slow weak growth

delowkey said:

they were already at the ceiling when I started before the heat stress...the heat stress was because I tried to make the room temp higher thinking they would row faster..i put them back down to 75 room temp...and I bought pulleys to bring the lightdown...the problem im having is they are not sretching for the light as they should...I mean they do stretch for the lights like a Y but they are clawing as u can see in the pics...I look at other grows and the fan leaves shoot straight out and up...

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Ohh got ya. Keep us updated I'd like to see how it plays out n how you fix it. Hope shit works out for ya man

look up supercropping, move light closer, also I can't tell for sure but if the leaves are super dark green they may be slightly over fed.

I would start topping every top I see. Then start LSTing all them girls to bush them out.

cassinfo said:

I would start topping every top I see. Then start LSTing all them girls to bush them out.

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But why would you stress a plant further that's ceased growing by topping or tying your plant down, you are supposed to top a healthy plant. Personally I would wait.

His leaves are curling because it was over fed. Drop the nutes and wait. Make sure your resivours are in prestine condition because if pests and virus were ever to strike your set up it would be now. They like to hit you when your down and your plants immune system is low. I have dealt with slow growth and the claw flush adjust wait they will straighten out.

PS. Hows the deficiency is it spreading still?

youngbuzz101 said:

But why would you stress a plant further that's ceased growing by topping or tying your plant down, you are supposed to top a healthy plant. Personally I would wait.

His leaves are curling because it was over fed. Drop the nutes and wait. Make sure your resivours are in prestine condition because if pests and virus were ever to strike your set up it would be now. They like to hit you when your down and your plants immune system is low. I have dealt with slow growth and the claw flush adjust wait they will straighten out.

PS. Hows the deficiency is it spreading still?

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I top a plant anytime I deem necessary during the veg stage. Stress or no stress, nutes burn, cal-mag def, they all bounce back. I'm not arguing with you that it should be done when the plant is healthy. He's got a little heat issue but his plants are still growing strong and he wants them to be bushy. I'll still stick to what I said. Top and LST them bitches and they will be reaching uoward within an hour. Heck, he's running 5K light which is plenty. But hey, its not my grow bro so you do what's best for YOU. I'm just a troll that live under the bridge.

cassinfo said:

I top a plant anytime I deem necessary during the veg stage. Stress or no stress, nutes burn, cal-mag def, they all bounce back. I'm not arguing with you that it should be done when the plant is healthy. He's got a little heat issue but his plants are still growing strong and he wants them to be bushy. I'll still stick to what I said. Top and LST them bitches and they will be reaching uoward within an hour. Heck, he's running 5K light which is plenty. But hey, its not my grow bro so you do what's best for YOU. I'm just a troll that live under the bridge.

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Lol if it works for you. I wasn't saying it wouldn't work. Just I wouldn't recommend it unless it was healthy since its already not growing. Do you think its heat stress he says his temp is 74 that seems about right to me and he is getting signs of early diffeciency. Post a picture

Close up on a whole plant

youngbuzz101 said:

But why would you stress a plant further that's ceased growing by topping or tying your plant down, you are supposed to top a healthy plant. Personally I would wait.

His leaves are curling because it was over fed. Drop the nutes and wait. Make sure your resivours are in prestine condition because if pests and virus were ever to strike your set up it would be now. They like to hit you when your down and your plants immune system is low. I have dealt with slow growth and the claw flush adjust wait they will straighten out.

PS. Hows the deficiency is it spreading still?

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im doing a DWC system..it was saying theres no need to flush just adjust, BUT I went and flushed anyway to get anything out of my hydrorocks..I did that and the ppms with clean water were 100 after flush..(they were at 20 ppm before)...then I added my nutes with new measurements which were....gro micro bloom ..3ml/g..2ml/g...1ml/g...I was doing all 1ml/g before all this and they were doing fine...when I shot to 1200 ppm 15ml/g 10/ml/g 5ml/g is when all this claw business started...the heat stress was over when I turned the temp down to 74..taco effect stll a little in play about to just leave it alone unless it gets worse...the NUTE DEFIENCEY is still alittle bit visible but didn't really progress...it was slightly on 1 or 2 leaves on the plant ..id say like 5% or less. And it looks like its not getting any worse..here's a pic now ...u cant see the deficiency in the pic this camera sucks..

