Should I start pre - harvest flush?

AtownSmoker

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I'm in week 6 of flowering. Big Bang Fem by greenhouse seeds. In fox farm ocean forest. T5 cfl. First grow. Should I start my 2 week flush? I've been using ff trio nutes. Also, should I still add calmag plus to my water during flush? I've been using RO water the whole grow. And have been using the calmag full strength with every watering since week 3. Thanks in advanced. These pics were taken 3 days ago.

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flower pharm

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flushing is to get extra salts and build up of fert. out of the soil or rockwool or whatever ur growing in for the taste and so it burns clean.smoking salt is bad.and no not ready yet dont know the breed but i know weed and looks like 2 wks till a 7 day fush,be patient or youll be pissed
 

flower pharm

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plants look great let them grow i know its hard, stop looking at them they can feel what your thinking!you will be amazed at how much they will swell up twice what they are now.flush 2 or 3 times in the last week.nice job.
 

AtownSmoker

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your leaves disagree with you.. but hey what would I know

salt taste lol
Oh the few leaves that are showing a little yellowing? I may be a noob but I've read many times not to give the plant anything until it "asks" Thanks tho... And really. Salt taste? Quit insulting people's intelligence. Just because you might not be able to taste it doesn't mean other people don't notice... and btw I didn't ask anyone's opinion on my leaf situation. So please stop trolling my thread.

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Sand4x105

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I may be a noob

Thanks tho... And really. Salt taste?

Quit insulting people's intelligence. Just because you might not be able to taste it doesn't mean other people don't notice...

So please stop trolling my thread.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-indoor-t5-cfl-power-flower-fem.801482/page-7#post-10442381
Seriously, this is not "Trolling" your thread...
It is just when someone says something so, "Nebie-ish" some of must answer...
Salt taste... Have you tasted it before?
Newbie: You have now insulted all of our collective intelligence....

You can not get the "Salt Taste" out by flushing your roots...
You can not make your buds better by flushing...
You have been sold a line of BS...

It is my guess someone at your local Hydro store told/sold you on flushing....

Don't feel embarrassed.... don't get mad... lots of people, will sell you, or try to sell you products in your life that will take your money....

If you brought your car into a Tire shop, and the wanted to sell you some yearly "Muffler Bearing Cleaner"

Cheap, two part system, and will for sure make your car run better, would you buy it?

Just, explain to me in a short logical statement, how would flushing your roots, help the taste of your buds...

You're gonna smoke some root?
 

bird mcbride

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I do my flush doing the last 24 hours in RO water with the roots off.
Sounds like you got it figured with the cal/mag and the RO water in the ffof:)
 

JointOperation

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sorry but the NEWB here.. is whoever doesnt flush.. sorry but i did side by sides.. for 3 years.. blind testing on 22 people.. AND EVERY SINGLE person.. picked the flushed over the non flushed.. and ya.. u can taste it for sure.. i wana be tasting TERPENES and buds.. not excess salt build up..

if ur not pulling in the dark.. your buds arent as smooth either..

u know when the lights are off.. the sugars and starches go back into the roots to be used when the lights are on..

getting rid of those sugars starches.. chlorophylll is all about flushing.. a slow dry.. and curing properly..

but i bet money.. that my uncured.. FLUSHED.. will be chosen over your unflushed buds that ill let u cure for 1 full month... right away.. its not about what some douchebag hydrostore money hungry fuck says.
 
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Commander Strax

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Oh the few leaves that are showing a little yellowing? I may be a noob but I've read many times not to give the plant anything until it "asks" Thanks tho... And really. Salt taste? Quit insulting people's intelligence. Just because you might not be able to taste it doesn't mean other people don't notice... and btw I didn't ask anyone's opinion on my leaf situation. So please stop trolling my thread.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-indoor-t5-cfl-power-flower-fem.801482/page-7#post-10442381
this is trolling

 

chuck estevez

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sorry but the NEWB here.. is whoever doesnt flush.. sorry but i did side by sides.. for 3 years.. blind testing on 22 people.. AND EVERY SINGLE person.. picked the flushed over the non flushed.. and ya.. u can taste it for sure.. i wana be tasting TERPENES and buds.. not excess salt build up..

if ur not pulling in the dark.. your buds arent as smooth either.. ITS SCIENCE DICK
My side by sides say the exact opposite, so what now?
 

JointOperation

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dude im not here to have people start shit with me. .. sorry but.. to the dude who started this thread.. wait another week or 2 before flushing.. look at these buds. this was 2 days before i started the flush.. some clear trichs.. and more cloudy.. waiting.. to pull when its almost 100% cloudy.. my customers and myself like our bud DONE.. and as close to ripe as possible.. with as few clear and ambers as possible.. kiwi skunk x og18xskunk 1 B 16.jpg
 

JointOperation

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im not trying to be a dick but. honestly.. i know dudes who been growing for 20 years.. never flushed a day until they started buying my weed when they ran out.. and wanted to know how the hell my bud came out soooo smooth and u can actually TASTE bud the entire way down a joint.. my roach weed tastes better then most the commercial unflushed BS thats on the market..

im not saying to flush because im trying to push a flushing product down your throat to make myself money.. im trying to HELP new growers understand.. that alot of the info we receive on the internet.. and in marijuana grow books and even high times.. or skunk mag.. alot of the info we recieve is MISINFORMATION..

alot of great growers... meet younger growers.. and realize we younger growers are doing more experiments within cannabis growing.. drying curing.. and extracting.. and we are just now begining to understand more about this plant.. but still theres tons of BS on the net.. about everything.. from wet trimming and dry trimming.. to flushing or not flushing.. to MH vs HPS.. to LEDS.. growing is taking off in a whole new direction.. and we are evolving.. and learning and understanding new techniques that older growers might think are useless or a waste of time.. but then again.. our WEED is STRONGER THEN EVER... n its only getting better.. and better..

