Seedling Problem!

Kingrow1

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Crushed the lime to a fine powder or as fine as it will go. Sprinkled one teaspoon on the top of the soil and watered in with some biobizz grow and pinch of mag, i could only water one plant as the others didn't need feeding. This is for the flowering room and for the veg room i will start with an earlier dose of ferts on seedlings and amend all soil with lime before potting, i will probably give each plant in the veg room one dose of mag at about 3/4 weeks too just too make sure. I suppose it is a waiting game now so we shall await the results within a week or so. I must say that when i watered the soil with the lime on i had obviously crushed most of it down to the consistency of talcum powder (don't know if you yanks know this word but it is a very fine powder none the less) and when watered the lime turned the water milky white colour and absorbed into the soil easily. I am thinking with my lime which i powdered that it will start to work more or less straight away. Thanks for the help guys and as always i will post the results in a few days. It is strange how my jalapeno peppers do not seem to require much calcium or magnesium but am gona give them a dose and see what it dose, could be bad for these plants but it will be a good learning experience and curve. Thanks again.
 

Kingrow1

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So you yanks do have that word in your vocabulary, its hard to know what to say sometimes as you say potato and i say patata!lol
 

Kingrow1

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Just an update, as i said i had spread one teaspoon of crushed lime over my soil in my pots which are 8 to 10 inch pots. I could only water the one which is the oldest one and as such it has only been 24hrs, i did all this at the start of lights. I wouldn't expect results anytime soon but when i turned the lights on today most of the leaves had risen up in position, no new yellowing and the top leaves looked like they were reaching up and healthier. I did add epsom salts and my bloom to the watering and the lime on the soil surface pretty much absorbed into the water as i poured it onto the soil so am guessing it has had a little affect already. I hate not being able to water my other plants yet and have started to notice that most of my seedlings from a certain point back a few weeks are really suferring! I feel that i am keeping them growing but they are showing a lot of problems, starts with leaf twisting and purpling of the stalk and stems, even purpling of the leaf veins on young plants. This is so strange after never having one single bloody problem in the veg room ever, any problem i had was in flower, seeds always grew into big strong plants in 4 weeks no probs, now i am really sucking here.

If this is a pH problem would the lime solve it in the veg room? I don't want to have to change soils as most soils seem the same here but seriously i am leaning towards a pH problem and hopefully the cal/mag i am adding in flowering is helping. Another thing i noticed was the last two plants i put into the flowering room and fertilized their soil one week after repotting and a mild fert at repotting are green and healthy, in fact i've never seen such fast growing plants that strong, the rest however are suffering from problems. I really am cofudled as to what has happened to the quality of my soil recently, really bombed from last year. Hoping the cal/mag and extra ferts are gona help but my real problem is the veg room now as i have made my play in the flowering room and sure i will see results over the next few weeks. Any advice over what to do with the veg plants as i have taken all healthy ones to flower now and have a problem running through the last five weeks of plants. I will get some pics tomorrow hopefully but for now has anyone got any experience with calmag and young plants or fine crushed gardeners lime to help seedlings, i am thinking calcium and magnesium are pretty unreactive and hard to overdose so would like to change the way i grow by liming and providing magnesium to smaller plants in a bid to solve or eliminate this problem. I will endeavor to search a few threads as well.
 

max316420

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lime is a bufferer lol from now on ALWAYS add it even if your shit already says it's in there because it will eventually become depleted
 

Kingrow1

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I was able to reference nothing from my books on mag/cal overdose and so far see it as safe and as you say essential for all my grows, i feel that it is this giving me problems and my soil company being very cheap. I will see results in my flowering room soon but am still wondering about my seedling soil, i am mixing a touch of the stronger flowering soil in with it because i feel it is too light on nutes but what would you say would be a normal amount to use to lime my seedling containers, i find info for large amounts of soil but not small amounts and scaled down it leves small containers with just a pinch, do you think half a level teaspoon would do for a pot say 4inch in width, probably about half a litre of soil is the best i can describe it and that would be the finely powdered stuff i made. I know a lot of this is going to be down to me judging the plants overall apperance and so on and have already administered it to my flowering plants at about a two level teaspoons a pot topdressed on the soil. I have a veg plant to flowering final flowering repot coming up and am thinking of going with four level teaspoons to about 4 litres of soil. I am thinking the finely powdered lime will be quick acting but also quick to deplete, will this last me 10 weeks of flowering time without adding more and just relying on my biobizz bloom for the extra. Am quite happy epsom salts/mag has similar buffering properties and feel like i will add a couple of small pinches to every other watering in flowering as well as the 3rd week of veg. Any recomendations on adding these two minerals to the soil, i believe it is 4.5 litres to the gallon and do not know quarts etc but can probably find smaller measurements on google. Thanks
 

Kingrow1

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I figured it out, 1 cup us = 236 mililitres/ml
1 cup uk = 250 mililitres/ml

1 cubic foot soil dry soil = 28 litres (approx)
So roughly 240 ml divided by 28 litres = 8.6 so 8.6 ml of lime a litre and with a teaspoon being almost 6ml over here and 5ml in the us i would roughly go for one teaspoon a litre to keep on the safe side and half a teaspoon a veg pot or half a litre pot.

Intrestingly enough i reckon i might be able to discontinue the epson salts as the dolomitic lime has magnesium in it as well. The maths above is a bit rough but i like to work in what i have available and that is teaspoons and tablespoons. If i worked in gallons i'd say a slightly heaped tablespoon agallon would be a good starting point.

Dose this seem right?

I have also been looking at subcools soil mix and he recomends similar. It is intresting to note that recently my soil company havve increased the peat content to what looks like 60% on their table when it use to be 50%, i have only just noticed on the last repot and haven't looked for a while. I think this extra peat might be making the problems i am experiencing, i know it only seems to be 10% but that could be enough and at least i know my soil company has changed its soil recipie% recently from looking at the back of the bag!!! Cheeky b@$t@rds!!! I think we have a reason for the weird growth i am experiencing!!!
 

Kingrow1

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Hey if your still on help me with this, my biggest plant in veg has gone purple under the leaves and the underside leaf veins too, she looks overwatered and this was the one that had the heavy purpling on the new veg, i will post pics in 5 mins!
 

Kingrow1

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So basically here is the pics, first the garden lime which i ground down even futher to a powder and topdressed and watered into all flowering plants, next the pic from the other day followed by it getting worse, droopy ridged leaves, purple stems and petioles and now purpling to the underside of the leaf, next a plant two weeks behind not quite so bad but starting and another seedling that i have done nothing too and a healthy seedling i planted in another soil because i was getting really hacked off with this problem, the peurpling on the underside of the leaves is puzzling me, i ferted a few days ago as i had no idea of its problem and it was in fresh soil, just a light fert and now this, feels nute locked somehow!

I have had to chuck a plant from the flowering room too, my plants were so good up until few weeks ago and i am really scratching my head! Have added the lime to the two oldest plants in veg so will see but any ideas in the mean time?
 
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