Sudden outdoor grow problems

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borgey401

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I have a Sugar Black Rose plane (that was grown from clone) planted in a 3 gallon pot on my property. I am using Happy Frog soil and have been feeding it General Hydroponics FloraNova series (grow at the moment since I am vegging) at 2 teaspoon per gallon currently (but it only usually takes about 1/2 gallon before I start to see around 15% runoff so I just mixup 1/2 gallon with 1 teaspoon). I pH my solution after I add the nutrients to 6.5 and water the plant by hand. I use tap water that I let sit out in an open 5 gallon water jug contrainer for a few days before using it.My schedule is usually water once a few with distiled Ph'd water and then when it dries out later in the week feed it with the FloraNova mixture. Since the plant is outside I wanted to take some preventative measures and have been using a couple foliar sprays more as preventative measures than anything which are Safer caterpillar killer and some Central Coast Green Cleaner which is supposed to kill spider mites and their eggs, predatory mites, aphids, white flies, broad mites and russet mites along with being effective against PM

Well now that you have a general outline of my grow this we can now get into the issue I am having. I sprayed the Green Cleaner the night before I started having issues (which I have sprayed a few times before with no negative effects at all). Some of my leaves now have these brown spots on them that just seemed to show up instantly. I could be wrong but I check my plant ALL THE TIME and I swear they were not there the morning after I sprayed the Green Cleaner and developed later in the day. Can any of you experts out there help point me in the right direction as to how I can fix this issue.IMG_20170627_190849.jpg IMG_20170627_190933.jpg IMG_20170627_190903.jpg IMG_20170627_190915.jpg
 
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borgey401 said:
I have a Sugar Black Rose plane (that was grown from clone) planted in a 3 gallon pot on my property. I am using Happy Frog soil and have been feeding it General Hydroponics FloraNova series (grow at the moment since I am vegging) at 2 teaspoon per gallon currently (but it only usually takes about 1/2 gallon before I start to see around 15% runoff so I just mixup 1/2 gallon with 1 teaspoon). I pH my solution after I add the nutrients to 6.5 and water the plant by hand. I use tap water that I let sit out in an open 5 gallon water jug contrainer for a few days before using it.My schedule is usually water once a few with distiled Ph'd water and then when it dries out later in the week feed it with the FloraNova mixture. Since the plant is outside I wanted to take some preventative measures and have been using a couple foliar sprays more as preventative measures than anything which are Safer caterpillar killer and some Central Coast Green Cleaner which is supposed to kill spider mites and their eggs, predatory mites, aphids, white flies, broad mites and russet mites along with being effective against PM

Well now that you have a general outline of my grow this we can now get into the issue I am having. I sprayed the Green Cleaner the night before I started having issues (which I have sprayed a few times before with no negative effects at all). Some of my leaves now have these brown spots on them that just seemed to show up instantly. I could be wrong but I check my plant ALL THE TIME and I swear they were not there the morning after I sprayed the Green Cleaner and developed later in the day. Can any of you experts out there help point me in the right direction as to how I can fix this issue.View attachment 3968580 View attachment 3968581 View attachment 3968582 View attachment 3968583
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was the sun shining,while u sprayed or soon after
 
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thumper60 said:
was the sun shining,while u sprayed or soon after
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Nope, I actually sprayed it around 8:30 PM EST. Now that I think of there was a little rain shower during the night that I sprayed too. I don't know if this would have any ill effect on it but figure I would mention that just in case. I always spray my plants right as the sun is setting as long as it's not too humid and there's a possibility of getting mold. I'm completely at lost at what I have done wrong here. The plant looks nice and green otherwise and literally just the day before, my buddy who is a seasoned grower was complimenting me on how good she looked. ( for a first grow that's I am strictly in control of, I've grown with my buddy as a partner before).
 
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Does anyone else have any ideas of what could be wrong? It does not seem to be spreading from what I can tell. Unless it is just spreading really slowly. The plant isn't wilting or anything either. Should I maybe give her a flush or something? I know patience is a virtue with growing and just throwing additives and other chemicals at it is one of the worst things you can do so I have not been doing anything besides keeping up with it's feeding schedule. It's due for a light preventative spray of Safer Caterpillar spray but now I am scared to even do that.
 
