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l0gikz

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Okay so i have recently learned and done succesful supercropping, i understand completely when and how to lollipop, but when and how can you tell if you need to low intensity stress your plant by tying the top down to the side?

I know all of these methods are to produce multiple colas, and use the plant's food the most effeciently, but could someone tell me how you can infer exactly the "when and why" to each of these 3 methods?
 
East Coast

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I suppose one method could be more suited to mother plants.

Another method for a small m2 area. How much height you have to play with.
 
GroErr

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Using several methods, nothing wrong with mixing it up. Typically use LST and FIM on pretty well every plant, sativas more so as I like to shape them into bushes vs letting them go wild.
I use these methods as follows:
  • LST, early on I start to shape the plant and spread it out. From about 5-6" tall and 4-6 nodes I install small 5" training "rings" that I buy at the dollar store - 5x for $1
  • Once they to around 8-10" I LST more to shape them and spread out across the pot, open up the centre and let additional shoots pop up from the centre
  • At this point I also FIM every branch that has a shoot coming in, repeat every 10 days or so until about a week before flipping them to 12/12
  • Once they hit around 12"-14" I'm super-crop them (on purpose now, had mainly done it by fuck-ups like dropping shit on them!). Using the super cropping and LST together I bend/tie the super-cropped branch to fill in holes, new shoots come up around the knot and fill in the holes
Typically like my current round with LST and FIM only I'll end up around 8 nice large colas
Hoping to take that to 12 or so next round by adding super-cropping
This current round I added some tomato trellises when I put them into the flower room. This allowed me to run the colas through the trellis. It served me well, nice open areas to get lots of light to the centre/bottom. As well, now that the buds are getting heavier, the trellises are providing support and allows me to tie the centre colas to the trellises. You can see my results in my current CMH thread, this was just LST and FIM, next one should be better and produce more bud areas. My avatar is what I like them to look like before going into flowering, relatively short, round bush with lots of bud areas.

It's all preference and what you're trying to accomplish really. They all serve to manage canopy, increase shoots/colas, in the end any of this training produces more than just letting the plant go wild/natural. LST is probably the easiest and least amount of stress. FIM or topping are easy as well.Super-cropping takes a bit of a leap of faith if you haven't done it before as it's higher stress and can be daunting at first, but these plants can handle a lot of bending/twisting and even breaking, yet recover well and fast.
 
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GroErr said:
Using several methods, nothing wrong with mixing it up. Typically use LST and FIM on pretty well every plant, sativas more so as I like to shape them into bushes vs letting them go wild.
I use these methods as follows:
  • LST, early on I start to shape the plant and spread it out. From about 5-6" tall and 4-6 nodes I install small 5" training "rings" that I buy at the dollar store - 5x for $1
  • Once they to around 8-10" I LST more to shape them and spread out across the pot, open up the centre and let additional shoots pop up from the centre
  • At this point I also FIM every branch that has a shoot coming in, repeat every 10 days or so until about a week before flipping them to 12/12
  • Once they hit around 12"-14" I'm super-crop them (on purpose now, had mainly done it by fuck-ups like dropping shit on them!). Using the super cropping and LST together I bend/tie the super-cropped branch to fill in holes, new shoots come up around the knot and fill in the holes
Typically like my current round with LST and FIM only I'll end up around 8 nice large colas
Hoping to take that to 12 or so next round by adding super-cropping
This current round I added some tomato trellises when I put them into the flower room. This allowed me to run the colas through the trellis. It served me well, nice open areas to get lots of light to the centre/bottom. As well, now that the buds are getting heavier, the trellises are providing support and allows me to tie the centre colas to the trellises. You can see my results in my current CMH thread, this was just LST and FIM, next one should be better and produce more bud areas. My avatar is what I like them to look like before going into flowering, relatively short, round bush with lots of bud areas.

It's all preference and what you're trying to accomplish really. They all serve to manage canopy, increase shoots/colas, in the end any of this training produces more than just letting the plant go wild/natural. LST is probably the easiest and least amount of stress. FIM or topping are easy as well.Super-cropping takes a bit of a leap of faith if you haven't done it before as it's higher stress and can be daunting at first, but these plants can handle a lot of bending/twisting and even breaking, yet recover well and fast.
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You are fucking amazing thank you so much GroErr. i live in California usa. do you think there is any way i could get your number or kik username to keep in touch for advice? i'll show you my setup and all. i'm just a first time grower that wants to not produce shit, and get the prime buds.
 
