TENNESSEE: status on laws???
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TreeOfLiberty
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The southern bible belt states will be the last areas in the US for legalization as well as even MMJ laws. I grew up in GA, the attitudes against marijuana by law enforcement, courts, and politicians are stronger in the southern states than any other region. Arkansas came close with their MMJ bill but still failed. The southern political gentry of old fashioned ,old line, good ol' boy southern baptist , southern establishment will resist marijuana laws being changed even resorting to unconstitutional and unethical tactics to preserve their "reefer madness ideology".
North Carolina lawmakers recently killed a MMJ bill in committee just because they were being "harassed" by their constituents over it.>
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2013/feb/21/north_carolina_medical_marijuana
THAT, will be pretty much the same attitude towards MMJ and legalization , be it in Tennessee or other states south of the Mason-Dixon line. Southern politicians will eventually accept it when the rest of states outside the south have all changed their laws allowing it. That North Carolina news story pisses me off. That particular North Carolina House Bill 84 was the best MMJ bill I've ever seen in what it allowed. In a lot of ways, it even exceeded what Colorado law allows. Colorado allows 6 plants and 2 ounces under the A20 MMJ bill and under the A64 recreational bill it's still only 6 plants but a 1 ounce limit. North Carolina's House Bill 84 allowed for a grow space up to 250 square feet and 24 ounces . There was no plant count limit in North Carolina's MMJ bill. House Bill 84 was a perpetual growers wet dream. In a few major ways, allowing more than even what Colorado allows.
State Rep. Jeanne Richardson (D-Memphis) is the main sponsor for House Bill 294, concerning MMJ. A news article quote by her >
"Richardson says most of her colleagues in the legislature support the idea of legalizing medical marijuana, although she admits that some believe it would be political suicide to vote in favor of the bill. She hopes to change their mind, and that the late-session momentum will persuade her colleagues to support medical marijuana when they return after their re-election campaigns in the fall."
http://www.thedailychronic.net/2012/10946/tennessee-medical-marijuana-bill-dies-after-hearing/
I looked up Tennessee's House Bill 294 in what it allowed. It said - Registered qualifying patients shall be allowed to possess a reasonable
amount of cannabis, not to exceed one months supply, as determined by their
practitioner.
I didn't read anything about what is considered a "reasonable amount" or anywhere that allowed for home cultivation. I know some people think any MMJ bill is better than none at all, but New Jersey's MMJ bill is the worst MMJ bill I've ever read, it allows for NO home cultivation and I hate to see Tennessee follow a super restrictive MMJ bill like that. Though a person could grow a stealth set up, maintain a medical registration as a cover for being allowed possession and use but would still be subject to arrest for cultivation if ever busted. It costs A LOT of money being dependent on the prices of dispensaries and being forbidden to grow your own.
From the Tennessee House Bill 294 >
There shall exist a presumption that a qualifying patient is engaged in the
medical use of cannabis if the qualifying patient:
(1) Is in possession of a safe access program identification card; and
(2) Is in possession of an amount of cannabis that does not exceed the
amount permitted under this part. Such presumption may be rebutted by
evidence that conduct related to cannabis was not for the purpose of alleviating
the qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated
with the medical condition.
I've read the entire bill, the only cultivation that is allowed is by a "licensed producer" which is overseen by the agriculture dept.
SECTION 7.
(a) A licensed producer registered under this section may possess, cultivate,
harvest, and deliver cannabis or related products to a licensed distributor. Licensed
producers shall be under the direct supervision of the agriculture department.
This wreaks of the same b.s. restrictions that New Jersey's bill has. North Carolina's MMJ bill that was trashed is like night and day compared to Tennessee's MMJ bill.
New Hampshire's Governor Maggie Hassan has said she would support a MMJ bill but is concerned about home growing.>
http://www.thedailychronic.net/2013/15732/home-cultivation-may-stall-new-hampshire-medical-marijuana-bill/
The New Hampshire bill being pushed for has a 16 plant limit. With the economy being in the dump and rising medical expenses , a MMJ bill that forces MMJ registrants to buy from a dispensary is insulting when they could grow their own and wouldn't have to pay the robbing dispensaries . Reefer madness still has a stranglehold on too many politicians. That above news article mentions a Maine MMJ registrant with cancer who's spending $400 per month. The recently failed North Carolina House Bill 84 should be the master template for what all MMJ advocates should strive for.
I think if the North Carolina MMJ bill would've been on the Nov. 2012 voting ballot in NC , it might've narrowly passed. MMJ bills have a greater chance of passing in a presidential election year than off years because the younger voters come out. I predict that between now and the fall of 2016, more states will have passed MMJ and I think we will also see a couple more states pass recreational legalization bills further increasing the pressure of overall legalization by the time of voting in 2016, if the US hasn't had an economic crash by then.
