Tim Fox
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One day would not hurt, good thing you decided quickly, oh and awesome looking,
Seed to Harvest, 350+ watt CFL w/ feminized Skunk ( My 5th Grow/Log/Journal)
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bhandari1
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Cool, I didn't think it would. Thanks for the compliment. She'll loose 3 hours of light today, but that's okay too. I'm going to raise the lights just a little later today to encourage some more stretching. I have approx 3.5 feet of excess vertical height to play with.
bhandari1
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Day 33,
Coming along nicely imo. Here are pics from every angle. I also included pics of the main stalks LST job. Very similar approach to my last grow. I measured her with a string from top to bottom, she's 1' 4'' tall (if she weren't LST'd of course).
I haven't trimmed or defoliated anything really. If any one has any advice on all of that, please share!
...and pics!
Coming along nicely imo. Here are pics from every angle. I also included pics of the main stalks LST job. Very similar approach to my last grow. I measured her with a string from top to bottom, she's 1' 4'' tall (if she weren't LST'd of course).
I haven't trimmed or defoliated anything really. If any one has any advice on all of that, please share!
...and pics!
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6ixclouds
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Definitely coming along great bhandari! 
My 12/12 girls r about 10 days behind but look trash in comparison, its sad. She's a picture of health tho! Take it with less than a grain of salt because you have more experience, but I think my girl would have done better if i left more leaves on. It seemed the plant showed more problems after i started defoliation and i feel it slowed her down. I think she'll yeild well though. Someone who's compared the two could tell ya for sure, but i'd say if you do, only very minorly!
Grain of salt though!!!!!!!!!!!
My 12/12 girls r about 10 days behind but look trash in comparison, its sad. She's a picture of health tho! Take it with less than a grain of salt because you have more experience, but I think my girl would have done better if i left more leaves on. It seemed the plant showed more problems after i started defoliation and i feel it slowed her down. I think she'll yeild well though. Someone who's compared the two could tell ya for sure, but i'd say if you do, only very minorly!Grain of salt though!!!!!!!!!!!
simisimis
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I wouldn't defoliate unless the plant is really compact and there is no fan blowing directly to stir the air. Then it makes sense cause without circulating air, growth is stalled.
Now I trim only some bottom side branches(e.g. side shoots of side shoots you LSTed). I leave the fan leaves.
Sometimes if I go for more than 4 main tops, i.e. 11. then usually when I flip to flower I see that 1-3 are falling far behind. they get in the shade, they have little nodes and very long internodes and thin stems, they bring you no good. Fuck it, I just prune those. better 8 simultaneously growing tops than 11 messed up.
Some plants are budding from 1st node to the last, some really abandon lower ones, so it's difficult to define the rule of thumb. For me it's easy to make a call, if side shoot is growing - let it be, if it's looking immature and growth is stalled, prune it.
I leave the fan leaves for one very practical reason. Plant shows macro element deficiencies from bottom up. That means if you will be underfeeding, or if you will keep the soil too dry, or too wet, or make some other user error, it is those fan leaves you will lose first and will have extra time to fix stuff.
Now I trim only some bottom side branches(e.g. side shoots of side shoots you LSTed). I leave the fan leaves.
Sometimes if I go for more than 4 main tops, i.e. 11. then usually when I flip to flower I see that 1-3 are falling far behind. they get in the shade, they have little nodes and very long internodes and thin stems, they bring you no good. Fuck it, I just prune those. better 8 simultaneously growing tops than 11 messed up.
Some plants are budding from 1st node to the last, some really abandon lower ones, so it's difficult to define the rule of thumb. For me it's easy to make a call, if side shoot is growing - let it be, if it's looking immature and growth is stalled, prune it.
I leave the fan leaves for one very practical reason. Plant shows macro element deficiencies from bottom up. That means if you will be underfeeding, or if you will keep the soil too dry, or too wet, or make some other user error, it is those fan leaves you will lose first and will have extra time to fix stuff.
Slydexic Native
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I 100% agree with you. But I prune 30+ leaves weekly. I never remove ALL leaves. They're there for a reason. BUT. A lot of the times they consume a lot of energy that can be directed to the stem/bud that is growing, or they shadow the lower growth. This is a tried and true method i've been following for about a year now. What you're saying about side shoots or lanky skinny long stems with small popcornn buddies is true.
I just trim off. No need for them at all. And I don't trim, I prune. I guess I should say that instead. Lst did a nice job of keeping my main tops a part. If you prune properly and don't go insane with it, your plant is fine. And yes I know people will agree and disagree. But before anyone says anything. I'd suggest you look at my resluts so far. Northern lights autoflower. I'm not using super penetrative lighting. Just some cfls so that is why it is 1'9".http://rollitup.org/t/northern-lights-indoor-cfl-grow.875965/page-4#post-11812921
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Slydexic Native
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Without lying being 100% honest. I have cut off approximetly 100+ leaves. And bhandari. You're plant is looking awesome, coming along really nice!
bhandari1
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Okay, I didn't remove any from my last grow, so I won't remove any from this one either. I do have 2 small 4' fans blowing on it directly. I like what you said about using the lower leaves as a guide to watch for deficiencies. I will keep that in mind. Thanks!
bhandari1
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Thanks man, yours looks good too! I'm not going to trim anything this time around...it's only my 5th grow and I'm not trying to try anything new atm.
bhandari1
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Yea, from what I've been hearing and reading is that defoliation will slow growth for a few days, then usually a burst of growth after that. I have no personal experience with that yet though. good luck with the rest of your grow. Hopefully she yields well!Definitely coming along great bhandari!
