Sickmeds William's Wonder: grow journal. review and all things Wiliams Wonder

Hey Jogro & W-W fans, I completed my William's Wonder indoor soil grow, harvest and cure and along with three friends blazed the first number before heading out to a club last Friday night. But first here are the highs and lows of my grow...100% germ on ten beans in Rapid Rooters in sixteen ounce cups. Two weeks under 24hr T-5s. Transplant into gallons under Hydro Grow 189X LED 18/6 cycle. At four weeks top (and clone) to train for eight colas...I use the "hub" method which is similar to "Mainlining" that "nugbucket" journaled here on RIU. I veg for eight weeks after transplant to gallons. At six weeks into veg sex and transplant to seven gallon Smart Pots...Yeah, I know it can be done faster and in smaller containers...Different Strokes...Only three fems but all three very similar no visual pheno differentiation...Into flower tent under Kessil h150 magenta LEDs. Each plant has a dedicated Kessil...Here is the point where I wish I had followed Jogro's journal thread here...I, too, got monecious "nanners"...No biggie for me; it happens with early generation hybrids just pick em...Well, turns out I missed at least one somewhere and I got "INSEMINATED"...Still, not a big deal to me...Harvested at 65 days, about 30% amber. Colas about 16-18 inches. Manicured yield about 90gm/plant and it sure stinks...Now to the buz factor...Four of us passed around a "fattie" and drove to hear a local band. Had a beer a piece during first set...Off to parking lot to blaze another number between sets...About three tunes into the second set one of my friends nods off and the club manager says we need to leave by cab...I wanted to say something to the manager but couldn't talk...We got my passed out friend (who is now comatose) out of the cab and into his house laid out on the sofa...I was next home but could not find my house key on my keyring...Driver got out of the cab found the key and let me in my own house...Then all of a sudden it was Saturday...I have not been that paralyzed in a while...W-W is strong medicine; definitely body numbing and good night time soporific...Not my idea of a club drug...Yes, I am going to plant the s33ds...FWIW

Hey Jogro Nice grow and review of the strain, interested in this one myself
nice to smoke those old strains again

peace

Very nice!

Jogro said:

So. . .remember this?
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Here she is again, after topping, vegging to about 10" tall, opening up the two sides of the "Y" a little bit, then flowering for 68 days at 12-12 under half of a 250WHPS. That's the same conditions as before, just less veg development (that was on purpose, I wanted to see what would happen starting from a small clone here). I deliberately extended the flowering time a few days; we'll see if it makes any different in quality later. Also, didn't strip off the fan leaves prior to taking the images, the way I did last grow.

Plants is just short, compact, and bushy, with the weight of the lower colas helping to bend the stems down and keep them horizontal. As you can see, the entire plant is only 20" tall at the end of flowering, measured from soil to top, or 18" from the rim of the 3 gallon pot. With a plant this short and dense, kind of makes me wonder why people bother with autoflowers indoors.

Scent is super strong. . .more intense than last time (and it was pretty strong then). Not sure if its because of increased temps, or longer flowering time, or probably both, but this time it was pushing through my odor control and starting to make me a little nervous. This is NOT a low odor plant!

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Yes, got a little bit more purple this time, though it was only on a few colas, and just on the end fan leaves, not the buds. This has to be a nute thing; temps really didn't any colder than last time. As mentioned in the last post, this time I got a lot more LOT more bananas the last 2-3 weeks. Unlike last time where I only had a few scattered clusters, this time all of the large buds showed some at the ends, though again, I didn't see any actual pollen formation or a single ceed and its possible they're sterile. This is probably partly genetic, but I also I attribute it to overheating due to temporary vent issues; temps got into high 80s for a while:

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And the "extreme closeup", showing the impressive resin development. This shot was taken a few days before the chop:
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By the looks of the nanners they're a bit from popping open anyhow. With the Diesels you get them often too, not only on fem plants either but they hardly ever open. The real problem 'herms' are the ones that spray your room with pollen at week 6 :/ That just SUCKS.

