Stray Seeds in Bud

I have searched for this info but have not been able to locate it. So I apologize if this is a repeat.

I have been growing the same strain from clones for about 4 flowering cycles. I clone from vegged girls just prior to moving them to the flower room. This harvest, just after drying, I have found a few stray seeds in the buds while manicuring the buds. Not a lot but enough to make me wonder what happened. I have found about 25 seeds in about 1-1/4 pounds of bud. Nothin huge...

Does anyone know what causes this? Is it considered a problem (undesirable to the collectives). Or is this just something that happens once in a while... IOW, no big deal?

Also, are these seeds anygood or are they gonna have a hermie tendancy?

Thanks for any input.

Hi, i have no experience of this myself but i read about it while ago in a breeding thread https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/286994-basic-breeding.html. Read the following and maybe there is some answer you can find.

Seifing
Selfing is the ability of a plant to produce seeds without the aid of another plant and refers to hermaphrodite plants that are able to self-pollinate. Hermaphrodite plants have both male and female flowers.This usually means that the hermaphrodite plant is monoecious. Most plants are dioecious and have male and female flowers on separate plants.

Monoecious cannabis strains will always display both sexes regardless of the growing conditions. Under optimal growing conditions a monoecious cannabis strain will still produce both male and female flowers on the same plant. Under optimal growing conditions a dioecious cannabis strain will produce male and female flowers on separate plants.

Stressful growing conditions can cause some dioecious cannabis strains to produce both male and female flowers on the same plant. Manipulating an irregular photoperiod during the flowering stage is an easy way to encourage the dioecious hermaphrodite condition. Not all dioecious cannabis strains can become hermaphrodites. The dioecious cannabis strain must have a preexisting genetic disposition to become hermaphrodite under stressful conditions in order for male and female flowers to appear on the same plant.

If you find a dioecious cannabis strain that has the hermaphrodite condition you can separate this plant from the rest and allow selfing to occur. If the male pollen is viable on this plant then the hermaphrodite will produce seeds. Selfed plants that produce seeds will eventually generate offspring that:
1. Are all female
2. Are all hermaphrodite
3. Produce male, female and hermaphrodite plants because the environment also influences the final sexual expression of the selfed plant
4. Express limited variation from the original selfed plant
Breeders should note that it is nearly impossible for a hermaphrodite to create male plants although the environment can influence males to appear. Hermaphrodites usually create female-only and hermaphrodite seeds. The female-only seeds often carry the hermaphrodite trait. Selfing has become popular among those who wish to breed all-female or feminized seeds. Unfortunately feminized seeds do very little for the cannabis gene pool as the hermaphrodite condition prevents growers from generating a sinsemilla crop.

Most will be female if it's a slightly hermied plant.

Thanks for your reply Johnnyprocrops. I am familiar with the info that you posted. The odd thing is, there was no sign of hermie or male what so ever. In fact, I flowered 3 previous crops of the same identical plants. Ie; this crop was cloned from the previous crop which was cloned from the previous crop, etc. They are all clones from the same mother which I grew from good quality seed (subcool's TGA Querkle & JillyBean). I am still curious of whether this condition will be or should be considered a problem...??? Should I discontinue this genetic path and start with new seeds again?

Thanks again for your replies.
Cheers

i had the same problem with some blueberry clones?

Happened to me....planted six of the seeds and all are female...harvest next weekend and they all look real tasty!!

Yah... my buds all look excellent, taste great and do the job. They just have a few stray seeds here and there.

Actually, I just remembered something. How could I forget... I had a couple of JillyBean (from seed) flowering in the same room as the Querkle. The Querkle is the ones that were clones from clones from clones, etc. I bet one of the JB had a hermie tendancy and I just couldn't or didn't see it. I have a new batch starting now. I will search diligently and let you all know what and if I find anything.

Cheers

JillyBean x Querkle could be tasty! I'd try growing those seeds : )

Anita Bhonghitt said:

JillyBean x Querkle could be tasty! I'd try growing those seeds : )

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Yah... was thinking of that... Querky Jill !

Just gotta figure out if it was JillyBean that was the culprit (hermie).

This is really wierd! We just started harvesting my other crop (completely dif strain) from a totally different room.

Again, this is a crop that is from clones from the same mother that I have grown in this same room over 5 or 6 times with no issues.

Anyway, I am seeing signs of stray seeds in this batch too. Some of the buds have a very tiny pollen sack sticking straight up... like a little horn or tongue... right out the top of the bud. I removed one and looked at it under the scope and I could see the little bits of pollen inside. And I have found a few stray seeds here and there.

Does anyone have any ideas what would be causing this. I mean... two totally dif rooms, dif strains, both rooms enviromentally controlled... etc, etc.???

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

you know that happened to me i was shocked myself a room full of female yet i had seeds not alot though but i had those pollen sacks i was growing some bubblegum when this happened what are you growing maybe its a strain problem

Nah... I grow subcool's TGA strains, Agent Orange, Querkle, JillyBean. This particular crop is Agent Orange.

damn that subcool!!! (just playin) respect!

I have been thinking and discussing this with a couple of colleagues and have come up with a theory. I am curious what others may think.

Theory is this: My method of growing involves what I call "Larfing". Larfing is removing all the lower budsites and leaves below the canopy essentially leaving about the top 1/3 of the leaves and buds to benefit from all the yummy nutes. In the past this has worked quite well virtually eliminating most if not all the larf and causing the remaining buds to be very swollen and dense. After doing some reading a while back, someone mentioned that the more leaves left in place the better. That the leaves act as storage cells which fuel the buds in their final days... thus producing larger, better buds. OK... I decided to try something different and combined this idea with my larfing technique. I still did the "Larfing" by removing the lower 2/3 of budsites but I left the leaves in place. I tried this technique in both rooms which have this "stray seeds" problem.

My theory or question is this... Can the buds overdose on the stored nutes (from the leaves)? I am not talking bout OD on Nutes which would result in nute burn... but actually OD from the over abundance of leaves. In nature, the ratio of leaves to buds must be some sort of number. By increasing the ratio of leaves to buds, could this cause the buds to react?... like a glutten OD'ing on food or a diabetic on sugar?

I do have one other idea, but I would like to hear peoples response to this idea first.

Thanks