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Grow Goddess said:

What the heck are you guys talking about?

First, what is ppg?

Why do you choose peg? Oh, by the way, The Rite Stuff, I would not recommend it. I would just go get PEG400 USP. Probably what The Rite Stuff is, but it doesn't say squat on the description, doesn't say how much you are getting. I highly doubt that The Rite Stuff is USP grade. Why do I say this? It looks to be rebottled. Once it is rebottled it is no longer considered to be USP grade for regulation reasons. PEG400 is what is used with e-ciggs or at least used to be used. It is considered an alternative to PG USP if one has allergic reactions to PG USP. It is considered a lower quality in the e-cigg world. Someone online that has been doing testing like me, reported back that eeh PEG400 worked almost as good as PG USP and he said what he didn't like the most about the PEG is it gave a bit of a burnt plastic taste. The PEG can hold the infusion longer than PG USP. PG USP has a nice sweet flavor to it. With my concentrates, when I mix with PG USP it holds together for up to 3 months. In a top fed clearomizer (e-Cigg) with a lot of wicking it will separate more quickly. The concentrate will stick to the wicks. This takes weeks in my case. I don't use top fed units with a bunch of wicking anymore anyway. I prefer the dual bottom coil units. Some have nearly no wicking so the infusion will hold together in the e-cigg for months with PG USP. AT least my concentrates do.

Heating it up to 150-160 degrees after adding PG USP or PEG? I would not do that. It will start to vaporize at those temps. I am pretty confident the PEG and PG USP lowers the decarbing temperatures. Not positive, but pretty confident. I try to keep my mixing temperatures below 150 degrees, but I do mix it really well.

Milkshake? With PG USP? Maybe somehow there was VG in there? I have never had my mixtures with PG USP turn to "milkshake" looking, but I am using RSO, QWISO, and QWET.


Below are all a mix of concentrate with PG USP. Depending on the lighting, it can look yellow golden to an amber hue.
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Top Fed Clearomizer
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an excerpt from an e-cigg oil shop.
"E-Liquid Bases
You can select Propylene Glycol (PG), Vegetable Glycerin (VG), PEG400, Best Mix I or Best Mix II as your E-Liquid base. Best Mix I is mixed with PG and VG and Best Mix II is mixed with VG and PEG400, for having the best smoking result. All our E-Liquid bases are made from only pharmaceutical grade without allergens. You may have a sensitivity to PG, so that VG, PEG400 or Best Mix II give you some healthier alternatives. We are using the highest quality of E-Liquid Bases to ensure your maximum safety."

I may give the PEG400 a try, but I am not expecting it to be better than the PG USP. You can even order the PEG400 with flavors.


I still haven't figured out what ppg is...

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god1 said:

GG,

Any suggestions where to buy food quality PEG 400? With the little looking I've done it seems that a lot a folks are re-packaging the Dow Carbowax stuff.

I'm just not sure who to trust. For one thing, it has to be the Sentry product, or it isn't NF/USP grade.

I'm thinking about this one place named Tex Supply Lab, but don't really know anything about them. Ever heard of them?

Thanks

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Grow Goddess said:

Well, I lost the information to where I was planning on ordering it. There was a post at the 3MG website, but it is gone now.

I just ordered a bottle from Tex Supply Lab. I have wasted enough time trying to locate my original source.

I don't think the PEG will be as good as the PG USP. I will do a side-by-side comparison and post it to my blog.

Looks legit to me and reasonably priced too. http://www.texlabsupply.com/product-p/2ozpeg400.htm This PEG is PEG NF/USP it meets higher standards. Basically food and medical use. It would make me nervous to use PEG that is not NF and USP.

I know the most safe PEG would be whatever they use in European e-ciggs. It may even be PEG 3000, 6000, or even 400. They have tighter regulations over there. If I do like the PEG I will look deeper into what they use in Europe.

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Grow Goddess said:

What the heck are you guys talking about?