North Carolina lawmakers recently killed a MMJ bill in committee just because they were being "harassed" by their constituents over it.>
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2013/feb/21/north_carolina_medical_marijuana
THAT, will be pretty much the same attitude towards MMJ and legalization , be it in Tennessee or other states south of the Mason-Dixon line. Southern politicians will eventually accept it when the rest of states outside the south have all changed their laws allowing it. That North Carolina news story pisses me off. That particular North Carolina House Bill 84 was the best MMJ bill I've ever seen in what it allowed. In a lot of ways, it even exceeded what Colorado law allows. Colorado allows 6 plants and 2 ounces under the A20 MMJ bill and under the A64 recreational bill it's still only 6 plants but a 1 ounce limit. North Carolina's House Bill 84 allowed for a grow space up to 250 square feet and 24 ounces . There was no plant count limit in North Carolina's MMJ bill. House Bill 84 was a perpetual growers wet dream. In a few major ways, allowing more than even what Colorado allows.
State Rep. Jeanne Richardson (D-Memphis) is the main sponsor for House Bill 294, concerning MMJ. A news article quote by her >
"Richardson says most of her colleagues in the legislature support the idea of legalizing medical marijuana, although she admits that some believe it would be political suicide to vote in favor of the bill. She hopes to change their mind, and that the late-session momentum will persuade her colleagues to support medical marijuana when they return after their re-election campaigns in the fall."
http://www.thedailychronic.net/2012/10946/tennessee-medical-marijuana-bill-dies-after-hearing/
I looked up Tennessee's House Bill 294 in what it allowed. It said - Registered qualifying patients shall be allowed to possess a reasonable
amount of cannabis, not to exceed one months supply, as determined by their
practitioner.
I didn't read anything about what is considered a "reasonable amount" or anywhere that allowed for home cultivation. I know some people think any MMJ bill is better than none at all, but New Jersey's MMJ bill is the worst MMJ bill I've ever read, it allows for NO home cultivation and I hate to see Tennessee follow a super restrictive MMJ bill like that. Though a person could grow a stealth set up, maintain a medical registration as a cover for being allowed possession and use but would still be subject to arrest for cultivation if ever busted. It costs A LOT of money being dependent on the prices of dispensaries and being forbidden to grow your own.
From the Tennessee House Bill 294 >
There shall exist a presumption that a qualifying patient is engaged in the
medical use of cannabis if the qualifying patient:
(1) Is in possession of a safe access program identification card; and
(2) Is in possession of an amount of cannabis that does not exceed the
amount permitted under this part. Such presumption may be rebutted by
evidence that conduct related to cannabis was not for the purpose of alleviating
the qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated
with the medical condition.
I've read the entire bill, the only cultivation that is allowed is by a "licensed producer" which is overseen by the agriculture dept.
SECTION 7.
(a) A licensed producer registered under this section may possess, cultivate,
harvest, and deliver cannabis or related products to a licensed distributor. Licensed
producers shall be under the direct supervision of the agriculture department.
This wreaks of the same b.s. restrictions that New Jersey's bill has. North Carolina's MMJ bill that was trashed is like night and day compared to Tennessee's MMJ bill.
New Hampshire's Governor Maggie Hassan has said she would support a MMJ bill but is concerned about home growing.>
http://www.thedailychronic.net/2013/15732/home-cultivation-may-stall-new-hampshire-medical-marijuana-bill/
The New Hampshire bill being pushed for has a 16 plant limit. With the economy being in the dump and rising medical expenses , a MMJ bill that forces MMJ registrants to buy from a dispensary is insulting when they could grow their own and wouldn't have to pay the robbing dispensaries . Reefer madness still has a stranglehold on too many politicians. That above news article mentions a Maine MMJ registrant with cancer who's spending $400 per month. The recently failed North Carolina House Bill 84 should be the master template for what all MMJ advocates should strive for.
I think if the North Carolina MMJ bill would've been on the Nov. 2012 voting ballot in NC , it might've narrowly passed. MMJ bills have a greater chance of passing in a presidential election year than off years because the younger voters come out. I predict that between now and the fall of 2016, more states will have passed MMJ and I think we will also see a couple more states pass recreational legalization bills further increasing the pressure of overall legalization by the time of voting in 2016, if the US hasn't had an economic crash by then.
SeedHo
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i will have to agree it`ll `16 before anymore get passed. but i still think nc will be the 1st of the southern states. this whole teaparty thing has tossed a monkey wrench into any mmj passing for a while in the south. ark, miss., ala., tn, ky all had bills ready good or bad they had them but were quickly pushed to the side because of the current political climate. really i don`t care for any mmj law, i think in a free country you should be free enough for the people to make their own choices. fla may throw me a curve and go for the tourist dollars but that will depend on how co. and wa. do with their current laws and money gathered from it.