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you don't HAVE to top or supercrop etc. I once experimented and cut every branch off a plant as i vegged / budded it and grew a monster baseball bat sized bud probably 4 foot long and softball sized at the bottom and it was delicious the only down side was the giant fatty stem in the middle . lol....are you vegging or trying to bud? cuz if your plants are stretching that bad under hps im assuming your trying to veg it under there u have huge node spacing dude get a halide bulb to veg... use less nutes till they r bigger... the last pics you showed are consistent with either over or under watering... their leaves shouldn't be that droopy. sorry im a little buzzed

ninezeroseven said:

you don't HAVE to top or supercrop etc. I once experimented and cut every branch off a plant as i vegged / budded it and grew a monster baseball bat sized bud probably 4 foot long and softball sized at the bottom and it was delicious the only down side was the giant fatty stem in the middle . lol....are you vegging or trying to bud? cuz if your plants are stretching that bad under hps im assuming your trying to veg it under there u have huge node spacing dude get a halide bulb to veg... use less nutes till they r bigger... the last pics you showed are consistent with either over or under watering... their leaves shouldn't be that droopy. sorry im a little buzzed

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I agree totally now that I can see a detailed photo you are definetly over watering like I suggested earlier I do not think you are getting enough oxygen in your root zone your not letting your plant breath efficiently and it is slowly dying not to mention the lack of D.O is causing your nutrient problems. The guy at the hydro shop suggested you use the one pump I'm suggesting you double up. You can never get to much oxygen in dwc. Healthy roots = healthy leaves.

youngbuzz101 said:

I agree totally now that I can see a detailed photo you are definetly over watering like I suggested earlier I do not think you are getting enough oxygen in your root zone your not letting your plant breath efficiently and it is slowly dying not to mention the lack of D.O is causing your nutrient problems. The guy at the hydro shop suggested you use the one pump I'm suggesting you double up. You can never get to much oxygen in dwc. Healthy roots = healthy leaves.

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I don't know how long it takes but ive tried everything to get rid of this claw business..i adjusted my PPMS ..I don't kno if it takes longer than a couple days but its day 3 today that I changed it and they don't seem to be reacting too much... I even lowered the ppms to 400 now ..but I did bring them to 1200 from 300 and they obviously had a reaction as you can see with the orange dots..now the claw..i did so many things at one time I cant figure out which one caused it lowered lights, changed room temp, changed ppms.changed them back..started a new cycle from...1ml/g 1ml/g 1ml/g micro grow bloom..as seedlings that's when they were at 300-400...then started a new feeding 15ml...10ml/g..5ml...that's when it shoot up to 1200...did 3ml/g...2ml/g..1ml/g..and its at 500 I brought it down to 400 ...ph is at a consist 5.8 sometimes itl go to 6.0 cus I missed a feeding but that's it...

as far as over or under watering...I forgot to put it ina 4by 4 cube before adding it to the rocks..so its in the smaller cubes in rocks..idk if that makes it dry faster but I had it at 4 times a day every 6 hours...n before the feeding I could feel the cube completely dry...and that was before I even brought the lights down...so I went to 5 times a day right about the same time the claw started as well..so I decided to give it a change to see what happends...im waiting another day or 2 too see if they don't change...they are looking a little better since the ppm change but not the drastic change im hoping to see..they are not looking like they are supposed to..their really clawing bad..and its effecting their growth..their in week 5 of veg and their only at 2 feet if even that on some of them...I feel like they should be double in size...I can figure out what this clawing is..and no1 seems to know either ...im gunna try the watering thing and see what happened ..if they don't get better I don't know what to do im lost right now...ive tried to water less and the leaves looked like they were drying up a little ..not dropping but getting dry like crunchy..coulda been something less so il give it a try for a couple days see what hapends..im guna post more pictures..CAN ANYONE OUT THERE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THIS IS....." "

