Sugar peak by earth juice

GuerrillaGreenery

Active Member
im not really familiar with the sugar peak but i use the origanl EJ line and i always bubble my nutes for at least 3 days. the PH will be around 2.0-4.0 befre bubbling after its perfect and aparently the soil will also raise the ph. and another thing you really dont have to flush with organics maybe one time before harvest.
 

got2loveit

Well-Known Member
i didnt get to see your message bro so i did my own thing..
i mixed 5ml/gallon(dose was 8ml/gal) zyme adjusted the ph to 6.5 and watered... since i use big pots 1gal isnt enough... so i made a second gallon with 5ml(dose was 16ml/gal) sugar peak grand finale ph tested 6.5 without adjusting it.. and watered... i then mixed 2ml/lt biobizz and foliar fed... in general i saw a clear sign that new leafs were a nice dark green ... and plants were healthier... lets see how they took yesterdays feeding...

in general the plant is quite delayed its on its 49th day of flowering and far from ready... buds havent even formed properly and the lemonsk has the most small and airy bud sites ive ever seen at such a stage... its like they are at day 30.... do u think they will get back on track to some degree or is the game lost??

i had ph probs with my first grow 2 years ago but had a very decesent result even though...


aaa did what u said with the soil... i left the water mix with the soil for about 5' and the ph was 8.....
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
YIKES! pH 8! did you use tap water or RO water? If you used RO water and still got a pH of 8 from your soil its time to start adding acid. I would be watering with a pH of 5.5 from now on, to adjust the soil pH. It will take a few waterings.

If they are delayed, then that simply means get rid of your calendar schedule and watch the plants. this stunting could easily have delayed flower maturation by a couple weeks.

glad to hear you are having some green come back, thats really a good sign. the dead spots will not come back, but anything alive and yellow can once again be green.
 

got2loveit

Well-Known Member
no dont have RO water il try to buy some 2morow.
plants looking even healthier. new foliage from the buds emerging. the buds are starting to fatten again.
do u still think i should be watering with 5.5?
im chargingmy cam and will post pics in a while.
how do u think i should act today its watering time...
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
water with a 5.5 pH would be my guess, but without RO water for the soil test, its hard to say what your soil pH really is. I'd go with a 6.0 just to be safe. If they are looking batter, that is good. FOliar feeding may have been a big help, and some would come here and say that foliar feeding flowers is bad. but in this case i think it was needed.

Feed half strength, with a 5.7ish pH. Don't be afraid to also foliar feed in addition... they need the food now and roots take time
 

got2loveit

Well-Known Member
i checked out ur blog!! i liked it alot but it only addressees experienced growers and mostly deals with making hash. i found useful some of the tips on the bubble hash but i would like if it were more like articles making an encyclopedia for growing our love through your experiences.
ive been reading abit about the vegganics but u need the lovely freedom to grow, in order to do this. ive noticed lets say in stealth grows that being organic and using soil produces quite alot of unwanted waste. so i have been trying to figure out how to make a medium that will be reusable, organic above all, for continuous grows. and i would like to discuss this with u...
otherwise i would love to see you experiment in a number of ways through your blogs.
ive seen your open to discussion so my opinion is take some time to elaborate in a multitude.. i mean write for the new write for those who have started to experience and then for those who have experience... so u dont miss out on readers...
 

got2loveit

Well-Known Member
im going to foliar feed again i think it really helped them!!!
il give 1.5ml/gal more this time... mybe go up another 1.5 next time? going from 5ml/gal to 8ml/gal is quite a big jump no??
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
i checked out ur blog!! i liked it alot but it only addressees experienced growers and mostly deals with making hash. i found useful some of the tips on the bubble hash but i would like if it were more like articles making an encyclopedia for growing our love through your experiences.
ive been reading abit about the vegganics but u need the lovely freedom to grow, in order to do this. ive noticed lets say in stealth grows that being organic and using soil produces quite alot of unwanted waste. so i have been trying to figure out how to make a medium that will be reusable, organic above all, for continuous grows. and i would like to discuss this with u...
otherwise i would love to see you experiment in a number of ways through your blogs.
ive seen your open to discussion so my opinion is take some time to elaborate in a multitude.. i mean write for the new write for those who have started to experience and then for those who have experience... so u dont miss out on readers...
thanks for the feedback. you are so right. as for experimentation... i am working on perfecting the veganics, then back to true experiments. i pretty much consider dropping the poo to be an experiment of sorts.

