Super Buds/Fem seeds?

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Redeflect

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So here is the point... we've all speculated on how useful injecting corn syrup and molasses directly into the plant would be... But that's all questionable. My idea is a step above that.

If you grabbed the extract/juice from your male plants and injected it into the females you KNOW it contains all the useful types of sugars the female could use and would undoubtedly be beneficial. Does anyone disagree?

The other aspect of this is, would any hormones traced over cause a female to turn or become more inclined to turn hermaphrodite? If this is the case those seeds should undoubtedly be feminized. Does anyone disagree with this?

I figure this can either result in larger buds or a less chemically dangerous and easier way to try and create feminized seeds. Anyone feel free to add your input.
 
MEANGREEN69

MEANGREEN69

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i dont thinkyou whould get hermie seeds because ur useing extract/juice from your male....how do u plan on extracting the juice from the males???? and how do plan on feeding it to ur females,the roots filter out such things that are not food...MEANGREEN..
 
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Redeflect

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Hypodermic needles or injection through the stem of a leaf once the leaf is removed so you don't have to poke holes into the plant). Foliar feeding or absorption from leaf stems. There are multiple methods to get the actual extract into the plant.

As for getting it from the males... squeeze it out or mashing may work. You could also try a method such as an angled hole just like they do with maple trees to bleed it out. Also i've had times after harvest where i have left the plant mostly intact (just with absolutely no leaves) and the plant bleeds from its ends for a few days.

Some of the hormones from the male (not entirely sure which ones are present throughout the entire plant) might be able to persuade the female to go hermie, which if she pollinates herself should result in feminized seeds (since there are no male genetics involved in the seed). Of course, when it comes to humans, hermaphrodites in general are simply extra or missing chromosomes (There are multiple of such diseases depending on how the combination is... Down Syndrome is one of them in which a person has 3 sets instead of 2) which is why i never understood how stressing a female plant can make her go hermaphrodite anyway.
 
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hobogrower

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what are you talking about do you practice this needling the plant or is it all speculation of the baked cuz i'm sure injecting the plant would be mostly harmful and probably not at all helpful
 
Treeth

Treeth

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This is an absolutely insane idea... in the good way...

When you bleed, whats the consistency like? Is it sugary?
 
hellboundx06

hellboundx06

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I've got to admit I am only midway through my first grow, but if this method is true then I'm fucking blessed man. I can't wait to see where this thread is going.
 
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Redeflect

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It's already a proven method in multiple types of plants, particularly grains. The particular experiment I remember was that by injecting sucrose mixed with water at a ratio of approximately 300mg/L they were able to increase dry weight by 30%. I looked at a few other experiments with other plants and every one shows a positive result regardless of plant type. Plants are healthier and bud/grow more. The only downside is the plants are less green because the plant produces less chlorophyll since its sugar needs are being sufficiently met already by the injected sucrose. Personally, I'd say that is an added bonus. The buds may not look as dark green but it that's only because of less chlorophyll and that is what we want from curing anyway. Considering we want our plants to be healthier and yield higher, I'd say them looking a little pale is well worth the price.

This isn't a new concept, I've been looking into it for a long time and many other people have thought of it and put up posts on it as well. Just imagine a plant getting an IV like a person, they are healthier because their needs are being met intravenously. The situation is however, I personally haven't bothered and am not sure how to get pure sucrose. Table sugar won't work, maple syrup or molasses probably would... but why inject fake "blood" into the plant when you can give it pot "blood" since that is essentially what it is. Most of us just kill our males anyway, so why not use them to super-boost some of our most loved strains.

The hormone aspect of it would just be a consequence of the transfusion, if simple "stress" can make a plant hermi then I don't see why adding male hormones won't. Either we boost our buds or end up with hermaphrodites making feminized seeds.
 
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Redeflect

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I never really bothered to touch the actual sap (that's basically what it is, pot sap), I just know the pressure from the roots makes the plants bleed after they have been hacked to death. This pot "sap" is basically just a mix of the liquid already inside the stem's xylem and phloem. I'd say its mostly watery with only small amounts of sugar and nutrients, which is what you want when injecting sugars into plants(exactly what's already in them). Organic Maple Syrup and Molasses would have to be mixed with a decent amount of water and I don't think would work as well considering they probably have different types of sugars in them of no use to marijuana.

Just Google "inject sucrose into plants"
 
Mr.KushMan

Mr.KushMan

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Redeflect said:
It's already a proven method in multiple types of plants, particularly grains. The particular experiment I remember was that by injecting sucrose mixed with water at a ratio of approximately 300mg/L they were able to increase dry weight by 30%. I looked at a few other experiments with other plants and every one shows a positive result regardless of plant type. Plants are healthier and bud/grow more. The only downside is the plants are less green because the plant produces less chlorophyll since its sugar needs are being sufficiently met already by the injected sucrose. Personally, I'd say that is an added bonus. The buds may not look as dark green but it that's only because of less chlorophyll and that is what we want from curing anyway. Considering we want our plants to be healthier and yield higher, I'd say them looking a little pale is well worth the price.