why are you suggesting to add another pump im confused..you mean add a random pump in my rezzy just pumping into it? I have that so it mixes the nuts..i have another one for the water chiller..and then one for the brain.....im just confused i remember you mention to add a bigger pump or a 2nd one to pump the water into the bucket faster..but i don't see how tha creates more oxygen...i went to the hydro store and just got this thing..air disc..supposed to generate oxygen in the rezzy...im gunna add it to one of my rezzys n see if it makes a difference ...n i also bringing down the water feeding to 4 times a day, fuck it whats the worst that could hapopend , they cant dry up getting fed 4 times a day..so if they look worse il just go back...heres a pic of the air disc " "

youngbuzz101 said:

I agree totally now that I can see a detailed photo you are definetly over watering like I suggested earlier I do not think you are getting enough oxygen in your root zone your not letting your plant breath efficiently and it is slowly dying not to mention the lack of D.O is causing your nutrient problems. The guy at the hydro shop suggested you use the one pump I'm suggesting you double up. You can never get to much oxygen in dwc. Healthy roots = healthy leaves.

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hey man, sorry if I confused you. I meant instead of having all your buckets hooked up to one air pump your could split it up into two that way there is more pressure in each bucket. Making more oxygen available to your plants. If you don't believe thats neccessary then don't I'm just giving you suggestions.

With that airstone what is the bubble diameter released. It doesn't matter to much but a stone that release a fine mist of bubbles is more efficient for your plants less oxygen is wasted and the plant is able to use mist bubbles easier than big bubbles.. if that makes sense to you. The bigger the bubble the more surface area it creates the more oxygen that makes it to the top of your res and releases to the air before the plant can use it. Not a biggie and not worth worrying about just a little information you might be able to use in the future.

You said you were doing Deep water culture.. why are you feeding 4+ times a day. Are you running drip lines to each plant? Take pictures of your complete set up so I can see wtf your talking about lol. Show me the system step by step every bodies set ups are different and the smallest variation could be whats making all the difference. And I don't think your cubes should be dry in hydroponics you don't want them drenched but moist is key if they are dry water is not consistently going to the root zone which is damaging your roots and is reflected on top growth. Is there water in the bottom of each plant pot and is it aerated? Or are you just pumping water thats been oxygenated through out each pot.

If we fixed your issue, You would have seen some perking leaves by now. Here is an image of my garden today.. its soil but I had the same issue with you and the droopy claw about a week ago is when I made my alterations by flushing my pots of excess nitrogen.

I think your method of dwc is different from mine. I don't know whats the best way to fix your situation. but I do know the problem is too much nutrients and too little oxygen.

My version of dwc is simplified consists of a bucket, airstone, netpot, water filled to inch below the net pot. The air stone aerates that water so the roots can stay submerged nutrients is added weekly not 5 times a day and is monitored purely on intake or lack thereof. It looks like you took a complicated way.. and you might regret that I am sorry bro! No one is helping because I don't think there is much we can do on our end. Your problem is flow both air and nutrient the claw is a combination of to much nutrients and too little oxygen. They are definitely not under watered because there is no wilt, you are over watering them and if you are watering the right amount of times as is suggested for your type of hydroponics then clearly they your feed has too little oxygen in it and the plants are drowning with each feed.

See for me it was the same, except soil so my soil wasn't draining quick enough which cause my soil to stay moist which means...less oxygen available at the root zone causing the droop plus, the fact that my stupid choice in substrate allowed nutrients to linger in my soil for too long causing a spike in N which started the curl. My plants looked like yours but my soil was easier to correct than your elaborate set up.

youngbuzz101 said:

hey man, sorry if I confused you. I meant instead of having all your buckets hooked up to one air pump your could split it up into two that way there is more pressure in each bucket. Making more oxygen available to your plants. If you don't believe thats neccessary then don't I'm just giving you suggestions.

