Refining Opium??

sludge factory

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This is my second time growing opium poppies, and I generally have no problems, but I never really understood how to refine opium?

What I usually do is score the poppy, let it sit for 7 or 8 hours, then collect the opium and smoke it.

But I heard that you can refine it.

Can someone help me!?

:-?
 

scraggy

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I can help you.........But 1st tell me what type of poppys ur growing? - I assume its Papaver somniferum (opium poppy) but there are many types all containing differing amounts of opiates.
Theres huge ones - Giganteum (like mine) or u may have some Tazmanian poppies (the best, numero uno and highest morphine content) or maybe u have one of the many other types, if you can let me know I can advise you more accurately because the Morphine/Codeine/
Narcotine and to a lesser degree Thebaine, Narceine, Papaverine, Codamine and Rhoeadine.exist in different quantities......Also how many are you growing approx?
I think you "may" be better just allowing ur poppys to dry, then colect dried pods. But let me know what u can plz......I have had some sucess in past, but I'd be wrong to give you advice when I dont know Morphine content, which i can get approx from strain.......If you have never touched opiates, then i'd grow something else entirely, cos this will make u dependant same as any other opiate if taken regular.......not nice.
 

sludge factory

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I'm growing the Giganteum strain, they're actually ready to be scored soon!

And I'm growing 12 of them.


I mean, I've grown these before, and I occasionally smoke O in low doses, but definitely not all the time!
 

Carribean Blue

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it is realy simple and shaggy is right papaver somniferum contains the most opiates any way a ten year old could refine opium if they were told only once so i dont think you will find it hard at all and you wont forget how to do it. ok here we go, add opium to a pan of water and bring to 70 degress celcius then stir till all opium is dissolved then get nylon stocking and fold it and pour the solution though it into a jar or bowl just something to hold the solution of water and opium then leave the opium to cystalize as the water evaporates. best way is to dissolve in as little water as possible and then pour the filltered solution into a large baking tray as the large the surface area for the water the evaporate to quicker the water evaporates and the quicker the opium cystalizes. if you are desporate you could heat the solution but be careful as you dont want to over do it and change the propertise as the first step to make heroin.
 

sludge factory

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Thanks! :-P

That sounds way easier that I thought it would be.

My poppies are ready to be scored today, so you definitely helped me a lot!

+rep


wait, but how much water would you recommend I use?
Or does that depend on how much opium I get?
 

smknnpokn

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I have wanted to start growing poppies but Im unsure of the best way to do it. I would like to do it outside but my understanding is they don't like the heat and I live in arizona where its super hot. Also how many plants is a good amount to grow like how much can you get out of a single plant? Any hints on the best way to grow them indoors or out would be cool. As far as refining goes basically is what you are saying is to just boil the collected opium in water and then strain the mixture through panty hose and let liquid evaporate
 

sludge factory

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I have wanted to start growing poppies but Im unsure of the best way to do it. I would like to do it outside but my understanding is they don't like the heat and I live in arizona where its super hot. Also how many plants is a good amount to grow like how much can you get out of a single plant? Any hints on the best way to grow them indoors or out would be cool. As far as refining goes basically is what you are saying is to just boil the collected opium in water and then strain the mixture through panty hose and let liquid evaporate

If you live in super hot weather, then I would grow them indoors.
I usually use fox farm soil (the original), but if you can't get FF, then good ol' miraclegrow works too!
Also, if you do grow indoors, plant them in a good pot, poppies never transfer well.

As for how much O is produced from one poppy, I grow the giganteum strain, and if I'm lucky, they produce 70-80mg of opium.
 

Duster

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Just to throw this out there, while that is an absolutely correct way to refine opium, there are more complex methods that yield a better product. With opium, you want to filter out as much STUFF as possible. A quick run down would be as follows:

Dissolve opium latex in water at a ratio of 1g to 10ml or thereabouts. Technically thats for poppy straw but latex works.
Heat to 60-80C, never going above 80 (70 would be ideal)
Let it "simmer" for 3 hours (it shouldnt bubble)
Strain through a non-paper coffee filter, cheesecloth, stocking, etc. Something fine, but not TOO fine. Thats later.
Fill plastic bottles roughly 2/3 full with solution and let freeze. Not all the way mind you, just until some chunks of ice form, then filter off the ice. Do it 3-4 times or until color starts showing in the ice.
Take some paraffin wax, barely get it melted, and add to the solution. Refrigerate solution (wax and all) until its cool/cold. Filter off wax.
Now, pass liquid through fine mesh bags (Im talking at least 10 micron here).