First, what is ppg?

Why do you choose peg? Oh, by the way, The Rite Stuff, I would not recommend it. I would just go get PEG400 USP. Probably what The Rite Stuff is, but it doesn't say squat on the description, doesn't say how much you are getting. I highly doubt that The Rite Stuff is USP grade. Why do I say this? It looks to be rebottled. Once it is rebottled it is no longer considered to be USP grade for regulation reasons. PEG400 is what is used with e-ciggs or at least used to be used. It is considered an alternative to PG USP if one has allergic reactions to PG USP. It is considered a lower quality in the e-cigg world. Someone online that has been doing testing like me, reported back that eeh PEG400 worked almost as good as PG USP and he said what he didn't like the most about the PEG is it gave a bit of a burnt plastic taste. The PEG can hold the infusion longer than PG USP. PG USP has a nice sweet flavor to it. With my concentrates, when I mix with PG USP it holds together for up to 3 months. In a top fed clearomizer (e-Cigg) with a lot of wicking it will separate more quickly. The concentrate will stick to the wicks. This takes weeks in my case. I don't use top fed units with a bunch of wicking anymore anyway. I prefer the dual bottom coil units. Some have nearly no wicking so the infusion will hold together in the e-cigg for months with PG USP. AT least my concentrates do.

Heating it up to 150-160 degrees after adding PG USP or PEG? I would not do that. It will start to vaporize at those temps. I am pretty confident the PEG and PG USP lowers the decarbing temperatures. Not positive, but pretty confident. I try to keep my mixing temperatures below 150 degrees, but I do mix it really well.

Milkshake? With PG USP? Maybe somehow there was VG in there? I have never had my mixtures with PG USP turn to "milkshake" looking, but I am using RSO, QWISO, and QWET.


Below are all a mix of concentrate with PG USP. Depending on the lighting, it can look yellow golden to an amber hue.
View attachment 3191616 View attachment 3191618 View attachment 3191617 View attachment 3191632

Top Fed Clearomizer
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an excerpt from an e-cigg oil shop.
"E-Liquid Bases
You can select Propylene Glycol (PG), Vegetable Glycerin (VG), PEG400, Best Mix I or Best Mix II as your E-Liquid base. Best Mix I is mixed with PG and VG and Best Mix II is mixed with VG and PEG400, for having the best smoking result. All our E-Liquid bases are made from only pharmaceutical grade without allergens. You may have a sensitivity to PG, so that VG, PEG400 or Best Mix II give you some healthier alternatives. We are using the highest quality of E-Liquid Bases to ensure your maximum safety."

I may give the PEG400 a try, but I am not expecting it to be better than the PG USP. You can even order the PEG400 with flavors.


I still haven't figured out what ppg is...

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Grow Goddess said:

Well, I lost the information to where I was planning on ordering it. There was a post at the 3MG website, but it is gone now.

I just ordered a bottle from Tex Supply Lab. I have wasted enough time trying to locate my original source.

I don't think the PEG will be as good as the PG USP. I will do a side-by-side comparison and post it to my blog.

Looks legit to me and reasonably priced too. http://www.texlabsupply.com/product-p/2ozpeg400.htm This PEG is PEG NF/USP it meets higher standards. Basically food and medical use. It would make me nervous to use PEG that is not NF and USP.

I know the most safe PEG would be whatever they use in European e-ciggs. It may even be PEG 3000, 6000, or even 400. They have tighter regulations over there. If I do like the PEG I will look deeper into what they use in Europe.

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Grow Goddess said:

What the heck are you guys talking about?

First, what is ppg?

