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Setting Up a Small Growroom - Environmental Control

Discussion in 'Grow Room Design & Setup' started by SoCal Calyx, Feb 7, 2018.

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    SoCal Calyx

    SoCal Calyx Member

    Been outta the game for about 13 years, but it's time to get back at it. So, I'm in the process of designing a new grow this month. Here are the details:

    7ft x 7.5ft room
    RDWC
    two plants
    dual 3.5ft x 3.5ft SCROG nets
    4 - 315w vertical reflectors

    The room will be cooled by a small mini split and I'll likely blow CO2. Right now I'm trying to work out the environmental control details. I've gone sealed room in the past, with gas and ran a dehumidifier. I'm hoping to avoid the dehumidifier in this small space (space and noise concerns).

    Obviously it would be preferable to go sealed room here if I'm supplementing with gas. But, I'm worried about excess humidity considering that half the square footage of this space is going to be canopy. I've considered throwing the CO2 out and just venting the space continuously. But the area outside the room is going to be hot during a good portion of the year and I'm worried about venting all my cool a/c air out and having temp issues in the room.

    I'll be running a chiller, so res temps won't be an issue. I've read that undersizing your mini split just a bit will help better control humidity. But will that be enough in this grow space if I go sealed room? Do you think a dehuey will be mandatory if I go sealed room?
     
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    SoCal Calyx

    SoCal Calyx Member

    ...bump.

    Any thoughts to help out this new member?
     
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    BigHornBuds

    BigHornBuds Well-Known Member

    There is no way around not using a Dehumitifer in a sealed room, as soon as lights out, your humidity is going to spike.

    It’s cheaper to cool a large area vs small
    You could cool the whole room so your venting in cool air vs hot during the summer

    I can’t say enough good about the Quest Dual 105 Dehumitifer. about the same water removal as what it replaced, runs 75% less to do the same job, 1/2 the amps. There are lots of attachments so you can use it remotely and duct into your tent or room if there is no room.

    If you plan to do a sealed room I’d use this
    https://growershouse.com/sentinel-fuzzy-logic-co2-ppm-controller-cppm-4i

    I use that model.

    If I was going to vent n run CO2 , or flip flop between sealed n not sealed , I’d use this
    https://growershouse.com/sentinel-chhc-4i-digital-intelligent-total-environmental-controller

    Bigger is better with mini splits .
     
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    CB7guy

    CB7guy Well-Known Member

    i dont think so as long as the mini split stays running and you have no open sources of water to evap from,<<big deal,, the mini split wil act as the dehum,, then if things get higher than you like you can switch the mini split to dehumid,, and the room is 7x7 not big at all,, ,,, as long as you have plenty of air circulation on top and a fan on bottom no worries,,
     
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    SoCal Calyx

    SoCal Calyx Member

    Totally agree about the night humidity spikes BigHorn, I remember those in the past. Great point.

    As far as cooling the area outside of the room, it's large and unfortunately wouldn't be practical. I'm suck with the temp swings in that area.

    That Quest dehum. sure looks nice, much better than the dehum. that I bought at retail last go around. The Quest is outside of the budget at the moment, but definitely on my radar for future upgrades. I'm going to take a good look at the controls you mentioned. That's another item on my list that I need to get figured out.

    I'm wondering if it might be possible to increase the room ventilation rate during the dark hours to help bring the humidity down. I know it's recommended to turn the room volume over anywhere from once per minute, to once every five minutes during lights on. Any idea on the required turnover rate at night to keep humidity in check? Suppose it might vary with the humidity levels outside the room. But, being in Cal our humidity is never all that high.
     
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    SoCal Calyx

    SoCal Calyx Member

    Great point on the open water sources CB7. I'm going to make sure and plumb my RO and mini split drains directly into my sink plumbing to avoid evaporative water. I like the idea of using the dehumid feature on the mini split, I've noticed that option on a few units. Wish these split units could be better programmed to run different features at different times of the day though. It would be awesome to run a/c during lights on, then dehumid at lights off.
     
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    SoCal Calyx

    SoCal Calyx Member

    Does anyone think it would be possible to run CO2/sealed room during lights on period, then exhaust the room at a high rate during lights off to keep humidity in check? Seems feasible if the required cfm is manageable.
     
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    BigHornBuds

    BigHornBuds Well-Known Member

    The amount of air movement needed to keep night time humidity in check will depend on lots of factors.
    The 2nd controller will handle all of that.
    You can do this, but as you vent into the big space your Rh will increase, depending on the size of the main room n the Rh in the grow , you could get above a good Rh.
    If you don’t have a way to exchange the air in the main spot , your asking for mold
     
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    fn217

    fn217 Active Member

    Running sealed with CO2 enrichment during the day and heavy venting during lights off is a good plan. Ideally I think not involving your extra room would be best. Just fresh air in, filtered air straight out.
     
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    SoCal Calyx

    SoCal Calyx Member

    Thanks for the all the advice. Once I get this room set up I'll follow up on how it works out.
     

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