Why is this other guy saying that they are starving?? I have not stopped feeding them and my pH is 6.3. Should I do something because I am confused because you said. They are looking good but this other guy is saying they look starving. Should I do something different or something that I am missing?
Should I flush for 3-7 days? (Indoor, soil)
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Thundercat
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Tough call this late in the game. Looking hungry usually means feeding more, but you also don't want to overdo it.I haven’t stopped feeling them my ph is 6.3, what should I do??
What are you feeding them and how much, and how often?
Tolerance Break
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Keep feeding, they'll be fine. Making big changes will only lead to big problems. Maybe incremental increase in feed, but I think you'll be fine. A little end of life stress isn't going to ruin your bud.
DeadHeadX
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I’d love to see a pic of the whole plant to see if you need to consider harvesting early. But I am not as fatalistic as that dude. Senescence is totally normal towards the end of a plant’s life. You might have been able to slow it down, but from what I’ve seen, you should have no issue making it to harvest. Some here do have a really strong reaction to “cannibalism” in an aging plant. Most of my plants will have some yellowing at the end, and I cut out the dying stuff, as you are encouraged to do. Let’s see the whole plant pic please, but I think you’re ok.
Tolerance Break
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To add to this. Consider turning down light intensity. I drop mine considerably, 20%-30% toward the end of a plants life, but every plant is different. Idk if it helps the leaves. They start eating less (hydro nutes) so I imagine they dont need as much light. Your experience may vary.
Thundercat
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That plant isn't at the end of life though, its got at least 4 more weeks before it would be properly finished if it was healthy. I'm not reacting "fatalistically" or strongly reacting to "cannabalism". I told him how it was, I didn't sugar coat it, and I asked him some questions to try to help.
That plant is starving, healthy plants don't cannibalize themselves more than a month before they are ripe(the OP said the first pictures were a wek old). Healthy, properly fed plants don't kill off their leaves while they are still trying to grow fresh buds. Getting some color fade at the very end during the ripening period wouldn't hurt anything. Starving plants for weeks will lower the potential you will get from them.
Patting new growers on the back and telling them their bud looks good is very nice.
However ignoring the obvious issues won't help them learn to do better. It won't help them understand the proper life cycle of a healthy plant. It won't help them understand why the yield and quality might not be what they hoped it would be.
DeadHeadX
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Surely, I’m not the expert here. But I’ve been in a similar place more than once and gotten good harvests. I do see some yellow leaves, but also see plenty of green, healthy looking growth to sustain the plant. Could it be better - of course. Will the plant survive a few more weeks? From what I see and from my limited experience, yes. Most of us improve with each grow. This one looks pretty decent for a first shot. I think she’ll make the finish line and produce some weed a first time grower can be happy with and learn from. I would like to see more whole plant pics too. But cut off a few yellow leaves and this one would look ok. That’s what many do before they post, I suspect.
Edited to add: my second grow here I posted some pics and based on some folks responses was suddenly paranoid that I needed to chop asap and start over. My plants were cannibals! Would have been terrible advice to chop. They limped their way to the finish line, but the final bud was fine. Coulda been better, but kept me where I needed to be till the next grow came in.
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Thundercat
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I didn't suggest chopping them, harvesting early is never my advice. I also never said the plant was junk or wouldn't produce something smokeable. I simply said that it wouldn't reach its full potential.
I also wasn't trying to scare the OP, but they need to understand how much longer that plant needs to grow, and that keeping your plants green and healthy is the goal. The last question I asked the OP was about their feed schedule to potentially offer some advice on they could learn from going forward.
jimihendrix1
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I agree plants look hungry. Its not normal to have that many yellow leaves at this stage. Plants should be green, and growing like hell. At this stage they should most likely be using the most fertilizer than theyve ever used in their lives.
Many also still believe in cutting back Nitrogen during flowering, when all thats needed is correct ratio. Right before, and mid bloom, is when plants will, or should use the most food, and water, as during this time, they will put on more mass, than they ever did during veg. Not counting producing more/different hormones, terpenes, ect.
