Soma Seeds feminized method?? Got seeds instead of pollen...

Hey all,

I just grew some Fruit Automatic by Dinafem, I decided I wanted to keep the genes around for a while and didn't have room for clones. I said hey, I'll try the soma method and try crossing the pollen from it with another female plant. I thought I recalled Soma does the whole feminized deal that way. I couldnt let the whole plant go to banana kingdom, so I thought why don't I cut down 3/4 of the plant and leave 1/4 for reproduction. And left a few scraggly nuggs at the bottom hoping they would produce bananas with pollen. I wanted to cross with my purple haze plant. But it looks like it is forming seeds rather than bananas?! Not necessarily a bad thing for me in this case, it's just not what I expected? Any input on this? How would I go about getting female pollen if I can't just let it go too long. I'll post pics in a min.

The Soma method you are referring to is Rodelization and involves letting the female flower longer than you normally would in an attempt to get it to spawn nanners. Which you dry, and use next round.

Simply put your plant hermied and "selfed". I.e. if it's creating seed it means it's pollinated, probably by bananas higher up/earlier.

Those aren't genes you should want to keep around unless you can plant a hundred of those seeds, stress test them, and pick out the ones that don't herm.

the thing thats weird is that I kept the light cycle the same and watered the same. Is it not possible that you can have a plant pollinate itself after grow cycle and have feminized seeds? Seems weird that if you can pollinate another plant that a plant couldn't pollinate itself and have fem seeds. I see no bananas either. I can't find my camera or I'd post a pic

I gave some blackberry kush seeds that were in my bud to my roommate and its a totally female plant. Healthy as can be. No signs of nanas or seed pods and its well into flowering.

Sativied said:

The Soma method you are referring to is Rodelization and involves letting the female flower longer than you normally would in an attempt to get it to spawn nanners. Which you dry, and use next round.

Simply put your plant hermied and "selfed". I.e. if it's creating seed it means it's pollinated, probably by bananas higher up/earlier.

Those aren't genes you should want to keep around unless you can plant a hundred of those seeds, stress test them, and pick out the ones that don't herm.

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is it true that not all plants will rodelize < is that a word? lol >, i have heard that in the past, although i've never tried it myself..

racerboy71 said:

i have heard that in the past, although i've never tried it myself..

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Same. Frankly I think most of the plants I've grown would rot and die before spawning those particular late nanners.

Someone at RIU posted some time ago something like it just being another paycheck for Soma to write that article. A little harsh perhaps, but I agree it should be treated as such and not as some great organic method to create fem seed.

ballaboyee21 said:

I gave some blackberry kush seeds that were in my bud to my roommate and its a totally female plant. Healthy as can be. No signs of nanas or seed pods and its well into flowering.

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Well, if you for example have a female plant that was stressed to a point it started growing male parts and pollinated itself it's very possible none of the plants from its seeds hermie if they don't experience those same non-optimal conditions. The fact the parent has shown to have intersex tendencies makes it imo unsuitable for breeding.

They can't grow seeds without being pollinated. If one of your neighbors is growing hermies or males or you live near a huge hemp field... but mostly likely it's from one of your own plants.

Yeah, I mean the cut I gave it was probably very traumatic, I think as long as I didn't f@#$ it up too bad during regular growth it wouldn't pop seeds. Because it wouldn't have popped seeds if I didn't cut it 3/4 down. I'll give them a grow soon and I'll document the sex status. It'd be cool if I could keep doing this with strains I want to keep. Pretty easy, so I think it's worth a shot.

So what you're saying is also if I wouldn't have cut it at all, it would have popped nanners rather than seeds, I think that makes sense to me.

Female bud consists of calyxes, the white hairs from them (pistils) capture pollen. Pollen comes from male flowers, in particular from the bananas in side a male ball. Those balls and/or bananas can be grown by a female as well. Where there is seed, there was pollen first.

ballaboyee21 said:

It'd be cool if I could keep doing this with strains I want to keep. Pretty easy, so I think it's worth a shot.

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If it were a good way to save genetics, don't you think we'd all be doing it? Better to get a new strain (plenty of great stuff out there), stress them, pick two females that didn't stress to spawn male parts, then use CS/STS to get one of them to grow male parts after all and drop that on the other female.

ballaboyee21 said:

Hey all,

I just grew some Fruit Automatic by Dinafem, I decided I wanted to keep the genes around for a while and didn't have room for clones.

