Reeferman Burmese Pure (sativa) X Auto Hindu Kush turn Auto

Tiredofschwag

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DSCN1589.JPG I've been growing autos ever since they came out and got tired of waiting for a good auto sativa. So I made a seed run of my favorite sativa Burmese Pure with the auto Hindu Kush in order to work my way towards a good auto sativa. That was a long time back and since then there seem to be some good auto sativas. But last month I found these seeds and decided to try them out. Well I'm totally impressed. They are really really speedy. I started in 1 litre and transplanted at 3 weeks and moved them to the flowering table under 24 hour light. The next day the largest most Burmese Pure looking plant put out 2 hairs. 3 weeks to a day plus 1. The day after the Kush looking pheno put out 2 hairs. 3 weeks to a day plus 2. I also have 2 males under 24 hour lights. So I had success with the first crossing. The Burmese pure is a 63 day very fast regular sativa and my auto Hindu Kush were 43 days from seed to finish. I think these new seeds are going to finish very fast. So out of the six plants, 2 are male, 2 are female and two are undecided after a 28 days so probably non auto. We will see.

It's a week since the first hairs showed and now the two females are forming nice colas. The Burmese pheno stretched a bit with 3 inch internode lengths but now it's forming shorter distance and concentrating on the colas. The photo is the Burmese Pure pheno at 28 days under 24 hour lights.
 
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Here you can see how the two females at the back left stretched when put under flowering lights. The front left and the back right are the males that are just starting to show flowers. I really like the front left male as it has bluish leaves like the Burmese Pure. Of course I will make seeds on this run to sort for autos. The two that have not turned auto both look female and they're short. I will be patient though and leave the lights on 24 hours and wait.

In Reeferman's new cross Bodhi he claims the Burmese Pure is one of the 3 strongest sativas available. In the forums here someone asked for the strongest auto and Auto Hindu Kush came up on the list. I know from experience that the Burmese Pure is knockout sativa and my auto Hindu Kush were very good. So I might get some wonderful stuff. The original cross I had 3 Burmese Pure females and 2 Auto Hindu Kush males and got hundreds of seeds. With these seeds the first set of true leaves were coated with crystals. You can see the real sativa structure of the tallest female which lets in the light to the lower branches, and the lower branches are sticking way out into the light. The branches have also started flowering as well. The longest internode length is about 3 inches and the Burmese Pure had about 3 inch internodes. I love making seeds especially when they come out so nicely.DSCN1574.JPG
 
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In this cropping of the flowers starting to form on day 28 you can see that the leaves are also coated with crystals like the Burmese mothers which were just dripping. I'm using a new type of soil as Walmart deleted my old type. This time I'm using Miracle Gro potting mix with myke and shredded coconut fibre which is very light. I'm mixing it half and half with Schultz Premium Potting Mix which is very heavy and sticky. I love the result; it just feels great. It has mild nutes for 9 months and the plants just seem to love it too. I can't wait for the myke to be activated.
 

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im calling BS! pics of a plant finished in 43 days seed to finish?

im also calling bullshit on you making autos from an F1 crossing of an autoflower strain to a pure sativa, doesnt work like that.
 
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bf80255 said:
im calling BS! pics of a plant finished in 43 days seed to finish?

im also calling bullshit on you making autos from an F1 crossing of an autoflower strain to a pure sativa, doesnt work like that.
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I couldn't care less what you think because the fact is, that is what happened. Yes it was the first crossing and 2 turned female, 2 are showing male and two look like non-auto under 24 hour lights. The reason I posted was because I was surprised it happened. I have nothing to gain. If you would take the time to research Auto Hindu Kush you would see that other people had similar results. It's fast. My own seeds of Auto Hindu Kush X Pakistan Kush Ryder were also very fast indeed but not that fast. These seeds seem very fast as well. When I harvest a beautiful sativa auto (Burmese dominates) in a very fast time, you are welcome to call BS as well. Because I couldn't care less what you think.
 