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If anyone has even the slightest input I would greatly appreciate it. This thing has become my baby and has also become a hobby for me. I would hate to loose a plant over something I could fix. Thank you, everyone, for sharing all your knowledge with this community and others.
 
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It appears to be sun spots to me or weird ph sign but it may have been from the ph your foliar but you arent feeding it so im not sure. I honestly think its sun i had a few spots on mine while ive been hardening off. Your plants look healthy I would just monitor its progression if any to see if you actually have a problem i doubt it though. Keep up the good work man
 
Dutchieman420

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Pretty plant it doesn't look like any common disease or deficiency, have you tried picking ALL affected folage to see if it is spreading? Also I would spray with only water for a few days. Be careful of sun as for mentioned. Looking good so far.
Def get a large cage and trim up your bottoms soon
 
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Dutchieman420 said:
Pretty plant it doesn't look like any common disease or deficiency, have you tried picking ALL affected folage to see if it is spreading? Also I would spray with only water for a few days. Be careful of sun as for mentioned. Looking good so far.
Def get a large cage and trim up your bottoms soon
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What time of day do you think I should spray it with water and should I pH the water to 6.5 like I do when watering the roots? I did pick some of the worst affected foliage, but I did not want to take off too many leaves at once during veg. I will take off more of the affected leaves and see what happens. It doesn't seem like it is spreading from what I can tell so far though. It's currently in a 3 gallon pot and I purchased a 10 gallon pot to transplant it into and that will be it's final resting place. I wanted to do this in about a week, what is your option on transplanting it in the very near future? I would then add a cage around it for support. I actually hadn't even thought about super cropping this plant but now maybe I will. what the hell right. I have been FIMing it a good amount though so I should get a lot of shoots. Would it be okay to just trim the low branches right now at this stage in veg? I know cannabis is a very resilient plant but was a little worried about stressing it from trimming the bottom little shoots, trimming some of the affected foliage and then finally transplanting it.

PS I have also never super cropped before, do you have a good method that someone like me who has never done it before can follow?


THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR THE REPLIES!!!!!
 
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jensenbeach1 said:
It appears to be sun spots to me or weird ph sign but it may have been from the ph your foliar but you arent feeding it so im not sure. I honestly think its sun i had a few spots on mine while ive been hardening off. Your plants look healthy I would just monitor its progression if any to see if you actually have a problem i doubt it though. Keep up the good work man
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It is in a spot that gets direct sun for the first half of the day until about 1-2PM. I do have it in a black plastic pot and heard those can make the plant pretty hot during some days so do you think that's maybe some of the issues? The other half of the day it gets indirect sunlight as there is a big oak tree in my yard.i
 
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borgey401 said:
What time of day do you think I should spray it with water and should I pH the water to 6.5 like I do when watering the roots? I did pick some of the worst affected foliage, but I did not want to take off too many leaves at once during veg. I will take off more of the affected leaves and see what happens. It doesn't seem like it is spreading from what I can tell so far though. It's currently in a 3 gallon pot and I purchased a 10 gallon pot to transplant it into and that will be it's final resting place. I wanted to do this in about a week, what is your option on transplanting it in the very near future? I would then add a cage around it for support. I actually hadn't even thought about super cropping this plant but now maybe I will. what the hell right. I have been FIMing it a good amount though so I should get a lot of shoots. Would it be okay to just trim the low branches right now at this stage in veg? I know cannabis is a very resilient plant but was a little worried about stressing it from trimming the bottom little shoots, trimming some of the affected foliage and then finally transplanting it.

PS I have also never super cropped before, do you have a good method that someone like me who has never done it before can follow?


THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR THE REPLIES!!!!!
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I would start by taking off affected leaves and see if it is spreading, go for the transplant before supercrop.
After transplant and when the plant tells u it's chill with the new home, which will most likely fix any nutrient issue for awhile use Fox Farm ocean Forest or roots organic straight.

