Roots Player Pack

I just grew out some Silver Haze that were meant to be fully organic, but I screwed up. I ordered a sample pack from Roots and they included two of their synthetics, Amino Aide high in N, and Big Swell for flower. Even though these plants had some serious N deficiencies a month into flower and a few days later hermied, they taste and smoke sweet, there are only tiny little specks of premature seeds, like one in every fifth bud that I break apart. Well I chopped one at day 67 of 12/12, I saw amber on the bigger bud leaves, and it was the speediest best high ever. Great medicine, two other patients think it is awesome as well, though there opinions aren't really the best since I was the one packing bowls, and my friends tend to be nice.

The question now, I have some Jack the Ripper fully Organic with Roots Soil and nutes, no synthetic. I am worried about the N deficiencies hitting again, and none of the Roots Organics are high in N, but that Amino Aide is. Should I go back to using these two synthetics which after I figured out that I need to give way more N then the feeding schedule suggests, produced great meds, or stick on the Organic. If sticking to the full organic, which it is now anyway, how should I tweak the Roots feeding schedule to allow for a much higher N during the stretch of flower?

I would like to continue fully organic. I like the meds I produced with the Roots player pack, sample pack, but would enjoy a fully organic smoke. So how should I adjust my Roots schedule to keep my plants robustly green until just before harvest. Roots soil, roots nutes, 600 watt HPS, 8.1 pH water, never go above 40% humidity in the grow tent (Arizona), no CO2, water I bubble for 24 hrs prior to use, two plants each in 10 gallon Roots soil bags.

easy. just get some fish emulsion and use during the first few weeks of flower along with your flower nutes.

i use Roots Organics full line as well, Buddha Grow works really well to supplement N, even tho the numbers arent very high, with organic ur not feeding the plant, u feed the mycos.

Ccoastal

Thanks for the advice on fish emulsion, Farmer Joe. Any brand suggestions? How much to use? My two plants that will go to flower this weekend have been growing 2.5 months, I needed to trim them down twice now for height purpose. I started them from seed too early, and my Silver Haze have been taking way to long (Day 74 today) They are my second grow, my first were clones, and I had no idea how fast they would grow.

Ccoastal, I followed the Roots Master feeding schedule this last run, and around 30 days in, Every large fan leaf turned yellow, shriveled, and was cut. I didn't use the dry additives Uprising Grow and Uprising Bloom as they aren't included in the Player pack that I bought, and are not sold at the local hydro shop, a five minute walk away, next closest is about 150 miles. Would you suggest useing more Buddha Grow or Bloom? If so how much. The local shop sells all the roots liquid ferts, plus a slew of other brands.

Thanks for your help guys, always appreciated.

i would adivse against using fish emulsion durring flower as it will stay for around 3 weeks. although i have used Alaska Fish multiple times.

i use the full line , ancient amber, buddha grow/bloom, extreme serene, oregonism and all the other fun stuff

i would use buddha bloom @ 10ml for 1-2 feedings to make sure they slow the fade, if the fade is extreme use 15ml but taper off over 3 weeks and be totally cut of grow by halfway through flower and let them fade from there.

hope this helps

Ccoastal

Guino said:

Thanks for the advice on fish emulsion, Farmer Joe. Any brand suggestions? How much to use? My two plants that will go to flower this weekend have been growing 2.5 months, I needed to trim them down twice now for height purpose. I started them from seed too early, and my Silver Haze have been taking way to long (Day 74 today) They are my second grow, my first were clones, and I had no idea how fast they would grow.

Ccoastal, I followed the Roots Master feeding schedule this last run, and around 30 days in, Every large fan leaf turned yellow, shriveled, and was cut. I didn't use the dry additives Uprising Grow and Uprising Bloom as they aren't included in the Player pack that I bought, and are not sold at the local hydro shop, a five minute walk away, next closest is about 150 miles. Would you suggest useing more Buddha Grow or Bloom? If so how much. The local shop sells all the roots liquid ferts, plus a slew of other brands.

Thanks for your help guys, always appreciated.