All nitrogen is, is Protein. When humans eat chicken, fish, eggs ect, our bodies turn the protein of the flesh, into nitrogen/amino acids. Plants skip this process, unless you do like the Native Americans did and put a fish in your corn hole.
The big reason why Bodybuilders eat protein every 2-4 hours, and keep their bodies in Positive Nitrogen Retention, or your body will start catabolizing itself, for energy, just like the plant does. The leaves turn yellow, and eventually go necrotic.
Protein, means of first importance. Protein is responsible for every metabolic function, including cell mitosis/division., immune response. Supports creation of hormones, and all other chemicals.
Taking protein from a plant during flowering is like taking protein from a bodybuilder, or strength athlete, though marathoners have a great need for protein. Magnesium, Sulfur, and Calcium, are also extremely important.
Many also still believe in cutting back Nitrogen during flowering, when all thats needed is correct ratio. Right before, and mid bloom, is when plants will, or should use the most food, and water, as during this time, they will put on more mass, than they ever did during veg. Not counting producing more/different hormones, terpenes, ect.
All nitrogen is, is Protein. When humans eat chicken, fish, eggs ect, our bodies turn the protein of the flesh, into nitrogen/amino acids. Plants skip this process, unless you do like the Native Americans did and put a fish in your corn hole.
The big reason why Bodybuilders eat protein every 2-4 hours, and keep their bodies in Positive Nitrogen Retention, or your body will start catabolizing itself, for energy, just like the plant does. The leaves turn yellow, and eventually go necrotic.
Protein, means of first importance. Protein is responsible for every metabolic function, including cell mitosis/division., immune response. Supports creation of hormones, and all other chemicals.
Taking protein from a plant during flowering is like taking protein from a bodybuilder, or strength athlete, though marathoners have a great need for protein. Magnesium, Sulfur, and Calcium, are also extremely important.
SofaKingHigh_
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I never flush, just reduce nutrients near the end of flower in coco.
I’m actually listening to everything you are saying and I am not taking it to heart. I’m learning and I appreciate what you said. I’m not gonna get better unless I listen to growers that know what they are talking about. What should I do to fix my plants?
The medium has no food in it, so I lightly feed every watering. Maybe that’s the problem and I shouldn’t have listened to the person that told me to do it that way. I want to learn and grow beautiful flowers. I will listen and take whatever advice you give. Thanks
Thanks for that man, i really appreciate it. I am just gonna do the best I can and let her finish out her grow. I know I will get better because I am determined. I don’t get mad when guys give there opinions or feedback, I actually listen to what they have to say and try harder. Thanks again
I actually turned the lights down last night because I felt like it was the light causing the leaves to turn yellow like that so early. I am hoping they turn around because I love growing but I am still learning every day. Thanks for your feedback I appreciate it
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Thundercat
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you are doing great. The plant(s) look good over all, just a little hungry. I don’t know what medium they are in, but generally a light feeding every watering is a great method to prevent issues.
Like a couple others mentioned, I would say that you could slightly increase that, maybe 10-20% stronger.
Now that you’ve grown a plant you can see the changes in color and understand better what is going on. It’s all part of learning to read the plant. If you had upped the feed a few weeks back when they first started to yellow. They would have stayed the healthy green that they obviously were. You don’t have a bunch of different deficiencies, just a little N and overall hungry look.
Did you switch to bloom nutrients right when you flipped to 12/12?
If so, it would have helped to keep feeding veg nutes the first 2 weeks after. That stretch period is when the plant is using tons of nutrients, especially N, so keeping the veg mix helps boost it through that period.
anyway like I said you are doing great for your first grow. These things I’m saying are just little things we all have to learn through the process, and if you read around this site enough you can learn a lot.
When plants flipped, I switched to bloom nutrients right away. I just completely learned something from you. That’s probably where the problem started and they would honestly look a little better if I did exactly what you just said. I am learning and I know I will get better because i really love growing. Thank you so much dude! I appreciate you and your feedback