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Great Lemon Skunk
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got pulled over the other day had some weed on me when they searched me it was like 2g or so and they told me just put it back in my pocket itll be legal in the next five years it was around knoxville area
MonkeyGrinder
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The thing is with TN is that the court systems here are extremely clannish from county to county. In some places you'll get a slap on the wrist and in others they'll throw the book at you. It also depends on the officer as well and probably if he/she has had a slow day. Take this for example. A couple years ago I had a very small stay in the pokey. My bunk mate in the POD was in there for cultivation. Doing 3 months via plea bargain for 15 he had indoors and got popped. But that county in particular is well known to stick anything they possibly can to you just to have that revenue flowing in. It's quite disgusting actually and I've known quite a few people who were honestly railroaded to hell and back there. The judges and the DA there are complete douche bags.
Now fast forward to a few weeks later I'm in circuit court with a buddy of mine in an adjacent county. Now this place is absolutely nuts. They should honestly sell tickets to the circuit court dates. The DA is just an asshole in a suit. But the judge is something strait out of a cartoon. This guy's personality and actions are like Larrity from that old G4 cartoon series Code Monkeys. I shit you not I think the writers must have been thrown in the drunk tank there or something and it inspired them. Voice, look, talk, dress, attitude. Everything.
Now my friend and I are sitting there waiting for his turn and there was some guy in there that got popped for the same thing. The judge is up there cracking jokes and orchestrating the circus. The guy mentions that he's going to start school next quarter majoring in business. Judge looks at him and said Well if this is the business you plan on getting into I suggest you do it out in California and not here in *blank* county. I'm just dismissing this. Nothing at all happened after. No fines. Nothing. But by god if you're doing 2MPH over the speed limit there you're looking at being beheaded.
I highly doubt MJ will ever become legal in TN though. They simply pull in too much revenue from pain clinics popping up everywhere. There are people who go there for legit needs yes. But then you have the people who go there to doc shop. The people who get popped for possession of pills. The countless people who get popped with petty thievery of anything they can get their hands on to support their pill habits. People selling them.
On top of that there's also been a returning spike of Meth and all the problems that go along with it.
Our favorite girl Mary is more or less thrown into the mix there as part of the pie of evil life destroying, brain rotting drugs.
Now do the senators and all those people know the difference. Yes they do. Are they going to change anything. Probably not. They just see it as another small source of revenue that will flow right into the state as long as it stays illegal. That's what counts.
There's also little to no way they could control or keep tabs on it as far as being grown. There's simply too much land here where it can be thrown. In the larger cities it could be somewhat looked at but there's no way in hell they could keep up with it in rural areas.
I'd gladly pay for a card to be able to smoke and grow. I'd even pay a yearly tax, fee or whatever else they'd throw my way if it came to it. The only time I smoke is when I'm having an insomnia fit and I've been up 24+ hours, getting a half hour "powernap" then snap back into the world to run on autopilot. I've been thrown on several sleep meds. Did that for a good 6 months. Developed a tolerance to them quickly then have to shift to something else. It went on through 3 different meds before I said screw it.
MJ was an option but couldn't smoke due to work related drug tests. Said screw it one day and smoked some indoor White Rhino with a buddy of mine. 20 minutes later I was relaxed as can be. My thoughts weren't racing but narrowed and focused. Then I slid right on into dreamland. I was out minutes after my head hit the pillow.
Give me a nice Indica dom hybrid strain with a lot of amber though. Toss a nug it in a bowl. Fire it up and it's sleep time. I'm loving THC Bomb for this. 2 girls in particular I left to flower until mostly amber. That jar's nothing to play around with lol. I'd much rather smoke than have to take meds for my issues. Not to mention the only side effects are usually empty poptart packages or something.
Now fast forward to a few weeks later I'm in circuit court with a buddy of mine in an adjacent county. Now this place is absolutely nuts. They should honestly sell tickets to the circuit court dates. The DA is just an asshole in a suit. But the judge is something strait out of a cartoon. This guy's personality and actions are like Larrity from that old G4 cartoon series Code Monkeys. I shit you not I think the writers must have been thrown in the drunk tank there or something and it inspired them. Voice, look, talk, dress, attitude. Everything.
Now my friend and I are sitting there waiting for his turn and there was some guy in there that got popped for the same thing. The judge is up there cracking jokes and orchestrating the circus. The guy mentions that he's going to start school next quarter majoring in business. Judge looks at him and said Well if this is the business you plan on getting into I suggest you do it out in California and not here in *blank* county. I'm just dismissing this. Nothing at all happened after. No fines. Nothing. But by god if you're doing 2MPH over the speed limit there you're looking at being beheaded.
