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Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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ShLUbY said:
i believe the cinnamon..... i'll try it out on the next batch of stuff i spray. i'm not spraying these domina at all (the above pic), haven't for a couple weeks, too developed now. but i did go through them all, though it's a pain, and wiped them down with a treatment by hand today! i think it's going to help out A LOT. these are actually really healthy, still transpiring well to the point of water every other day, and filling in. not very much mildew on them, and they don't get the big fuzzy stuff like the cheese got, i think the mildew is having a hard time with the domina, must be good resistance. i topdressed all the domino with insect frass about a week ago. they're holding tough!
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I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again, I'm impressed at how you've calmly and intelligently handled your IPM program. Really, impressed!.....

I haven't had PM indoors, only outside, and I used systemic synthetic. I'm just really interested in the cinnamon on cannabis. I've used it for sealing the wound on clones and any peptols, but mostly on my many orchids.

Just trying to help and add some validity to a holistic approach on various species and conditions.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Grandpa GreenJeans said:
I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again, I'm impressed at how you've calmly and intelligently handled your IPM program. Really, impressed!.....

I haven't had PM indoors, only outside, and I used systemic synthetic. I'm just really interested in the cinnamon on cannabis. I've used it for sealing the wound on clones and any peptols, but mostly on my many orchids.

Just trying to help and add some validity to a holistic approach on various species and conditions.
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thanks man, gotta stay cool calm and collected, and roll with the punches. I'm a poker player and when you don't keep your cool, you can blow a lot of hard work real fast... i have patience :)

i'm willing to try anything and everything i can throw at the damn PM lol, even cinnamon! but i think the badly infected cheese plants being out of the flower room, that'll be a big help. a week from today the 2 9lb hammer come down, and 3.5wks (if they run the max time) the domina will come out. i should have a mildew free room by then. i'll ozone the shit out of it and wipe everything down really well and mop the floor and stuff.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Well, the mildew is starting to get to the domina and rather than cull them early and have a real hard time trimming off spore-y material i wanted to try and save them of course. I mean come on 2 weeks to go still easy and these girls are getting fat too.

Sooo i sat and had a think about what to do. i started snipping leaves that were infected, and i watch a few spores poof into the air.... so i had another think about itand decided to get out the pump sprayer and fill it with........ H2O. Of course, how can i get the spores off of the leaves without them becoming airborne....??? WATER! I showered the fuck out of them, in a head, shoulders, knees and toes fashion. Just trying to wash from top to bottom... and wash off as much spore as i possibly can.... I literally have nothing to lose, if i cut them this early they will be disappointing.... and not have the proper "flush" (which is just plain water to make them use up the vegamatrix in soil still, NOT going for run-off kind of flush).

5 gal of water later, and shaking the living shit out of them to get the water off, they are sitting on the fringes of the lights with the fans drying them off. i will go through and check on them tonight

I just decided to take matters into my own hands. there was no other option in my opinion. seemed like a no brainer. a literal shower for them, just like Ma nature would have done :)

the humidity is so low lately, i'm not concerned about bud mold, however i'll be ozoning the air every night so hopefully that will teach the mold a lesson!

all i know is that i washed a fuck ton of spores off of those plants today and if i'm considering repeating the wash every 3 days or so until harvest. they'll be squeaky clean!!! I'll post a picture later once they dry off. my hypothesis is that they're going to push really hard now that the leaves are clean of any material that will inhibit photosynthesis.

What do you guys think?
 
calliandra

calliandra

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ShLUbY said:
Well, the mildew is starting to get to the domina and rather than cull them early and have a real hard time trimming off spore-y material i wanted to try and save them of course. I mean come on 2 weeks to go still easy and these girls are getting fat too.

Sooo i sat and had a think about what to do. i started snipping leaves that were infected, and i watch a few spores poof into the air.... so i had another think about itand decided to get out the pump sprayer and fill it with........ H2O. Of course, how can i get the spores off of the leaves without them becoming airborne....??? WATER! I showered the fuck out of them, in a head, shoulders, knees and toes fashion. Just trying to wash from top to bottom... and wash off as much spore as i possibly can.... I literally have nothing to lose, if i cut them this early they will be disappointing.... and not have the proper "flush" (which is just plain water to make them use up the vegamatrix in soil still, NOT going for run-off kind of flush).

5 gal of water later, and shaking the living shit out of them to get the water off, they are sitting on the fringes of the lights with the fans drying them off. i will go through and check on them tonight

I just decided to take matters into my own hands. there was no other option in my opinion. seemed like a no brainer. a literal shower for them, just like Ma nature would have done :)

the humidity is so low lately, i'm not concerned about bud mold, however i'll be ozoning the air every night so hopefully that will teach the mold a lesson!

all i know is that i washed a fuck ton of spores off of those plants today and if i'm considering repeating the wash every 3 days or so until harvest. they'll be squeaky clean!!! I'll post a picture later once they dry off. my hypothesis is that they're going to push really hard now that the leaves are clean of any material that will inhibit photosynthesis.