but if we dont realize.. theres different ways to do EVERYTHING.. and every ENVIRONMENT wether its GROW ENVIRONMENT or DRYING ENVIRONMENT. it has different effects on how the buds come out.. if u told a farmer in a different country.. that you could take a piece of leaf.. and tissue culture that exact plant.. back home.. they wouldnt believe you..

or if u sit down with a bunch of 80 year old men and women.. and told them how weed isnt like REEFER MADNESS and its not a GATEWAY DRUG.. and its harmless doesnt kill brain cells and helps tumors and can cure cancers.. they wouldnt believe you either..

its the way we grew up in this country.. we believe what others tell us,. even if they dont have the correct information.. we still think they know what there talking about... and thats the cause of all the issues we have with this plant.. the lies took over.. and we cant get to the truth. with out extensive research.. and until its LEGAL.. no big businesses will be able to get approved to do any research or get grants to do the research..

sorry for writing a book. but there are many ways to skin a cat as they say.. and my way my be different then yours.. and so on.. but we do not need to argue about it .. we can come together.. and find out which information is correct.. so we know next time.. and learn from it.. thats all...

chuck estevez im not trying to start shit with u in any way.. but for me. .Flushing is NESS. ive pulled plants without flushing.. and nothing compared to flushed.. nothing.. and still i try it here and there.. and i try other side by sides that i see people having different results then i had.. but still no change in the flush vs no flush. so ill continue to do my thing.. u do yours. and we are GOOD TO GO .
 

qwizoking

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I see your long post and raise.
I'll start at the beginning, just read it, I know kinda long and may encompass info you know. but I don't know of any accurate threads on curing
i use the "worst" nutes you can buy, meaning chemicals like miracle grow
but I know how nutes effect the plant and burn qualities, so I only look at types of nutes and ratios.no crackling here and black ash is a bad cure. I know your thinking it changes the flavor for the better..

When wood is heated anaerobically, it turns black as the water is driven off, leaving charcoal, or carbon, behind. When charcoal burns in air, the carbon combines with oxygen, producing carbon dioxide gas. But if you have ever used a charcoal grill,you will noticed that charcoal turns white as it burns. This white ash is what remains of the non-flammable minerals which were present in the wood to begin with. You don't really notice them until the carbon has burned away. These ashes have a composition which varies according to the kind of wood and the soil in which it grew, and it is this variable composition which marks ash as a mixture rather than apure substance.
Ash is literally the nutes. and once in the bud it's not going anywhere till it's broken down or used up within the plant.
that anaerobic burning is what causes butane lighters to produce soot or that black stuff if you put the flame under something, propane burns wonderfully clean but as you add carbon(butane pentane etc) it needs more oxygen, as you go up it won't burn properly unless you add an oxidizer.. this is also why BIC lighters are only about 500 degrees instead of 3500 or whatever butane likes to burn at..(bics design limits oxygen,if you have a torch for dabbing with an adjuster you know what I'm talking about)

...flushing is debated alot around here but its proven that it doesn't lower nutes in your bud, it causes the plant to form an abscission layer in the fan leaves(Google it) to preserve nutes in the bud, you'll notice the bud is last to yellow...
The white ash is literally the nutes and nutes are actually good and improve the burn qualities,yes my ash burns to white..potassium for example expands when hot and helps it burn much more efficiently.. calcium adds weight and mass to the ash while making it whiter but too much makes it flakey.. sulphur ,ammonical n and chlorinated nutes negatively impact burn qualities etc etc I mean the tobacco industry laid it all out for us already, we just have to modify how we cure as we are dealing with volatile compounds and understanding what we are after isn't a nitrate but phosphate(terpenes come from phosphates). No other crop is flushed wether grapes or tobacco so that you get the best burn, yield, quality and flavor..the cure is very important But fresh herb barely dry enough to smoke with no cure doesn't crackle much except for the moisture and resin but leaves it black. flushing is counterproductive imo and only serves to foxtail my landrace Sativas. nutrients are used and converted in the plant, it ends up the same thing


now about the flavor
the cure is important and the fowl taste associated with not flushing is simply a poor cure..a harsh hot acrid taste is from burning starches and chlorophyll....also associated with newbs overfeeding making the cure that much harder, flushing will help to lower n if you overfed..keeping the plant moist enough to stay alive and still maintain gas transfer..through this natural process of hydrolysis and respiration the components are broken down and becomes smooth..this process is known as the cure

Night and day difference in curing ..
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner tasting/cleaner feeling high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a higher ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
 

flower pharm

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holy crap what a load of non growing idiots. if youre not flushing youre just plain stupid.im not pushing any any product you fool .i flush w/plain water but i guess the guy at the hydro shop sold me on it!! good thing too.do u rinse off veg b4 u eat them.probably not im sure that just industry propaganda right?you dont need good weed to make concentrates do you?i have a feeling your talking about things youve ethier seen or read and not acctually done. if u dont flush ur leaving unwanted nutes in the weed.why not stripe ur papers w/miracle grow
 

flower pharm

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dude im not here to have people start shit with me. .. sorry but.. to the dude who started this thread.. wait another week or 2 before flushing.. look at these buds. this was 2 days before i started the flush.. some clear trichs.. and more cloudy.. waiting.. to pull when its almost 100% cloudy.. my customers and myself like our bud DONE.. and as close to ripe as possible.. with as few clear and ambers as possible.. View attachment 3144440
nice looks like my pineapple
 
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