Thanks for a nice report, I've also only heard the greatest reviews from smokers, a few friends in the UK have been talking my ears off about this girl. I'll HAVE to order some. Something this short and fat is a bit of a dream plant for me, nanners be damned.

Mad Hamish said:

By the looks of the nanners they're a bit from popping open anyhow. With the Diesels you get them often too, not only on fem plants either but they hardly ever open. The real problem 'herms' are the ones that spray your room with pollen at week 6 :/ That just SUCKS.

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I think if you mistreated one of these you could probably get early bananas that would fertilize your plants, but I still haven't seen an actual seed yet.

To tell the truth, I wouldn't mind a few VIABLE ceeds, that would be a plus! But as you say a late fertilization that resulted in a whole bunch of immature ceeds would suck bad.

Thanks for a nice report, I've also only heard the greatest reviews from smokers, a few friends in the UK have been talking my ears off about this girl. I'll HAVE to order some. Something this short and fat is a bit of a dream plant for me, nanners be damned.

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You're welcome.

I've also heard from several other sources that this one is really quite the fad right now in the UK, probably explaining why its usually sold out.

If you get it, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

From the Skunk thread:

kona gold said:

So, like you, i was always interested in finding the original Williams Wonde, and got some just popped up yesterday....all ten beans vigoriously sprouted. So when i was parousing your grow report.....it seemed like you only started a couple beanz....is that correct? Do you think you found a good pheno....cause i remember that stuff was strong!

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Williams Wonder is a classic "heirloom" inbred line. You're not going to see much pheno variation.

Since that original report, I've grown several of these. Pheno variation is really minimal; every plant I've grown has been similar, and every one has been good. The only external difference I've seen between them is some difference in height, but even there, not much. I have seen some difference in hermie-proneness and potency (in particular "stoniness") between individual plants, but that may well be attributable to grow conditions rather than genetics. . .don't know, and short of controlled trials/lab testing, there is no real way for me to know.

I think you'll be more than satisified with this one. Odor is strong (and yes, the plant is actually "skunky" early in veg), yield, resin content, and potency are all high. Just keep your eyes peeled for hermies late in flower. Also, this one will benefit from long veg time since the plant barely doubles in height all through flowering, and stays nice and squat, more veg will increase your yields without height issues.

If you're so inclined, this one is really THE classic early "sea of green" plant, so if you wanted to grow as multiple small single-cola plants over your grow space, I think you'll be pleased.

Also, if you don't mind, whenever you get around to it, could you post your impressions of the line (good, bad, or indifferent) here? Yield, potency, issues, whatever. I think the more opinions, the better.

pretty amazing grow. im a first time grower. im broke and.didnt know about cfl before getting lights. I picked up some cheap old jym (400w MH) lights. and my first plant is about ready. I dont have any huge colas. and about a 1/3 of the bud have. my plant is 27" also. im pretty bumed. Im growing headband and hooe to get better flowering lights soon!!!!! good luck with your grow. happy growing!!!

Stickslivin said:

pretty amazing grow. im a first time grower. im broke and.didnt know about cfl before getting lights. I picked up some cheap old jym (400w MH) lights. and my first plant is about ready. I dont have any huge colas. and about a 1/3 of the bud have. my plant is 27" also. im pretty bumed. Im growing headband and hooe to get better flowering lights soon!!!!! good luck with your grow. happy growing!!!

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This is getting way off topic, but

-400W metal halide lamp isn't "the best", but its perfectly fine to grow under, and something like that is still probably better overall than a mini-setup using CFLs. You can take a plant from ceed to harvest under a metal halide lamp, and people do it, but you'll do a bit better in terms of bud density and yield if you use an HPS lamp instead of an MH one during flowering.

-You can buy an HPS "conversion" bulb that will let you run an HPS lamp in your MH setup. For example, something like this: http://4hydroponics.com/plantmax-hps-conversion-bulb-360w This should give you all the benefit of HPS (which most pros use and most agree is still the standard for indoor flowering), and is still probably cheaper than buying a new ballast/lamp. Extra cost here isn't going to be that much since you will eventually have to replace your MH bulb anyway.