With that airstone what is the bubble diameter released. It doesn't matter to much but a stone that release a fine mist of bubbles is more efficient for your plants less oxygen is wasted and the plant is able to use mist bubbles easier than big bubbles.. if that makes sense to you. The bigger the bubble the more surface area it creates the more oxygen that makes it to the top of your res and releases to the air before the plant can use it. Not a biggie and not worth worrying about just a little information you might be able to use in the future.

You said you were doing Deep water culture.. why are you feeding 4+ times a day. Are you running drip lines to each plant? Take pictures of your complete set up so I can see wtf your talking about lol. Show me the system step by step every bodies set ups are different and the smallest variation could be whats making all the difference. And I don't think your cubes should be dry in hydroponics you don't want them drenched but moist is key if they are dry water is not consistently going to the root zone which is damaging your roots and is reflected on top growth. Is there water in the bottom of each plant pot and is it aerated? Or are you just pumping water thats been oxygenated through out each pot.

If we fixed your issue, You would have seen some perking leaves by now. Here is an image of my garden today.. its soil but I had the same issue with you and the droopy claw about a week ago is when I made my alterations by flushing my pots of excess nitrogen.

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oh ok u mean put 2 air pumps in my rezzy so it has double oxygen...all my buckets are hooked up to the brain and its the GREENTREES system ..the newest one with the round buckets...and I have 36 buckets to one brain and one rezzy ...

I bought and airpump with 2 outlets and hooked up 2 aitstones too them instead and never used the airdisc...put the lights higher to get them to stretch I need them as tall as possible im tryna flip em at 4 feet or so my lights go all the way to the ceiling..

also my water was stanking so I got a enzyte thing that breaks down all that shit inmy rezzy ...got myboy to give me a new formula...doing

3ml/g of micro bloom and gro...2.5 diamond...2 flora licious 2 florablend 2calmag 1.5protex...5 hydroenzte

youngbuzz101 said:

I think your method of dwc is different from mine. I don't know whats the best way to fix your situation. but I do know the problem is too much nutrients and too little oxygen. Maybe your system isn't thoroughly soaking your plants possibly a lack of pressure. So not enough solution is running through to flush as it feeds meaning maybe you have build up of salts too quickly. Just a though check your pots for residue.

My version of dwc is simplified consists of a bucket, airstone, netpot, water filled to inch below the net pot. The air stone aerates that water so the roots can stay submerged nutrients is added weekly not 5 times a day and is monitored purely on intake or lack thereof. It looks like you took a complicated way.. and you might regret that I am sorry bro! No one is helping because I don't think there is much we can do on our end. Your problem is flow both air and nutrient the claw is a combination of to much nutrients and too little oxygen.

See for me it was the same, except soil so my soil wasn't draining quick enough which cause my soil to stay moist which means...less oxygen available at the root zone causing the droop plus, the fact that my stupid choice in substrate allowed nutrients to linger in my soil for too long causing a spike in N which started the curl. My plants looked like yours but my soil was easier to correct than your elaborate set up.

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ya it deff was a nute problem I nuked em n their just taking long to come back...I took out all the fan leaves only left a few to get them to focus on regrowth instead..

36 buckets? Is this your first dwc grow? Do you have an airstone in each bucket?

And "yourboy" gave you a formula for dwc with floralicious in it? Uhh ohhhhh!

delowkey said:

.I took out all the fan leaves only left a few to get them to focus on regrowth instead..

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Uhhhhh....




What?

Yeah its his first and im trying hard not to make him lose everything he's got.

SnaFuu said:

36 buckets? Is this your first dwc grow? Do you have an airstone in each bucket?

And "yourboy" gave you a formula for dwc with floralicious in it? Uhh ohhhhh!

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