Starting and sprouting seeds outdoors.100% outdoor survivial of the fitest

Discussion in 'Outdoor Growing' started by svchop889, Feb 23, 2013.

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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    Who has done a grow 100% outdoors start to finish. How was it done? I ask this because I've tried and failed a few times. I am able to start them inside and finish them outside but seems like every time i try to do the full course outdoors the seedlings never make it. I am not able to start indoors this year so what I'm looking for are people willing to share there proven methods, stealth is preferred, maybe some new ideas will form along the way but i will start with the ideas I have for now.

    1. Compact seedling plots planted over prepared and back-filled holes

    basically this idea is to dig and prepare a hole like you would for regular outdoor but to plant 15-25 seeds and weed out the weakest (I am using bag-weed-seed) leaving 2-4 seedlings for probability of females when sex is determined of the remaining remove all males and weak females. My year goal weight is 1-4 pounds 1lbs= 16oz or 453.5g

    I average an ounce or 2 per plant outdoor so to hit the 1lb mark I would need to have approx 10 successful plants. I grow guerrilla style no big plots with rows and rows just a couple here and there so 10-40 mini plots would be a lot to manage and consider you need to plant 3x what you want to harvest to meet your goal outdoor, because of loss to animals and weather bugs mold other unimaginable terrors.

    this way doesn't seem manageable with the acreage I'm working with about 6 acres of woods also, I wouldn't be able to get an early start which is also a concern because I live in Michigan.

    2. Pop bottle green house starters

    would allow me to start sooner there easy to conceal but larger quantity's will be harder more prep work. Seedlings could outgrow the pop bottle quickly still have to prepare just as many holes.

    3. Cold frame.

    mini green house, benefit of early start but harder to hide more seedlings could be done in one spot.


    These are my current ideas I have not yet tested them. If you have any experience with similar situations please share what you know.
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    budbro18

    budbro18 Well-Known Member

    Are you able to set up a small grow indoors? Because If you bought a couple seeds online or even grew a female outdoor then cloned her and kept her indoor your operation would go a lot smoother.

    Get some fluorescents and grow out a feminized seed made for outdoor growing

    let it get nice and big and then take about 20 clones from it. Wait a week to ten dad for then to root (2 weeks in some strains)

    then you take all your clones out to where you want to plant them and keep it going. If a couple get eaten or smashed early I. Growth just take some more clones and boom 2 weeks later they're right back where ya started
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    I would not have started this thread if i was able to do those things. I am capable of doing what you suggested but my situation does not pemit.
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    Slipon

    Slipon Well-Known Member

    if you cant start em indoor, you need to plan it so when you drop the seed in the ground (I would still try to make em sprout indoors) your in early spring with no night frost left ..

    make sure to plant em a place where they will receive atleast 5+ hours of direct Sun light, and make sure the soil you plant em in is with in the right PH (buy a cheap PH test kit)

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    if your soil is to acid in your woods you might have to spread some Lime and start em out in some soil of your own (dig a hole 1x1x1 ft and plant the seedling/seed in the soil you filld it with)


    outdoor in the ground is easy if you plan it right and can plant em in a place where they get a lot of Sun

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    not uncommon to get +1 pound a plant, with the right genetic, sun/summer, and fertilizer


    ps.
    if you worry about thieves and Cops aso. you could tie em down, make em look every thing els then weed, I even seen People hang Red painted pingpong balls on em to make em look like tomato plants from a distance ..
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    kpmarine

    kpmarine Well-Known Member

    Start your plants in a cold frame, then move them after you have started plants in pots? You aren't guaranteed 100% indoors where temps and humidity can be controlled. For example; I just started 4 BF's blue cheese in the exact same seedling tray, 3/4 sprouted under the exact same situations. All on a heating mat, same amount of water and light; 3 sprouted and the other one never even cracked. You need two things winter lacks to start plants: Heat and sunlight; the two things that are lacking this early in the season. If you can manage to supply heat and light to your plants, you may have a chance. Honestly, you don't have a closet to hook up a heating mat and a few CFL's? I'm sure it can be done, but it seems like you're going to have to rely on a lot of timing. Good luck.
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    I'm trying to attempt this for a few reasons. One of the reasons is because I know its hard to do, I like to challenge myself as a grower. Another is genetics, kind of like a Darwin based breeding program the plants that survive a climate pass genes that survived for a reason after a few years the genes will adjust to the climate and probability of success will increase. Ive done outdoor in smart pots before the roots grew threw the bag into the ground and they were 5ft in early September when i put them in ground never got to havest those two beauties deer tore them down soon after they started budding. I have no indoor available im not living alone dont like the risk involved, sucks though because of the non feminized bagseed ill be using maybe ill use my tax money to get my med card finally and I can just pick up some clones.

