Michael Huntherz
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No.
And fuck lumens per watt. Micromoles per joule.
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And fuck lumens per watt. Micromoles per joule.
Michael Huntherz
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It depends on electrical cost per kilowatt hour, total elec consumption to run each light, hvac costs, the performance characteristics of the facility itself, time elapsed, use case and intent, how many runs per light each grower ends up doing and a few other factors I am forgetting. Nobody does just one run with their light, your question is malformed to make the LED fixture look overpriced from the start.
Your question is frankly fucking stupid, OP, worse than meaningless. It is harmful to share this kind of shitty thinking.
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rkymtnman
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How bout grower C with a sunlight and a cigar humidor? grower or sucker?
Michael Huntherz
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A sucker and a rube.
rkymtnman
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i'm still figuring out what part is the snake oil? led, hps or boveda packs.A sucker and a rube.
and what type of snake: poisonous or non?
Capt. Stickyfingers
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One Eyed Trouser
Haze the maze
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If one was to put one's self into either grower A or grower B's position. Having just met but, not knowing each other and sitting on a bench overlooking the ocean at sunset. Showing each other their great weed they just grew and saying, "Wow our bud looks exactly the same".
Let's get high.
Are you grower A or grower B?
Let's get high.
Are you grower A or grower B?
Haze the maze
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DREGER LIKES ALL
Kingrow1
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reason 2 why leds suck - neither of these are very accurate scales of lights true affinity towards plant growth. Most of science knows that these are mere lab scales and neither is a true representation as cited in most institutions.
Buuuut with leds these are hard and fast rules that produce points they sell on, in reality i just turned the situation around and came up with snakeoil because that sexactly what it looks like if it cost $1000.
Dangerous or merely stating the facts your trying to hide....
Michael Huntherz
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Cool. I don’t care if you understand science or not, your opinion about what “most of science understands,” is meaningless. I don’t care what lights you use, either. I was pointing out the OP asked a stupid question, not engaging in a holy war. I use HPS, LED, and T5s.
Zero
Fucks
Given
rkymtnman
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sounds like a bargain for a maintenance free light for 10 plus years of 24/0 growing or 20 years of 12/12 growing.
Michael Huntherz
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I believe the snake was Drymarchon couperi, which is an endangered non-venomous colubrid endemic to the eastern US.
Shame on the OP for supporting the trade in endangered species!
rkymtnman
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+ 5 bonus points for scientific name and family of said snake. kudos!
Roger A. Shrubber
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i use hps right now. i don't pay for electricity where i live, so it's not a huge issue to me. if i had to pay the electric bill here, i'm pretty sure i'd be investing in QBs and cobs. i'd estimate that you make your initial investment back in about 1.5 years, and after that, you could be saving at least 30% per month on lighting costs.
most leds are rated for at least 5 years, so you could replace them every 5 years and still save about 20% over running hid lighting for the same period. and thats without figuring in the cost of new hps bulbs at least once a year for that 5 years....so who's getting screwed over the long run?
most leds are rated for at least 5 years, so you could replace them every 5 years and still save about 20% over running hid lighting for the same period. and thats without figuring in the cost of new hps bulbs at least once a year for that 5 years....so who's getting screwed over the long run?
Michael Huntherz
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I don’t quite get electric free, but it is the lowest kwH cost you can imagine.
I am a superdupersnakenerd, lifelong obsession, I have kept and bred several thousand snakes, more than 100 species of reptiles, maybe >100 species of snakes...not sure.
Kingrow1
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Theres no savings - Reason 3 - Most off the led growers are on their third light as tech fast makes their last purchase redundant.
A watt is a watt, the same wattage light cost the same to run, zero savings, if you rhink there are refer to reason 1 & 2 for why they arent more efficient than hps, quite the opposite.
Kingrow1
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In ten years your led has lost a lot of spec let alone spectrum. No one gurantees this sorry.
rkymtnman
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false. 100000 or 50000 hr leds are quite common.
now you are spreading snake oil.
did an LED touch you in your private parts?
Kingrow1
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Oh id agree but theres a cut off point, take your led back in ten years, tell them a few diodes have blown and watch them do fuck alk about it.
Cunning marketing, the warranty is actually nowhere near this long.
I have zero against leds, awesome lights. Problem comes listening to all the hype so really its those peeps and not specificalky leds that touched me in a private place and made me champion the truth as much as those that champion the hype.
Why are you one of these growers...?