Supercropping
Water heavily the night before and early morning
In the morning or when u turn lights on is best timing
Squeeze determined spot for cropping breaking inner part of plant, squeeze hard and pinch at least a half inch length to be sure no breakage happens
Outside of stem in best case has no breakage if it does use duct tape
Bend after squeezing t desired direction
After some time in the sun a couple hours the branch will bend up twords light source
 
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Dutchieman420 said:
I would start by taking off affected leaves and see if it is spreading, go for the transplant before supercrop.
After transplant and when the plant tells u it's chill with the new home, which will most likely fix any nutrient issue for awhile use Fox Farm ocean Forest or roots organic straight.

Supercropping
Water heavily the night before and early morning
In the morning or when u turn lights on is best timing
Squeeze determined spot for cropping breaking inner part of plant, squeeze hard and pinch at least a half inch length to be sure no breakage happens
Outside of stem in best case has no breakage if it does use duct tape
Bend after squeezing t desired direction
After some time in the sun a couple hours the branch will bend up twords light source
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Sounds like a plan to me. I am going to go take off the majority of the leaves that have the spots on them along with a few of the little shoots on the bottom. I will stop there since I don't want to take off too much at once but am mostly focused on the leaves at the moment. Alright I was going to use the rest of that Happy Frog I have left over from potting it in the 3 gallon pot but I will bite the bullet and get some Ocean Forest to put in the 10 gallon Great guide on supercropping, I feel a lot more confident about doing it to my plants now. Thank you very much.

While I was outside just now I noticed the pot was light and that it needed some water. So since I used nutrients last time I pH'd my water to 6.5 added water to the pot and then tested the runoff water from the pot. It was actually right on 6.5 as well. So whatever those spots are I don't think it is a pH issue but that's just my 2 cents. I am off to go do some trimming of leaves and a few little branches at the bottom.
 
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Just a little update on the plant. It looks to be pretty as far as I can tell. Like I previously said I took off a decent amount of the worst affected fan leaves and based on what I saw today it does not look like it is spreading (or if it is actually spreading it's doing it incredibly slow to the point where I can't even notice, which would be odd in my opinion considering they all popped up literally overnight and all of them on one night). The new growth from what I have FIM'd and regular new growth does not have it either. I think my plant may just end up making it through this lol. I just need to find a good bug preventative spray for outdoors to apply like once every other week or once a month (only in veg unless it can be watered into the roots somehow).
 
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jensenbeach1 said:
It appears to be sun spots to me or weird ph sign but it may have been from the ph your foliar but you arent feeding it so im not sure. I honestly think its sun i had a few spots on mine while ive been hardening off. Your plants look healthy I would just monitor its progression if any to see if you actually have a problem i doubt it though. Keep up the good work man
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What could be causing an off-balance pH? The water I use (plain old distilled tap water) to both water once a week and mix nutrients to feed once a week comes out the 5 gallon I use to distil it for a few days at a pH of 7. So if I am just going to water the plant I add a little bit of pH down until I get it to 6.5. If I am going to feed the plant I start off with the plain old distilled water that has a pH of 7.0 Then I add my dose of GH FloraNova Grow into the water and shake the shit out of the jug to mix it well. I always take my pH after adding the nutrients. I know that it's going to end up being a lot more acidic after adding the nutrients (which is usually right around 5.0). So from here I will obviously add some pH up until I get my nutrient mix to 6.5. I even tested the water runoff that was coming out of one of the holes on the bottom of the pot and it was exactly where I wanted it to be. Right at 6.5, Now I am sure that it is worth adding that I am using a GH liquid test kit to test the Ph, so some numbers may be off by a tiny bit..I am actually pretty damn good with it and every couple weeks will test it out with my friends pH pen that was an expensive tool. I do tend to get a solid pH pen and keep the liquid kit as back up after this harvest.

One thing I have not done is played with pH when spraying with the foliar sprays that I have been using (Safer Caterpiller Killer and Green Clean) but like you previously said I am not feeding the plant with any of those, they've just preventative measures so I don't think that should matter too much.
 
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