I highly doubt MJ will ever become legal in TN though. They simply pull in too much revenue from pain clinics popping up everywhere. There are people who go there for legit needs yes. But then you have the people who go there to doc shop. The people who get popped for possession of pills. The countless people who get popped with petty thievery of anything they can get their hands on to support their pill habits. People selling them.
On top of that there's also been a returning spike of Meth and all the problems that go along with it.
Our favorite girl Mary is more or less thrown into the mix there as part of the pie of evil life destroying, brain rotting drugs.
Now do the senators and all those people know the difference. Yes they do. Are they going to change anything. Probably not. They just see it as another small source of revenue that will flow right into the state as long as it stays illegal. That's what counts.
There's also little to no way they could control or keep tabs on it as far as being grown. There's simply too much land here where it can be thrown. In the larger cities it could be somewhat looked at but there's no way in hell they could keep up with it in rural areas.
I'd gladly pay for a card to be able to smoke and grow. I'd even pay a yearly tax, fee or whatever else they'd throw my way if it came to it. The only time I smoke is when I'm having an insomnia fit and I've been up 24+ hours, getting a half hour "powernap" then snap back into the world to run on autopilot. I've been thrown on several sleep meds. Did that for a good 6 months. Developed a tolerance to them quickly then have to shift to something else. It went on through 3 different meds before I said screw it.
MJ was an option but couldn't smoke due to work related drug tests. Said screw it one day and smoked some indoor White Rhino with a buddy of mine. 20 minutes later I was relaxed as can be. My thoughts weren't racing but narrowed and focused. Then I slid right on into dreamland. I was out minutes after my head hit the pillow.
Give me a nice Indica dom hybrid strain with a lot of amber though. Toss a nug it in a bowl. Fire it up and it's sleep time. I'm loving THC Bomb for this. 2 girls in particular I left to flower until mostly amber. That jar's nothing to play around with lol. I'd much rather smoke than have to take meds for my issues. Not to mention the only side effects are usually empty poptart packages or something.
Great Lemon Skunk
Well-Known Member
yea i agree it really depends on where you get caught cause a buddy of mine got busted just one county over for just haveing a roach. like why would the cops even bother with a roach???
pSi007
Active Member
In Nor-Cal, people would defend themselves if a bogus martial law was destroying the civil unions.
Great Lemon Skunk
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dude you lost me....
Great Lemon Skunk
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anyone got any new info about mmj in TN?
WalterWhite420
Active Member
I'm wondering myself. I live in TN as well, and am anxious to see progress here soon.
Great Lemon Skunk
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yeah me too sure hope we get some progress soon.
MoNoXiDe211
Member
we can only hope. I know wbir ran a poll on their website, should TN legalize MJ. it was like high 70% that said yes. So my question is, why does the people of Tennessee's vote not count? To me it should be the people not the politicians vote.
Great Lemon Skunk
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dang i didnt know bout that 70% thats nice and yea it should be the people not the politicians vote!!
imma let you know things haven't changed... it's such a dirty place. For 2 misdemeanor "exchanges" I got 3 felony charges on top of the 2 missy's. a raid, indicments, 21st birthday in jail, and now a year later almost still haven't made it to my sentencing. No entrapment laws either. Their C.I. had me leave a college campus, that isn't recognized as a school zone, to go to a store that was near a church, which is somehow recognized as a school zone. Seperation of church and state? The church is the state. I LIVE IN THE FUCKING SMOKY MOUNTAINS! COME ON MAN!
SNEAKYp
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Yea I can attest to this, I got caught ON A SCHOOL CAMPUS (college) with 13 g and a few paraphernalia pieces in Davidson county, the only thing I recieved was a 4 hour class (which ended up being 3 hrs lol). After that and a small fine it was expunged. I've heard multiple stories from adjacent counties where people are seriously fucked over a blunt in the car. Just depends on how good your lawyer is and where your caught. Davidson county gives no fucks and all they want is money.
Great Lemon Skunk
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hell yeah man thats not bad.
MonkeyGrinder
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That sounds about right. Did the church double as a "private school" or something? Either that or it's also a facility for home school kids to gather for "class" while the church gets some sort of tax break.
It's absolutely fucking retarded though how they use CIs in this state. Never trust anyone outside of your immediate close social structure if you're into shady business. LEO pretty much instructs them to try and burn you as hard as possible.
Things to consider in TN. PAY ATTENTION to BUSTED! papers. Also as silly as it may sound pay attention to a website called topix. 9 out of 10 towns on there if you look them up have a thread or 2 dedicated to snitches.
Great Lemon Skunk
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well damn guys just got busted with 4 roaches a grinder an a scale the cop was cool he gave me a ticket an court date could have got me for intent to sell but he didnt he just took the scales. hopeing i dont get probation but most likely i will 
Great Lemon Skunk
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hey guys thought i would let yall know about this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/22/tennessee-marijuana_n_4645549.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/22/tennessee-marijuana_n_4645549.html