What do you guys think?
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Well first of all I think it's admirable how you stay solution - oriented though this PM keeps plaguing you - and that you have the courage to try out things!

I haven't the slightest clue about managing PM, but commonsensically I'd want to cover the soil when washing them down.
The doubt in my mind is, that the spores aren't the whole of it, and removing them won't bother the mycelium itself? I can imagine though that you can at least reduce the mildew's spreading out.
Very interested to see how it plays out!
Keeping my fingers crossed :)
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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calliandra said:
Well first of all I think it's admirable how you stay solution - oriented though this PM keeps plaguing you - and that you have the courage to try out things!

I haven't the slightest clue about managing PM, but commonsensically I'd want to cover the soil when washing them down.
The doubt in my mind is, that the spores aren't the whole of it, and removing them won't bother the mycelium itself? I can imagine though that you can at least reduce the mildew's spreading out.
Very interested to see how it plays out!
Keeping my fingers crossed :)
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PM is not a soil borne fungus to my knowledge, though i could be wrong. it thrives in dry conditions, floating from leaf to leaf through its lifecycle. so if you wash the plant of the spores regularly, you prevent spores from becoming airborne. I will say that i did consider covering the soil though... and i probably should have just to be safe. but i also am going to water in a compost tea and hopefully it will devour any fungus that shouldn't be present in the soil.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiZ5PTH9t7JAhXBQSYKHactD6AQjRwIBw&url=http://www.apsnet.org/EDCENTER/K-12/TEACHERSGUIDE/POWDERYMILDEW/Pages/PowderyMildewsLifeCycle.aspx&psig=AFQjCNGDUl87kgSqClLuR9vA5tGxcnmmoA&ust=1450305341487626

http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Grapes/GrapeDiseases3-94.htm

just for examples of the life cycle not being part of the soil. I think that this wash was the answer i needed a few weeks ago. once i cant spray a product on the plant, i'll just start washing it heavily, free of spores! i will beat this shit soon enough :) i'm figuring out how it works!
 
calliandra

calliandra

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ShLUbY said:
PM is not a soil borne fungus to my knowledge, though i could be wrong. it thrives in dry conditions, floating from leaf to leaf through its lifecycle. so if you wash the plant of the spores regularly, you prevent spores from becoming airborne. I will say that i did consider covering the soil though... and i probably should have just to be safe. but i also am going to water in a compost tea and hopefully it will devour any fungus that shouldn't be present in the soil.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiZ5PTH9t7JAhXBQSYKHactD6AQjRwIBw&url=http://www.apsnet.org/EDCENTER/K-12/TEACHERSGUIDE/POWDERYMILDEW/Pages/PowderyMildewsLifeCycle.aspx&psig=AFQjCNGDUl87kgSqClLuR9vA5tGxcnmmoA&ust=1450305341487626

http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Grapes/GrapeDiseases3-94.htm

just for examples of the life cycle not being part of the soil. I think that this wash was the answer i needed a few weeks ago. once i cant spray a product on the plant, i'll just start washing it heavily, free of spores! i will beat this shit soon enough :) i'm figuring out how it works!
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Ohwow thanks for those links, especially the one to the life cycle diagram on the APS website is cool, as I've become much more of a visual learner of late (also the k-12 level of the explanations are much easier to understand then other texts I'd struggled through before lmao) :mrgreen:

What I found most interesting is that the PM sort of sits on the leaves and just plugs into the topmost cells for nutrition - i.e., it doesn't actually form an all-pervasive mycelium growth inside the plant. I had had a different picture of that in my mind.

My thought on not allowing the spores in the soil was more because that way you'd still have the spores in your grow space, with some risk of them becoming airborne again.
But yeah hopefully they get gobbled up thoroughly down there, or at least get stuck and unable to fly about!

Really looking forward to hearing how the washings take effect! :weed:
Cheers!
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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the domina are looking nice today. no mildew anywhere on them from what i can visually see. i'm sure i didn't get every nook and cranny but i bet i was close. i thoroughly washed them twice around lol. i gave them the compost tea, and now that the two 9lb hammer are down there's a little more space. things are looking good.... real good.....

9lb hammer @49days! some fast stuff.... probably could go 53-55 for a different stone but probably wouldn't gain any weight.

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ShLUbY

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Here's an update on how the plastic vs. fabric grow is going so far in veg. 2 cheese and 2 jack's cleaner 2.

2 cheese

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2 jack's cleaner 2

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so far it's going pretty even. the jacks cleaner 2 look identical pretty much. really beautiful plant. The cheese in the plastic pot has better node structure for some reason, just a little tighter. the fabric cheese is just a little bigger but not much. I think the real tell tale for which is better is going to be in the last couple weeks of flower. we'll see what happens! the jack's will probably hit the flower room in a week or two. the cheese i have to veg much longer, it does not stretch up much at all! 3 weeks for the cheese in veg still at least.
 
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washed the domina down again today. i could see where i wasn't thorough the first time. the shower really seems to do the trick; it washes off spores and prevents them from becoming airborne in the flower room. They're definitely going to make it to the harvest date no problems. man i could kick myself for not thinking of this sooner!
 
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