Grain of salt though!!!!!!!!!!!
6ixclouds
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Yeah, that definitely makes sense. I'm going to try it side by side next time i veg some plants out. Thanks, I hope so! Good luck with your girl as well, hope shes an even bigger bouquet of trippy flowers than your last one!
hellmutt bones
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About a pound..
simisimis
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Leaves do not consume energy, once mature they store it. And once soil is deficient plants moves macros from leaves to flowers. The only thing what they do extra is they transpire water, so to keep them alive you water plant more often.I 100% agree with you. But I prune 30+ leaves weekly. I never remove ALL leaves. They're there for a reason. BUT. A lot of the times they consume a lot of energy that can be directed to the stem/bud that is growing, or they shadow the lower growth. This is a tried and true method i've been following for about a year now. What you're saying about side shoots or lanky skinny long stems with small popcornn buddies is true.
http://rollitup.org/t/northern-lights-indoor-cfl-grow.875965/page-4#post-11812921
I go for keeping the leaves, but I saw lots of people removing. I guess you just do what works for you
bhandari1
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Yea, I've been doing a lot of reading and apparently its a an on going debate on whether to remove or not. there are a lot of factors involved, and I don't want to venture into all of that right now. so my lady isn't going to be trimmed, pruned, or defoliated. I'll post a pic of her later.Leaves do not consume energy, once mature they store it. And once soil is deficient plants moves macros from leaves to flowers. The only thing what they do extra is they transpire water, so to keep them alive you water plant more often.
I go for keeping the leaves, but I saw lots of people removing. I guess you just do what works for you
Slydexic Native
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Sounds about right, I thought they used a lot of plant energy to stay alive rather than store. But it makes a lot of sense now. But I have had some pretty good success with what I have been doing. And I do water a lot. 1 gallon every 3 days. So leaves just store the plants water and energy?Leaves do not consume energy, once mature they store it. And once soil is deficient plants moves macros from leaves to flowers. The only thing what they do extra is they transpire water, so to keep them alive you water plant more often.
I go for keeping the leaves, but I saw lots of people removing. I guess you just do what works for you
simisimis
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Well they need water to survive. In case your soil will go dry you will see bottom leaves wilting first. At first leaves play rather big role, they generate the power. They uptake and store elements(sinks) but they also photosynthesize. Later when the leaves get older, main growth takes place somewhere more top, leaf petioles turn purple/brown then you know those leaves turned from sinks to sources. Now whenever plants need some macros they will just transfer that from sources to new growth. It's difficult to keep longer flowering plants green through out the grow, having them as extra support is handy that's why I wouldn't prune them. Side shoots however share the auxins and cutting one will result in boosting another.
But growing one way or another will still yield, depends on the grower and dialed in env, but sometimes defoliated plant gives better yield than the one that was not
But growing one way or another will still yield, depends on the grower and dialed in env, but sometimes defoliated plant gives better yield than the one that was not
Slydexic Native
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Thanks for the post! Super informative!Well they need water to survive. In case your soil will go dry you will see bottom leaves wilting first. At first leaves play rather big role, they generate the power. They uptake and store elements(sinks) but they also photosynthesize. Later when the leaves get older, main growth takes place somewhere more top, leaf petioles turn purple/brown then you know those leaves turned from sinks to sources. Now whenever plants need some macros they will just transfer that from sources to new growth. It's difficult to keep longer flowering plants green through out the grow, having them as extra support is handy that's why I wouldn't prune them. Side shoots however share the auxins and cutting one will result in boosting another.
But growing one way or another will still yield, depends on the grower and dialed in env, but sometimes defoliated plant gives better yield than the one that was not
bhandari1
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Day 37,
Hey all, I might have a little problem. I've never had this happen to me before. Some of the fan leaves have begun to dry up, brown, and die from the edges inward. It's mostly on the older larger fan leaves. New growth appears to be healthy and steady. I'm thinking it's either nutrient burn or possibly early signs of root rot!!! Here are pics of the whole plant, and close ups of the leaves. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Hey all, I might have a little problem. I've never had this happen to me before. Some of the fan leaves have begun to dry up, brown, and die from the edges inward. It's mostly on the older larger fan leaves. New growth appears to be healthy and steady. I'm thinking it's either nutrient burn or possibly early signs of root rot!!! Here are pics of the whole plant, and close ups of the leaves. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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simisimis
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what you're feeding with and how much? per liter/gal? do you add any cal/mag? could also be overwatering. I suspect some excess locking out P/K.
Either way you might have to flush(leech) the soil(water 3x times the medium) followed by light feeding with 1-1.5ml/L of H2O2.
Either way you might have to flush(leech) the soil(water 3x times the medium) followed by light feeding with 1-1.5ml/L of H2O2.