East Coast

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I use another method to get 8 colas, and that is to take tall clones, get roots on those then 12/12. Very fast.

Well, I'm starting shorter first due to my only mother plant at the time was having a mid life crisis.
 
rob333

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i get undressed in front of my plants that tends to stress them out enough so i dont worry about lst or cropping it seen my moster penis and fell over all buy itself trying to touch it use should give it a go somtimes as u can see by my pic
 

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both pics were taken about 2 weeks ago so now she is about 4 weeks into flower buds on her is about the size of ur fist so far still got about 6 more weeks left in her
 

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You can always mainline you really can not beat the nice consistent 8-32 colas you produce, i have never had such an even canopy before i got into main lining now it's just basically an even stream of solid colas.
 
GroErr

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l0gikz said:
You are fucking amazing thank you so much GroErr. i live in California usa. do you think there is any way i could get your number or kik username to keep in touch for advice? i'll show you my setup and all. i'm just a first time grower that wants to not produce shit, and get the prime buds.
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lol, way short of amazing, just another grower like many here, if you enjoy the grow you'll get some experience over time and get comfortable with the plants. Start slow and build your confidence up in man-handling them, you'll do fine, LST is probably the easiest, a good start. I PM'd you on how to get in touch, Good luck and happy growing :)
 
East Coast

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purplegrower02 said:
You can always mainline you really can not beat the nice consistent 8-32 colas you produce, i have never had such an even canopy before i got into main lining now it's just basically an even stream of solid colas.
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This method suits my lifestyle best.

Training a plant for me would need a bigger vegging room, as I like the perpetual grow, based on roughly 18-19 day cycles - 8 clones in, 8 clones out.
 
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East Coast said:
I use another method to get 8 colas, and that is to take tall clones, get roots on those then 12/12. Very fast.

Well, I'm starting shorter first due to my only mother plant at the time was having a mid life crisis.
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you simply take a tall clone and 12/12 them and that produces 8 colas per plant? nothing else needed?
 
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purplegrower02 said:
You can always mainline you really can not beat the nice consistent 8-32 colas you produce, i have never had such an even canopy before i got into main lining now it's just basically an even stream of solid colas.
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Can you explain to me this method in detail? i would love to "mainline" and get 8-32 colas. i am running 12 plants under 1200W MH bulbs (swapping HPS in bloom) and am searching for the best way to get the highest yield without having so many popcorn bullshit nugs. ya feel?
 
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Google main lining cannabis there are a few amazing threads with pics.

You top your plant than keep topping it until you have at least 8 colas. It may seem completed but it's very very simple and highly effective. I get usually 1-1.25ozs a cola indoors and outdoors a few ozs per cola and zero popcorn garbage. If you want i can post some pics later.
 

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l0gikz said:
you simply take a tall clone and 12/12 them and that produces 8 colas per plant? nothing else needed?
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Nope - Cut 8 tall clones from your mother, get some roots happening, then place those 8 branches into 12/12 - repeat every 18 days depending on strain.
 
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The way I'm using produces 8 colas from one plant in roughly 4 weeks of veg. Over the years I've found this one plant with its 8 colas yields more than 8 seperate plants since it will have a larger root mass. Of course you need slightly more room but really not much. If you're limited on space i highly recommend the air pots, you can grow a bigger/gealthy plant in the same amount of dirt with it never getting root bound.
 
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purplegrower02 said:
Google main lining cannabis there are a few amazing threads with pics.

You top your plant than keep topping it until you have at least 8 colas. It may seem completed but it's very very simple and highly effective. I get usually 1-1.25ozs a cola indoors and outdoors a few ozs per cola and zero popcorn garbage. If you want i can post some pics later.
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so topping is just when you tie down the main branch nodes? that's what it looks like from the picture
 
Fast50

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From seed only:

Ill top at 3rd/4th node.. (Still dont have an exact science, its developing) Let em grow. Top the 2 tops. Start LST'n as soon as possible. From here on is in a nice veg room under real lights... Then i topped 2 branches that have caughtup. To the 4 tops. Lst city goin on.. Veg for about 3 days after that (what i do) to let new shoots come off new tops. Flip to flwr. Try to keep it temps loow.. Nitrogen rich. for 1st few waters into flwr. Bearly lstn till sexed. i lst the stretch and continue working em. Take clones, lollipop em, and do it again!
 
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