    but im not sure if pounder plants are too common in guerrilla style but maybe i could try to not hide my plants so well that the sun cant see them. honestly the year i managed to harvest the i got an ounce and a half off of 3 plants and one plant was only a foot and a half tall and the tallest was 4ft or so. I shocked them indoors to show sex and never got them to revert ack to veg before i put them out in may so they were in a halfway between state that i think stunted them severely.
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    kpmarine

    kpmarine Well-Known Member

    That's part of the issue in answering your question, wtf state are you in? Your odds of success with this method in Florida are much better than your odds of making it work in Wisconsin.
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    I live in Michigan
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    kpmarine

    kpmarine Well-Known Member

    Indeed you do! I totally read past that somehow. I wish you the best, and hopefully someone can furnish you with an outdoor solution that works in spite of us naysayers. haha
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    I think that black pot above ground would help keep the soil temp up I could also insulate the pot from the ground so that the heat gained does not conduct into the cold ground. Then transfer them into the ground when soil temps pick up in early june
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    lol yeah somehow everyone does that here quite commonly for some reason... I knew the reason once but I forgot where I read it.
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    kpmarine

    kpmarine Well-Known Member

    I think it's partially because people kind of ignore the original location. We know how paranoid smokers can get. :p Seriously though, it seems like you're going to have more troubles getting an early start than most, just because of your climate if nothing else.
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    yeah especially in the last three years I swear this has been the weirdest winter ive ever seen it didnt snow at all save once until Christmas the snow didn't start sticking until mid January . this year it might not be the early start i worry about but drought early in the season 2012 year july weather was the typical august.
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    stonerman

    stonerman Well-Known Member

    My advice is to go with a cold frame. I have been in your situation many times before, unable to start or grow anything indoors. Colds frames make all the difference in the world, cold frames give the seedlings their own little world, keeping them warm and protected. Just germinate your seedlings, put them in small pots, cups, whatever, with nice fluffy potting soil. One germinated seed per pot. Cold frame dimensions really depends on how many plants you want. With a little scrap wood and an old window, you can have am amazing coldframe, Wooden square base and an old window layed on top, very simple but very effective, able to stick plants outside at least a month before the last frost date, giving you a jumpstart on the season. Plus, plants started outside do not have to be hardened off, they are already very strong and resilient. Invest in a therometer to tell the temperature, its going to be up to you to regulate the cold frame, you can simply take off the top on hot sunny days, or if its slightly to warm just lift the window a crack. Its amazing that heat that will generate, even on a cloudy day. I only use the cold frame to start the plant, after about a month, its time to put them in their permament homes, dug holes deep in the forest. One last thing I suggest is investing in slug bait, I can almost guarantee slugs are one of the main culprits eating your seedlings, slugs can destroy seedlings in a matter of minutes, and they mostly only eat during the night, so slug bait is a must, or a slug preventive. And before you transport plants to the forest, once season has warmed up, you can just leave the top or window off, preparing them.Hope that helps, Happy toking
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    I like the idea of a cold frame only concern I have would be how well can it be concealed? Stonerman It sounds like you've done this before do you have aproximate demensions of your cold frame? and how many you fit in the thing? I should star building it soon if thats the way I am going to go? I might try multiple methods to see what works best.
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    duby55s

    duby55s Member

    You can start them in a tray with a clear lid maybe a month outdoors they will not be noticeable for looking like a ganja plant after a month then plant them in the ground easy start to finish outdorrs have done this for six harvest.
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    box full of plant in the woods looks suspect even if the plants are not recognized.
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    stonerman

    stonerman Well-Known Member

    Well I grow in a thick part of the woods, the cold frames in pretty dense forest, but still lots of sun. The size of the cold frame depends on the size of the window, but you don't even have to use a window really, you could use plastic, stapled onto a wooden frame. Most likely though, rippers dont go through the woods looking for plants until fall, their to lazy to grow their own, They don't want little seedlings, Is security that big of an issue? are you woods very thick? many travelers, the more remote the better. It really does not need to be that big, it really depends on the size of the pots and amount of plants. I would use just 16 oz Styrofoam cups with holes poked in the bottom. If you put those side by side, you can fit a lot of plants in a little area. a 3x3 foot would be sufficent, as long as you got lots of sun, and you could probably put up to 100 seedlings in a 3x3 foot area with 16 oz cups. But with 16 oz cups, they will become root bound after 3-4 weeks, so either plant in ground or transplant. Or just start off with bigger pots. Hope that helps, happy toking,
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    hotrodharley

    hotrodharley Well-Known Member

    Stonerman's on location cold frames are your best bet. Made with old wood so it is isn't as visible as a pimple on a chick's ass. Surrender it to the woods.
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    the woods isnt too thick old farmland that hasnt been used in probably 80 years based on the growth not many travelers just a couple people on nature walks maybe 4 times in a season. if i built it with torn down pallets its would probably blend in alright. I just like to be extremely cautious its not legal yet

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