Why do you choose peg? Oh, by the way, The Rite Stuff, I would not recommend it. I would just go get PEG400 USP. Probably what The Rite Stuff is, but it doesn't say squat on the description, doesn't say how much you are getting. I highly doubt that The Rite Stuff is USP grade. Why do I say this? It looks to be rebottled. Once it is rebottled it is no longer considered to be USP grade for regulation reasons. PEG400 is what is used with e-ciggs or at least used to be used. It is considered an alternative to PG USP if one has allergic reactions to PG USP. It is considered a lower quality in the e-cigg world. Someone online that has been doing testing like me, reported back that eeh PEG400 worked almost as good as PG USP and he said what he didn't like the most about the PEG is it gave a bit of a burnt plastic taste. The PEG can hold the infusion longer than PG USP. PG USP has a nice sweet flavor to it. With my concentrates, when I mix with PG USP it holds together for up to 3 months. In a top fed clearomizer (e-Cigg) with a lot of wicking it will separate more quickly. The concentrate will stick to the wicks. This takes weeks in my case. I don't use top fed units with a bunch of wicking anymore anyway. I prefer the dual bottom coil units. Some have nearly no wicking so the infusion will hold together in the e-cigg for months with PG USP. AT least my concentrates do.

Heating it up to 150-160 degrees after adding PG USP or PEG? I would not do that. It will start to vaporize at those temps. I am pretty confident the PEG and PG USP lowers the decarbing temperatures. Not positive, but pretty confident. I try to keep my mixing temperatures below 150 degrees, but I do mix it really well.

Milkshake? With PG USP? Maybe somehow there was VG in there? I have never had my mixtures with PG USP turn to "milkshake" looking, but I am using RSO, QWISO, and QWET.


Below are all a mix of concentrate with PG USP. Depending on the lighting, it can look yellow golden to an amber hue.
View attachment 3191616 View attachment 3191618 View attachment 3191617 View attachment 3191632

Top Fed Clearomizer
View attachment 3191633

an excerpt from an e-cigg oil shop.
"E-Liquid Bases
You can select Propylene Glycol (PG), Vegetable Glycerin (VG), PEG400, Best Mix I or Best Mix II as your E-Liquid base. Best Mix I is mixed with PG and VG and Best Mix II is mixed with VG and PEG400, for having the best smoking result. All our E-Liquid bases are made from only pharmaceutical grade without allergens. You may have a sensitivity to PG, so that VG, PEG400 or Best Mix II give you some healthier alternatives. We are using the highest quality of E-Liquid Bases to ensure your maximum safety."

I may give the PEG400 a try, but I am not expecting it to be better than the PG USP. You can even order the PEG400 with flavors.


I still haven't figured out what ppg is...

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Eric M said:

decarb does not start till 170 F up to 240F thc melts at 140F does not boil or vape till 392F
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/thc_data_sheet.shtml

i have been doing this for years / i used to just put bho in joints for an extra kick

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Eric M said:

ppg is polypropylene glycol not polyethylene glycol

the rite stuff is PEG USP 400 rebottled for ease of dosage and convenient size,, i talked to the guy on another forum where alot of people wanted an easy way to dissolve bho for vaporizers,, he does alot of cool stuff,,he has tought me alot over the years,, and after a million questions he just started selling the rite stuff for people who were using the wrong stuff, oh and as far as ppg goes you are going to like peg way better

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Grow Goddess said:

Thanks for answering the ppg question. Never heard of anyone using that. I will have to look into it. I have always used PG USP medical/food grade.

I will be comparing the PG USP to PEG 400 NF USP medical food grade soon. Still waiting for the PEG400 NF USP to arrive.

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Grow Goddess said:

Yes, that applies to the concentrate, but when it is mixed with PG USP those temperatures can drastically change if I am not mistaken.

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Eric M said:

you will love it use about 5 ml per gram of shatter after that it stops dissolving even at 150F
the rite sf is what you ordered if you went with tex lab

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Grow Goddess said:

Well, I tried out the PEG400 NF/USP Grade.

For starters, it is much thicker than PG USP. Closer to your average e-cigg oil mix.

I sampled my winterized QWISO so there already was no real mj flavor.