-In this case, I suspect the results you had were probably more about your lack of experience and the genetics you selected, rather than deficiency in light spectrum. With experience, you'll do better with later grows after your first one.

Just started 10 of these.......10/10 popped and they're on their way. Nice job Jogro........I'll try and do them justice. I'll post some pic's on their development as they get larger.

Just heard through the grapevine that Sickmeds has just shipped out "Wonder Kush", its first new commercial Williams Wonder hybrid.

Regular s-eeds should be available through the usual outlets over the next week or so.

Wonder Kush is Jedi Kush F3 x Williams Wonder, so its a mix between old and new potent indicas.

This should have the same overall high potency as the Williams Wonder (roughly 23% total cannabinoids), but with better flavor and a slightly less "couchlocky" profile. If you like potent indicas and/or kushes, this is definitely worth checking out. I will be growing this out within a few months and posting a formal report here.

Also, after being sold out nearly everywhere for several months, the original Williams Wonder is being restocked at the same time. So if you've been waiting to get some, you should be able to find some in stock pretty soon.

Jogro said:

Just heard through the grapevine that Sickmeds has just shipped out "Wonder Kush", its first new commercial Williams Wonder hybrid.

Regular s-eeds should be available through the usual outlets over the next week or so.

Wonder Kush is Jedi Kush F3 x Williams Wonder, so its a mix between old and new potent indicas.

This should have the same overall high potency as the Williams Wonder (roughly 23% total cannabinoids), but with better flavor and a slightly less "couchlocky" profile. If you like potent indicas and/or kushes, this is definitely worth checking out. I will be growing this out within a few months and posting a formal report here.

Also, after being sold out nearly everywhere for several months, the original Williams Wonder is being restocked at the same time. So if you've been waiting to get some, you should be able to find some in stock pretty soon.

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JOGRO....This was a OUTSTANDING journal. Great job...very detailed and to the point! I enjoyed it very much. PROPS AMIGO!!

Bear

Here's my ten plants.........about 3 weeks into veg. Very healthy, uniform, etc. I'll probably give them all a pinch or two to bush them out a bit, and then flower them at around 30-35 days. Hope I get at least 5 females.........

I thought I'd throw in these are 10 of the nicest looking plants (at this stage) I've grown in years, and I grow out 4 large crops a year. I'm pinching today and future pic's will follow shortly.

Took a decent pic last night....... these really do look better at this stage then most everything I've done in quite a while. It may mean nothing, but then again it may mean everything. Time will tell.

id like to try that wonder kush, i see they used the jedi kush worked to f3 for the cross to WW. sounds worthy....

Who is breeding that?

SSHZ said:

Took a decent pic last night....... these really do look better at this stage then most everything I've done in quite a while. It may mean nothing, but then again it may mean everything. Time will tell.

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Those look great; super short and bushy. FWIW, all the ones I grew looked similar.

greenghost420 said:

id like to try that wonder kush, i see they used the jedi kush worked to f3 for the cross to WW. sounds worthy....

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IIRC, there are already test reports of this posted on at least one British grow site, and in summary, I think they said it improved the flavor on Williams Wonder a bit and reduced the "couchlock" without reducing overall potency. You can "Google" Sickmeds Wonder Kush and see what you get.

I actually started a test grow on this, but ran into problems (unrelated to the strain itself) and had to stop the grow. But it is next in my queue. When I get this one going again, I'll post a report.

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Who is breeding that?

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If you mean the Wonder Kush, Sickmeds made this cross, and as of the time of this post, it now actually is available for commercial purchase if you want to get some. Again, this is his Williams Wonder x Cali Connection Jedi Kush F3.

If you're asking who did the selection to create the Jedi Kush F3, I don't know. Either Sickmeds bred it internally, or it was "borrowed" it from someone else. Reddog from Sickmeds does actually occasionally come by and take a look at this thread, so maybe he can answer directly.

i saw for sale on herbies i believe...

Hey Jogro.........since you're on.......do you know anything about SickMed's Hash Plant X Green Crack? I have a 5 or 6 pack of these but didn't want to waste the space until I knew more about them????????

The W.W. just keeps getting nicer and nicer.........