This isn't a new concept, I've been looking into it for a long time and many other people have thought of it and put up posts on it as well. Just imagine a plant getting an IV like a person, they are healthier because their needs are being met intravenously. The situation is however, I personally haven't bothered and am not sure how to get pure sucrose. Table sugar won't work, maple syrup or molasses probably would... but why inject fake "blood" into the plant when you can give it pot "blood" since that is essentially what it is. Most of us just kill our males anyway, so why not use them to super-boost some of our most loved strains.

The hormone aspect of it would just be a consequence of the transfusion, if simple "stress" can make a plant hermi then I don't see why adding male hormones won't. Either we boost our buds or end up with hermaphrodites making feminized seeds.
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I certainly believe this, I understand that giving the plant what it needs rather than making it work for its energy would make a bigger plant. A concern to me is that if your injecting all of this refined sugar where is it going? Into the buds? So there are massive sugar deposits in the buds? Don't take this the wrong way but I wouldn't smoke that, I would eat that but combustion is a completely different matter. And by injecting it as a refined sugar you may not be able to flush it out. I don't think you understand the way genetic mutation works, or maybe I don't, but just injecting an extract from a male plant to a female plant probably won't make it go hermaphrodite.

But dude, don't ask us, go and do it, test your theory, present your conclusions and we will have an active debate about it.

Peace
 
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Redeflect

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I don't think introducing some male hormones to a female plant will make it go hermaphrodite... but if "Stressing" a plant does, then adding male hormones definitely would... if "Stressing" females really turns them hermie.

I don't intend to use refined sugar, I intend to use the same sugar/nutrient that is in the males already, just transfuse it into the females. It'll be 100% raw marijuana sap/syrup/whatever. The sugar builds up everywhere in the plant, just as it would normally. You would only have a bunch of sugar in your buds if you did it up until harvest and didn't flush, otherwise they would be no more sugary than normal. The only thing this does is makes the sugars and some nutrients more readily available to the plant during growth so that it doesn't have to work as hard making its own sugars, is healthier, and has less chlorophyll since it has an abundance of sugars already.

I have a grow of either White Widow, Master Kush, or Northern Lights (not sure which yet) that i'm going to be planting tomorrow, i'll test it for that grow.
 
Mr.KushMan

Mr.KushMan

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I understand whet your trying to do, and adding the "juice" from a male plant would help the other plant grow and be a use for unusable males and the rest of females. But marijuana is very resiliant and simply 1 "IV" into the plant in question wouldn't stress it enough I am afraid, or happy to say. Do you want hemies? If so look into Gibberellic acid, its a hormone found in many plants, its what is used to chemically stress females to produce stamin and it can make males go hermies to.

Peace
 
Sleepless

Sleepless

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This sounds like a sweet idea. But how do you plan on getting a hypodermic needle? As far as I know they're not very readily available around here.


peace,
Sleepless
 
BakedinBC

BakedinBC

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yeah thats a pretty cool idea! however i have one question.... i always hear of people getting hermes and just tossing them because they say the seeds are generally herme... how do you know that if it goes herme it wont give you a bunch of doomed seeds?
 
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Redeflect

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mr. weeds: That's what I'm here for, to get help with the thinking by asking :-)

Mr.Kushman: I don't want female seeds, i want more resilient plants but if getting some female seeds was part of the deal then I wouldn't mind. As for the gibbrellic acid... I haven't looked into where to get it yet, but I don't have any real need for female seeds yet. I always figured that if I needed female seeds that I would go down that path.

Sleepless: There are some needle dispensaries in a few cities around here that give needles out to addicts to stop the spread of diseases. As for me, I have some left over needles from when i tried to grow shrooms :-)

BakedinBC: I'd have assumed plants treated with gibberellic acid would create doomed seeds since to be a hermaphrodite I thought something has to become one genetically, which means offspring then inherit the mutant chromosomes. As for normal hermaphrodites, I believe the seeds are always going to go hermie but don't quote me on that because I don't know personally.
 
Mr.KushMan

Mr.KushMan

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Redeflect said:
mr. weeds: That's what I'm here.......

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BakedinBC: I'd have assumed plants treated with gibberellic acid would create doomed seeds since to be a hermaphrodite I thought something has to become one genetically, which means offspring then inherit the mutant chromosomes. As for normal hermaphrodites, I believe the seeds are always going to go hermie but don't quote me on that because I don't know personally.
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Nah, when you chemically stress it, it doesn't actually mutate the genetics. Its what Paradise seeds does, they take a ton of clones from one plant that they believe is stable, grow them out, when they are sure that the specific plant is stable enough for seeds they treat it with giberillic acid, using clones means they can pollinate each other with no worries as to wierd genetics, its called "selfing". Gibberillic Acid is a naturally occurring plant hormone which when applied to foliage in specific dilutions can increase resin production, but when used liberally on a specific part of the plant is forces the plant to go hermie, by producing stamin in a female plant.

Also its a matter of probabilities, just because one parent is

Peace
 
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