In the preferred KangerTech products, with my best oil it can be harsh, gives a throat burn. The KangerTech products work the best, so I figured I would try the PEG mix. It is smoother, but one bad side is it has a chemical taste, hard to describe, kind of a burnt taste, but that is not the right description. Anyway, it worked real good. I figured it would be a good time to try some flavor samples I received from my favorite e-cigg shops. I added 3 or 4 drops to about 1.5 grams of mix with PEG. The flavor I used is Jolly Rancher. It made a big difference. It stayed infused nicely and took most of the chemical taste out and added a nice hint of Jolly Rancher candy, mostly on the exhale. It makes me want to try different flavors now. Maybe other flavors would make it smoother and more enjoyable. I will have to try it with non-winterized concentrate too to see if those walk over the PEG chemical taste.

More testing needs to be done!

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god1 said:

Eric,

Are you saying the vendor selling the Rite Stuff and Tex Lab are one and the same?
Do you know them? Just curious.

Thanks

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Grow Goddess said:

Well, I tried out the PEG400 NF/USP Grade.

For starters, it is much thicker than PG USP. Closer to your average e-cigg oil mix.

I sampled my winterized QWISO so there already was no real mj flavor.

In the preferred KangerTech products, with my best oil it can be harsh, gives a throat burn. The KangerTech products work the best, so I figured I would try the PEG mix. It is smoother, but one bad side is it has a chemical taste, hard to describe, kind of a burnt taste, but that is not the right description. Anyway, it worked real good. I figured it would be a good time to try some flavor samples I received from my favorite e-cigg shops. I added 3 or 4 drops to about 1.5 grams of mix with PEG. The flavor I used is Jolly Rancher. It made a big difference. It stayed infused nicely and took most of the chemical taste out and added a nice hint of Jolly Rancher candy, mostly on the exhale. It makes me want to try different flavors now. Maybe other flavors would make it smoother and more enjoyable. I will have to try it with non-winterized concentrate too to see if those walk over the PEG chemical taste.

More testing needs to be done!

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god1 said:

Hey thanks for the report.
Sounds like you had a good experience with Tex Labs?
I've been toying with the idea of a low pressure hydro distillation for terps, this maybe the excuse to try.

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DemonTrich said:

awesome thread. my new patient asked me about some vape pen liquid yesterday. im wondering of I use the peg (food safe) with qwiso oil if the results would be good. like above, use the 5:1 ratio (peg to concentrate). another concoction I get to try out. hope I don't fail and waste product.

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Eric M said:

hydro wont dissolve thc and the temp would destroy any thc left in essential oils,,,but it smells great.
unless you know something I missed out on. if so what is your technique..i will share first: for bho i use dry ice to shake hash out in 160-200 micron filter to remove most plant matter and chlorophyll then run the hash ,vaccuum/heat purge, winterization is not needed, i guess super freezing with dry ice keeps all the fats and waxes out, then mix with peg400 and enjoy

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god1 said:

Eric thanks for the response.
Tex Lab sells bulk and if I recall correctly, they sell on Ebay as well, so I was just curious if they relabeled as the Rite Stuff.

Re the Vaporizer power;
When you talk about time, 12 sec, are you talking about the time to hold the vap button, or are you implying that the source circuit is closed loop and pwm’ing the igniter for that long? To be honest 52 mw is a tiny amount of power to hit the vap coil with and expect much of anything, so I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say.

Clearly I’m going to have to tear some of these apart and see what’s inside.

Re the sauce;
I make BHO. Sometimes, removing to many waxes seem to pull a lot of flavor. Also, the few commercial vap pen flavors I’ve tried seem artificial.
So my simple minded idea, is to attempt a hydro extraction strictly for the 2nd and 3rd order terps, then re blend them in to the PEG/WBHO mixture. Same idea GG has, but I'm going to try and extract my own flavor juice from real bud.

We’ll see, this is basically a science project. I obviously have a ways to go and the fun part for me is the journey anyway.

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