As for waste... you can re-use your media, but this changes the properties every cycle. And any pests will be perpetuated via this re-use. Indoors, I prefer to start with a clean slate for my media. I plan on changing this in the future but first things first. UptheA said I need to cut out the confounding variables, and he is right.

I'm compiling an actual scientific grow journal right now. Posting it is too much work, so I'm waiting til the end. I'll give you the general layout for one days data, I guessed about the exact numbers because its dark and my journal is in the garden :) :

11/12/2010
8am: 74 F, 65% RH
12am: 67 F, 45% RH (lights off from 10 am to 4 pm)
6pm: 72 F 65% RH
9:00pm: water. canopy temp actually 78 F. vertical growth = 18 cm, ***FIM-ed
5 gal RO/5 gal small boy -> 7.8 pH, 98 ppm, 63 F
X tbs molasses -> 6.7 pH, 120 ppm
X tbs widow -> 6.6 pH 140 ppm
4mL/gal vega -> 6.4 pH 280 ppm
1 mL/gal Ca/Mag -> 6.5 pH 300 ppm
1 mL/gal HN roots -> 6.6 pH 320 ppm
2ml pH down -> 6.4 pH 340 ppm

Bubbled for 25 minutes (because Venture Bros came on :) )
10 gal = Plenty of water, almost time to transplant again. 1 gal mesh bottom -> 2gal mesh bottom. need to turn on 1 more light. possibly hook up air cooled action & switch from 8" to 6" fan. snow on the hills.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
im going to foliar feed again i think it really helped them!!!
il give 1.5ml/gal more this time... mybe go up another 1.5 next time? going from 5ml/gal to 8ml/gal is quite a big jump no??
missed this post. yeah, good call on foliar. don't go up too fast, there is only so much they can take as a foliar before it clogs the stomata. and you can do a plain water rinse every few days to wash off any residue. Watch your night time humidity, keep it low, with foliar feeding flowers this is crucial. i also foliar right when the light comes on and raise the lights until the plants are dry.
 

got2loveit

Well-Known Member
thanks 4 the info bro shall do shall do!
here re some pics...
there is some green comming out but the brown aint leavin:wall:\
and something has been going really wrong on the lemonsk.

the healthy ones are getting into their 2nd week...
the leafs on the lemonsk Jr got a light green scent in them aftr i first fed them... hasnt gone away.. how do u think i should treat her? she showed me her first preflowers:-P
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
thanks 4 the info bro shall do shall do!
here re some pics...
there is some green comming out but the brown aint leavin:wall:\
and something has been going really wrong on the lemonsk.

the healthy ones are getting into their 2nd week...
the leafs on the lemonsk Jr got a light green scent in them aftr i first fed them... hasnt gone away.. how do u think i should treat her? she showed me her first preflowers:-P
Necrosis = brown spots. None of that will come back, it is dead. Don't stress it, cause there is nothing you can do but trim it off.

If yellow (chlorosis) is turning green that is great.

Your veg plants look like the yellowing is starting at the top, not the bottom. Bottom would be N deficiency. But starting at the top usually means there is a secondary or micronutrient issue. Either too much or too little of something. Yellowing at the top could also be environmental (too hot, overwatering, underwatering). And pH is so crucial for everything that a pH issue may cause any and/or all issues to show on your plants.

With that said. I'm thinking iron (Fe) deficient, which is common, that's why they make Cal-Mag Plus (plus = EDTA chelated Fe) and everyone uses it. And I have to say again that if your pH is off Fe, even EDTA chelated, won't work well. I'd probably foliar with some Ca-Mg Plus, or other product that contains chelated Fe. Good luck.
 
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