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am i the only one that noticed that ?

Sativied said:

Same. Frankly I think most of the plants I've grown would rot and die before spawning those particular late nanners.

Someone at RIU posted some time ago something like it just being another paycheck for Soma to write that article. A little harsh perhaps, but I agree it should be treated as such and not as some great organic method to create fem seed.

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the majority of them will throw nanners if you run them longer
leave some lower buds and let them run a month over and see what happens
you'd be surprised how most " stable " strains will do it too
and im pretty sure that method was around along time before Soma adopted it

figured id toss this out there
self pollinating as a last resort
can even be found in animals in nature some chickens can produce fertile egg's with no rooster present
just another example of nature trying its damdest to continue life
the difference with the chickens is the offspring are males
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/837/parthenogenesis-embryonic-development-in-unfertilized-eggs-may-impact-normal-fertilization-and-embryonic-mortality

I was waiting for bananas but I think it is popping seeds instead due to the stress of chopping the stem so low to the base. You think I might have made the cut too early, so it gave it time to produce seeds instead? Anyways, if a plant does pollinate itself when it was a "Feminized" seed, does that mean there is a greater chance the seeds will be female rather than hermaphrodite since technically the only genetics it has are for female parts?

Or does it really actually affect the genes of the plant to have stress-induced seeds?

ballaboyee21 said:

I was waiting for bananas but I think it is popping seeds instead due to the stress of chopping the stem so low to the base. You think I might have made the cut too early, so it gave it time to produce seeds instead? Anyways, if a plant does pollinate itself when it was a "Feminized" seed, does that mean there is a greater chance the seeds will be female rather than hermaphrodite since technically the only genetics it has are for female parts?

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like saitvied said, you don't get seeds without pollen first.. think of plants the same as people here. it's like saying a chick can't get pregnant unless someone drops some sperm inside of her vjj first.. for plants, seeds are the baby.. unless your plans came out of the bible, ie, virgin birth, then there had to be some pollen in order to make seeds..
also, stress induced hermies mean that the plant already had intersex prone genetics to begin with, other wise no amount of stress would cause the plant to show intersex traits, and you'd have to use a chemical like collodial sliver or giberic acic..

racerboy71 said:

like saitvied said, you don't get seeds without pollen first.. think of plants the same as people here. it's like saying a chick can't get pregnant unless someone drops some sperm inside of her vjj first.. for plants, seeds are the baby.. unless your plans came out of the bible, ie, virgin birth, then there had to be some pollen in order to make seeds..
also, stress induced hermies mean that the plant already had intersex prone genetics to begin with, other wise no amount of stress would cause the plant to show intersex traits, and you'd have to use a chemical like collodial sliver or giberic acic..

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Sure, I see your point, but if I don't ever stress my plants until the end of the growth cycle when I want seeds, why does it matter that it might be in its genes? My plants never were under stress until I chopped off the top 3/4. and the rest of the plant is fine, no seeds, no nanas, no signs of intersex traits. And I really want to keep the high cbd med around.

The seeds would still need to develop (4-6 weeks roughly), so if you'd stress them they'd grow nanners and you could use that next round to create seeds.

ballaboyee21 said:

And I really want to keep the high cbd med around.

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If you are sure what caused it to herm and you take away that reason its offspring won't herm for that same reason again obviously. Still indicates it has intersex tendencies which could be trigged by some other form of minor stress, so, it's simply not recommendable. However, if you really think you can't replace it with something similar or as effective, who cares about a few nanners or seeds... well, most people do apparently but you get my point. It's a risk assessment you can based make yourself now you know what you can expect.

ballaboyee21 said:

Sure, I see your point, but if I don't ever stress my plants until the end of the growth cycle when I want seeds, why does it matter that it might be in its genes? My plants never were under stress until I chopped off the top 3/4. and the rest of the plant is fine, no seeds, no nanas, no signs of intersex traits. And I really want to keep the high cbd med around.

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but seeing how you bred it to itself if it already had a hermi tendency then your just further locking it in or in laymen's terms making it easier for the offspring to hermi ... which maybe something as simple as burning them ... this wil also vary greatly pheno to pheno
stress from just cutting the rest of the plant would not effect a stable strain enough to make it hermi

ballaboyee21 said:

due tI was waiting for bananas but I think it is popping seeds instead

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these seeds are inside the calyx's ?
you know what a male flower looks like before it pops ?





totally of subject .......... but what purple haze you running ?