want an intellectual vietnam w/ me? FINE!

if u ever wanna take the LSATS- U WILL NEED TO LEARN LOGIC.

I do not ever want to take the LSATS. Nice strawman.

My preferred troll tool:

NoDrama · Nov 9, 2011

Gastanker said:
Where did you get this information? Can I please see a source?

I like this:
<quote> hahahhaaaa........................................ ..........that is SO SAD AND SOOOOO WRONG, i don't care if the CBO or OMB put those numbers out we all know the truth of the value of the dollar, adjusted for inflation, has decreased purchasing power. those numbers are waaaaaay off. </quote>

Pretty sure that 30 years ago if you made $30k a year you wouldn't be able to afford a large screen TV, a mobile phone, high speed internet, a computer? Rofl... American's are spending an all time low of their income on food and shelter, they have way more fancy gadgets, a much easier more convenient life, and you're claiming that purchasing power is dropping?

It is true that incomes have not increased at the same rate as inflation, but purchasing power has actually increased - crazy huh? Compare what was included in the stadard of living 30 years ago to what is included now - it's astonishing how many luxury items are considered standard now a days.

Inflation = dollar devaluation. Inflation is not a separate metric totally removed from Inflation, they are THE SAME THING. If you have any inflation, then you are devaluing the dollar. Just thought I would make that clear.

Inflation is not rising prices, that is the Effect of inflation. Inflation is an increase in the money supply.

ChronicClouds · Nov 9, 2011

Yes that's why I say they cook the books on inflation. It's the devaluation of your dollar

Gastanker · Nov 9, 2011

joey555 said:
our NATION IS WHAT IT IS B/C of our government's involvment around the world-see u probally never took a course in strategic intelligence nor foriegn affairs. this really sucks b/c when i do return i will be getting into an intellectual exercise of futility.

Oh wait you like red herring as well. And a bit of poisoning the well? Yes you're a pro at logic and fallacies...

Gastanker · Nov 9, 2011

NoDrama said:
Inflation = dollar devaluation. Inflation is not a separate metric totally removed from Inflation, they are THE SAME THING. If you have any inflation, then you are devaluing the dollar. Just thought I would make that clear.

Inflation is not rising prices, that is the Effect of inflation. Inflation is an increase in the money supply.

That is what I was saying - there is more money now than there was before. We are still getting paid the same as we were before. This means income has not kept up with inflation.

Even so purchasing power (the effect of inflation as you put it) has not seen a negative effect - even with inflation we are still able to buy more than we were before.

To put it a different way - cost of living is dropping faster than inflation is rising.

dukeanthony · Nov 9, 2011

How is an increase in the money supply a bad thing without a corresponding rise in prices?

ChronicClouds · Nov 9, 2011

Gastanker said:
I do not ever want to take the LSATS. Nice strawman.

My preferred troll tool:

I'm not trolling just trying to help enlighten you and anyone else. I don't know what will happen but we've watched Greece fall and Now Italy too! They fell for billions in debt. America is Trillions in debt (not including derivatives, BAC alone 75+ trillion) in fact the most in debt in the WORLD! so I ask hmmmmm what could possibly happen?!

ChronicClouds · Nov 9, 2011

dukeanthony said:
How is an increase in the money supply a bad thing without a corresponding rise in prices?

Really?! That's what makes the price go up! It's like giving a kid 50 cents instead of a dollar because two is more than one right?

ChronicClouds · Nov 9, 2011

Gastanker said:
That is what I was saying - there is more money now than there was before. We are still getting paid the same as we were before. This means income has not kept up with inflation.

Even so purchasing power (the effect of inflation as you put it) has not seen a negative effect - even with inflation we are still able to buy more than we were before.

To put it a different way - cost of living is dropping faster than inflation is rising.

Wrong price goes up because your dollar is worth less, that's why it takes more dollars.

Gastanker · Nov 9, 2011

ChronicClouds said:
I'm not trolling just trying to help enlighten you and anyone else. I don't know what will happen but we've watched Greece fall and Now Italy too! They fell for billions in debt. America is Trillions in debt (not including derivatives, BAC alone 75+ trillion) in fact the most in debt in the WORLD! so I ask hmmmmm what could possibly happen?!

No doubt we are in a shitty shitty position. We really need to get out of debt and stimulate the market - but increasing taxes on corporations, small businesses, and anyone that makes more than $400k will just promote more businesses to leave. Greece failed due to government overspending - government overspending due to too much government involvement. Increasing our governments involvement would be following in their footsteps... If we wan't to get out of this we need to decrease the amount of government involvement.

ChronicClouds said:
Wrong price goes up because your dollar is worth less, that's why it takes more dollars.

Is an iphone more expensive now or a year ago? Were washing machines more expensive 20 years ago or now? Are we spending half as much now on food as we were 30 years ago? Nope, we spend only 1/4 the amount of income on food as we did 30 years ago...

ChronicClouds · Nov 9, 2011

It is called quantative easing. or QE1 or QE2 or QE3 (sound familiar). If you dont understand it's okay I didn't either at one point. Economics, business and history classes and countless books!

ChronicClouds · Nov 9, 2011

An Iphone cost less now because of the droid! also they have made the Iphone for less and less each time slowly shaving off unnecessary costs. They could have made too many too! Same reasons TV prices have gone down. They roll out the new model at the standard price and chip away at the price until the new model comes out again. It's why they have a last year model sale where you buy TVs every year at discounted prices and then two weeks later the new model is in and the price back up again. This same model applies to everything else. On a side note in 1 hour the feds will have their emergency broadcast take over (I think it's supposed to last an hour)

Gastanker · Nov 9, 2011

ChronicClouds said:
It is called quantative easing. or QE1 or QE2 or QE3 (sound familiar). If you dont understand it's okay I didn't either at one point. Economics, business and history classes and countless books!

Yes, I studied this in college. Why are you stating this?

dukeanthony · Nov 9, 2011

Retail pricing of iphone without contract is more now

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