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i use maxicrop

Ccoastal said:

i would adivse against using fish emulsion durring flower as it will stay for around 3 weeks. although i have used Alaska Fish multiple times.

i use the full line , ancient amber, buddha grow/bloom, extreme serene, oregonism and all the other fun stuff

i would use buddha bloom @ 10ml for 1-2 feedings to make sure they slow the fade, if the fade is extreme use 15ml but taper off over 3 weeks and be totally cut of grow by halfway through flower and let them fade from there.

hope this helps

Ccoastal

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for a fairly long flowering haze, the extra N will help carry her through. most nute companies feeding schedules incorporate grow and bloom products in the beginning of flower anyways since in the beginning of flower plants still needs some N. i dont know what kind of emulsion you use but mine never lasts 3 weeks but even if it did, you need N in the first few weeks, otherwise you will be fading way to early in flower just like he said he did.

Roots has some N in the flowering nutrients, although some strains need more, some of my strains need HP2 durring veg because of their hunger for K.

as for fish emulsion i have 2, Alaska Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 and Alaska Morbloom 0-10-10, as always read the bottle !

says right on the label that the emulsions contain a fast and slow breakdown of nutrients that are fully absorbed after 3 weeks, requiring another feeding.

it was my impression that he was already a month into flower, making the 3 weeks fish emulsion would hang out reach beyond the tapering off stage.

Ccoastal

Ccoastal said:

Roots has some N in the flowering nutrients, although some strains need more, some of my strains need HP2 durring veg because of their hunger for K.

as for fish emulsion i have 2, Alaska Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 and Alaska Morbloom 0-10-10, as always read the bottle !

says right on the label that the emulsions contain a fast and slow breakdown of nutrients that are fully absorbed after 3 weeks, requiring another feeding.

it was my impression that he was already a month into flower, making the 3 weeks fish emulsion would hang out reach beyond the tapering off stage.

Ccoastal

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that was his last grow. his second post says he has been vegging for 2 1/2 months and will put them in flower this weekend. he is trying to prevent defecincey from happening again. i know the bottle might say 3 weeks but does it last 3 weeks on your plants because it dont on mine.

oh got ya, i had skimmed a bit.

when i was using the fish it lasted about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks, any more than that and they got the deep green/blue of nitrogen toxicity and wouldnt purple out in flower.

ive used the fish a number of times but the roots line is by far the best i have personally used, and i keep going back!

Ccoastal

I use the full roots organic lineup in roots organic soil, and was able to keep my plants green all the way through week 7, when I cut out the buddha grow.

I followed the roots feeding schedule but added hygrozyme, protekt, and GO calmag. The hygrozyme is used in the roots master feeding schedule and I think it played a big part in keeping my plants well fed and healthy.

When it comes to ph, I never bubbled anything, just mixed in RO water and adjusted to 6.2-6.3, using earth juice up.

Woohoo! Just got done trimming seven Silver Haze's! Now I have to clean out my tent, and set it up in a new room in my house. Fun times. I unfortunately didnt take any pics while trimming to show what the end looked like, but every fan leaf was yellow, or really dried up. Some of the leaves going into the buds were yellow , all the tops were purpleing, the stems were yellow and the only green not on buds were, some little leaf around the larf on the bottom of the plant. The lowest really yellowed the last few days. Having a completely deficient plant at the end of flowering seems like it would hamper THC production. My next batch are Haze hybrids with a 8 week harvest window, Jack the Ripper. I will flip the two big JTR's as soon as my tent is set up. Im concerned that one is really funky on top. I may have nutrient burned it with a foliar of CalMag that I sprayed about 3 weeks ago, though the new growth is green, the older leaves have beige dry blotches, not in any particular area of the leafs. Though a K deficiency can make the harder dark grey patches. They were beautiful until a few weeks ago. I will try the fish emulsion on one and more Buddha Bloom on the other. Thanks for the advice guys. I see though that neither the Alaska or the Maxicrop claim Organic. Maxicrop also shows %4.00 Chlorine. I imagine when adding that too water though would dilute the Chlorine significantly.

Another question, by the time I flip them they will have been in dirt for 80 days. I have never let very much water flow through them, they are in ten gallon Roots Organic bags, so that would require mass waterings. Should I do a little flushing to get rid of accumulated salts before the flip? Maybe run like ten gallons through each one? Could it hurt anything? Also I have read that pH should not be adjusted for Organics. Should I worry about a 8.1 pH? What about for a little DWC cloner that I made? Thanks again.

Can I use the player pack with tap water?