skinny buds?? first time nft please look and help if u can

budolskie

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Well my first time in nft about 5 weeks into flower very healthy plants by looks of leaves but not the buds,

Only thing I can think is there to close to bulb??

Next time I'm lowering the raised floor to give me 10" extra and put a net 10" above tubes

Any input would be great thanks as I don't really no how it's happened IMG_20151123_070918.jpg

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budolskie

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I'm trying a new strain next and will have a net to control the canopy so fingers crossed it's better then this run
 

WestDenverPioneer

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Some strains dont do well in hydro.
That's just nonsense. Blame the grower, not the plant.

I'm sure the plant has no problem with hydro.
It appears to be receiving too much nitrogen and not enough phosphorous.
Or... it could be receiving the proper amounts in solution but at the wrong pH.
Change the pH of your solution SLOWLY until you find what your plant likes. Then you will have green stems instead of red stems (deficiency) and your buds will be bigger because the plant is jamming.
Good luck
 

WestDenverPioneer

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Better canopy management would also give you bigger buds. Your grow doesn't look controlled. Some stalks are much taller than others and some are not receiving much light at all. This forces you to raise your light for just a few buds while leaving the rest behind.
 

budolskie

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Thanks for your help, I started with my ppm at 400 and worked upto 750 ph vary from 5.2 when I top tank and raises above 5.5 the day after then roughly stays about 5.8-6.0

Also will have a net next time to train canopy
And this my first try hydro

Soil is OK day50 IMG_20151123_122450.jpg
 

Alienwidow

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That's just nonsense. Blame the grower, not the plant.

I'm sure the plant has no problem with hydro.
It appears to be receiving too much nitrogen and not enough phosphorous.
Or... it could be receiving the proper amounts in solution but at the wrong pH.
Change the pH of your solution SLOWLY until you find what your plant likes. Then you will have green stems instead of red stems (deficiency) and your buds will be bigger because the plant is jamming.
Good luck
No. Your wrong. Its probably grower error but what i said is true buddy boy. Some strains dont like a hydro. Take a killer strain outta soil and see how she does on a water board, some thrive, and some do sub par. I figured youd know that by now pro styles. And if you looked at his previous plant and asked about the new method before spouting some generic one liners youd probably have a better idea of what your talking about. Got a solution for him yet? Cause phosphorus and ph arent going to slow growth that much. How about the four site nft and minimal root space since his last grow? Hows his water cycle going? Continuous or pump on and off? How many times a day? What ppms? Have you even asked a question or are you running the same system and nutrients he is?, and know whay ppms hes been running? Do you even know how big his light is? Superthrive? Fuck no. You don't know anything. But wait, so you say its ph right. Pfffffff. Ok.
 

WestDenverPioneer

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But wait, so you say its ph right. Pfffffff. Ok.
Just because I was able to identify the problem and be able to correct it immediately does not mean I did not think about other factors. The factors you mentioned were not worth mentioning because they were not and are not part of the problem. If you knew what you were talking about you would realize the problem is associated with the pH and the plant being unable to uptake the nutrients the plant needs/desires.

It is the pH.
Solution of 5.2 - 5.5 and then settling at 6.0.. you will see those red stems in many strains. 5.2 is 80-times more acidic than 6.0. It's not a little bit of a difference, its a lot. I would slowly work UP to 6.2-6.5 and see if the solution stays there (ppm's coming down with less pH drift) or if it drifts back to 6.0. The red stem issue should go away (on new leaves) and the buds will fill in more because the plant will be jamming.
The problem with nft is changes to the system affect everything in the system. Sometimes having separate systems is helpful to learn and experiment without affecting the entire crop. All of your eggs are in one basket so go slowly with pH adjustments. Nutrients of 750ppm are also a little on the low side but I would adjust pH first, and then increase the ppms. Get the pH resolved and then you can feed them more.
 

Alienwidow

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Just because I was able to identify the problem and be able to correct it immediately does not mean I did not think about other factors. The factors you mentioned were not worth mentioning because they were not and are not part of the problem. If you knew what you were talking about you would realize the problem is associated with the pH and the plant being unable to uptake the nutrients the plant needs/desires.

It is the pH.
Solution of 5.2 - 5.5 and then settling at 6.0.. you will see those red stems in many strains. 5.2 is 80-times more acidic than 6.0. It's not a little bit of a difference, its a lot. I would slowly work UP to 6.2-6.5 and see if the solution stays there (ppm's coming down with less pH drift) or if it drifts back to 6.0. The red stem issue should go away (on new leaves) and the buds will fill in more because the plant will be jamming.
The problem with nft is changes to the system affect everything in the system. Sometimes having separate systems is helpful to learn and experiment without affecting the entire crop. All of your eggs are in one basket so go slowly with pH adjustments. Nutrients of 750ppm are also a little on the low side but I would adjust pH first, and then increase the ppms. Get the pH resolved and then you can feed them more.
Ive run hydro with a starting ph of 8 and it swung to 10 at two week rez changes. Plants looked a lot better than buds do right now. Like 80 times better. This is not a .6-.8 ph off of perfect thats causing this. You are wrong.
 

budolskie

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well see what turns out of them and next run i will have a net to train them....

also
ionic nutes
cal mag
flower burst
pump 24/7
2 air stones in res
4" pvc pipes 70cl in length

stream sits about 5cm high in tubes as i need to adjust this next time aswell to make a shallower stream.....
 

Alienwidow

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well see what turns out of them and next run i will have a net to train them....

also
ionic nutes
cal mag
flower burst
pump 24/7
2 air stones in res
4" pvc pipes 70cl in length

stream sits about 5cm high in tubes as i need to adjust this next time aswell to make a shallower stream.....
what drew you to nft vs dwc? I always thought nft was for smaller sog style grows vs small gardens. You probably have everything you need for dwc besides black buckets and 6" net lids for them if you ever wanted to try it. I bet that chunky plant would be just as chunky with a 4 gallon root ball.
 

budolskie

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My closet is 90x90cm and with 2.4m in height would a dwc better?

I just wanted to try hydro for bigger yields then hopefully get a hydro up and running in my tent once I'm confident I can run it smoothly and get nice returns
 

Alienwidow

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My closet is 90x90cm and with 2.4m in height would a dwc better?

I just wanted to try hydro for bigger yields then hopefully get a hydro up and running in my tent once I'm confident I can run it smoothly and get nice returns
DWC is the easiest hydro i think. Fast moving, consistant, great yields, and simple. I have only seen what small skinny buds like that once in a dwc from a crap strain. Rdwc is the best yielding system ive seen run. 2.5 lbs a light on de lights.
 

budolskie

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I will look into that for my space how many u recommend for my space a 600 I have a gets upto 29c but its dimmable
 

Major Blazer

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what drew you to nft vs dwc? I always thought nft was for smaller sog style grows vs small gardens.
I have the same feelings towards NFT vs DWC. NFT seems great for speed and efficiency in a SOG style perpetual grow and if my setup ever expands, I intend on experimenting with it. After mapping it all out, a ScrOG'd DWC system seemed easier (from the perspective of maintenance) and will give me a bigger yield given the space, albeit more time is necessary to veg and train.
 
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