Let evaporate (never going above 80C if your heating it) and your done.

By the way, the freezing removes insoluble particles better than the filter, and the wax removes various plant fats and what not that filtering will not remove.

Labor intensive? Sort of. I mean really, all your doing is adding wax and freezing it, and filtering a bit more.

I also want to take the time to point out I did *not* write this on my own, I am in no way taking credit. I got it from another thread on another board that I have been a member of for a while. At least I didnt copy paste, I did paraphrase.

Regardless, its a method that works and yields a better product than almost anything else out there. Just depends if you want high quality or not.
 

sludge factory

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That was super long, but highly informative.

Thanks a lot! +rep

do you know where I can get paraffin wax though?
i've heard of it, but i'm not sure where to buy it.
And how much wax exactly should I use?
 

Duster

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You though that was long? You should see the WHOLE process with detail haha

Paraffin wax is candle wax. Look for candle making supplies. I think it goes without saying to avoid scented or colored ones. And to be totally honest, i dont know how needed it is (SWIM will do it, but still...).

As for how much, I dont think it is critical. your taking it out anyway, and water and alkaloids dont get caught up in it, so even if you add a whole bunch, you wont lose any "goodies". I guess as a start... Hmm... Maybe a tablespoon depending how much solution you have.
 

Carribean Blue

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i would start with a small amount of water and add opium and stir untill you get a high ammount of opium not dissolving to get a high consentration
 

Duster

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That would work if one already have cooked (refined) opium. But since your starting with poppy straw, it wont dissolve. Your trying to extract the alkaloids from the plant material, hence the excess of water. If you use too little, dont extract it all. Too much... well... nothing bad happens, just takes longer to evaporate.
 

Big P

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Cool i thought about growing them i got a bunch of seeds, is it too late to grow them now in southeast coast usa?

I make tea with dried poppy pods i purchase legally off the internet, i must say i am addicted,

like i will get sick if i dont drink the tea every other day, but its fun and i will taper off soon, then get back on it, still trying to master the dragon


I have stopped before without tapering off and i got real sick and very depressed for like 3-5 days


I actually am drinkin some right now, be careful tho
 

sludge factory

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Cool i thought about growing them i got a bunch of seeds, is it too late to grow them now in southeast coast usa?

i'd say you can still grow them outdoors. Poppies don't do well with really hot conditions, they like anywhere between 60-80f
You can always grow them indoors too!
 

Duster

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Just a little FYI, if one was to buy pods online in the US (cant speak for other countries) it is illegal. Everything but the seeds are illegal, this includes roots, dried pods, fresh pods, etc etc etc...

I know this probably doesnt apply to your country, just letting others know..
 

Big P

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actually i am in the usa, they advertise them as ornimetal dried flower arrangments and they are used across the USA for decorations and crafts. some websites sell ones that are not the ones that fuck you up. but many sell the ones that do fuck you up but they advertise them as dried flower arrangments and its tottally legal to buy. however they secretly know why poeple are purchasing them in mass quantities over and over again. they make sure thier poppies are potent. I cant post any of the websites that work here. if you pm me ill tell you a site but only in a few months as the place i like to use is sold out.
 

Duster

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I can assure you it is not legal. Title 21 of the USC states:

(17) The term “narcotic drug” means any of the following whether produced directly or indirectly by extraction from substances of vegetable origin, or independently by means of chemical synthesis, or by a combination of extraction and chemical synthesis:
(B) Poppy straw and concentrate of poppy straw.
Where:

(19) The term “opium poppy” means the plant of the species Papaver somniferum L., except the seed thereof.
(20) The term “poppy straw” means all parts, except the seeds, of the opium poppy, after mowing.
From:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/21/802.html

So it is entirely illegal, just not enforced much. Doesnt mean they couldnt, in theory, bust you for it (and them).

And just a side note for growing them:

(22) The term “production” includes the manufacture, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting of a controlled substance.
As far as sites selling them, a lot have been out lately, but I too found one that isnt, yet :)
 
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