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bf80255 said:
pics or gtfo
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The reason nobody can make an f1 auto is that they didn't use the Burmese Pure which is a very special land race sativa. It grows in Burma high up in the mountains just underneath the cloud layers and into the clouds. This is a low light area and the light is very blue because the reds are filtered out by the clouds. It is very cool and damp and therefore the plants are mold resistant. The growing season is very short with early frosts. After many hundreds of years it has adapted to these growing conditions. These conditions are similar to ruderalis which has low light due to the angle of the sun, cool conditions with a very short growth cycle with early frosts. Similar to ruderalis Burmese Pure has a very short growth cycle and is short in stature at 5.5 feet. According to Reeferman it frequently shows PRE-FLOWERS even under 18 or 20 hours light cycle. This is what I have found as well and when I switch to 12/12 it just bursts into flowers. Because it grows in very similar conditions to ruderalis it has turned into a race that is ALMOST an auto. So, it is very possible that crossing the almost auto with auto Hindu Kush that the first crossing would show auto. Also Auto Hindu Kush is one of the originals and has a heavy ruderalis quotient. It also might be mountainous as is the area of Hindu Kush.

I didn't think about Burmese Pure being an almost auto. I just made the cross because I love the Burmese Pure and was planning to make many generations and filter them out for auto. It's very easy if you just grow on 24 hour light cycle and throw out the non-autos and keep the auto males.
However when this happened, and I got the autos on the first crossing, I thought it was very interesting and that it would be interesting for the forum viewers to see.

I always grow from seed and have hundreds of seeds of this cross from 3 different mothers and two different fathers. It's easy to pop a few seeds and put them under 24 hours with my other autos and try to stabilize them for auto.

My next project might be interesting as well. Upstairs in the vegging closet I have 2 Muay Thai auto fem a little more than a week old in 5 gallon pots. They look great and waiting in the crisper are 8 seeds of Auto Lemon Haze non-female. Hopefully I can get a male and make some nice seeds of Hazy Lemon Thai. I'll let the Muay Thai get ahead a bit and then start up the non-fems.
 
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Here's a photo of the two females I took yesterday. The smaller female has really shot up and is just about an inch short of the other one. You can see that even the bottom branches are flowering. Please ignore the Moringa plants growing in the background.
 

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Tiredofschwag said:
The reason nobody can make an f1 auto is that they didn't use the Burmese Pure which is a very special land race sativa. It grows in Burma high up in the mountains just underneath the cloud layers and into the clouds. This is a low light area and the light is very blue because the reds are filtered out by the clouds. It is very cool and damp and therefore the plants are mold resistant. The growing season is very short with early frosts. After many hundreds of years it has adapted to these growing conditions. These conditions are similar to ruderalis which has low light due to the angle of the sun, cool conditions with a very short growth cycle with early frosts. Similar to ruderalis Burmese Pure has a very short growth cycle and is short in stature at 5.5 feet. According to Reeferman it frequently shows PRE-FLOWERS even under 18 or 20 hours light cycle. This is what I have found as well and when I switch to 12/12 it just bursts into flowers. Because it grows in very similar conditions to ruderalis it has turned into a race that is ALMOST an auto. So, it is very possible that crossing the almost auto with auto Hindu Kush that the first crossing would show auto. Also Auto Hindu Kush is one of the originals and has a heavy ruderalis quotient. It also might be mountainous as is the area of Hindu Kush.

I didn't think about Burmese Pure being an almost auto. I just made the cross because I love the Burmese Pure and was planning to make many generations and filter them out for auto. It's very easy if you just grow on 24 hour light cycle and throw out the non-autos and keep the auto males.
However when this happened, and I got the autos on the first crossing, I thought it was very interesting and that it would be interesting for the forum viewers to see.

I always grow from seed and have hundreds of seeds of this cross from 3 different mothers and two different fathers. It's easy to pop a few seeds and put them under 24 hours with my other autos and try to stabilize them for auto.

My next project might be interesting as well. Upstairs in the vegging closet I have 2 Muay Thai auto fem a little more than a week old in 5 gallon pots. They look great and waiting in the crisper are 8 seeds of Auto Lemon Haze non-female. Hopefully I can get a male and make some nice seeds of Hazy Lemon Thai. I'll let the Muay Thai get ahead a bit and then start up the non-fems.
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im sure reefermans burmese pure is a great sampling of what that landrace has to offer but its not all that special or exotic, I am well aware that some landrace populations produce plants that flower under near 24 hour light such as Iranian autoflower but ive never once read a report on a burmese landrace going auto under 24 hours or producing progeny that autoflower under 24 hour light. every cannabis plant should show preflowers during veg if its sexually mature.


im sorry boss i just think your lying is all, i wont troll or bother you anymore but everyone else be aware this guy is possibly spreading missinformation
 
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This quote came up in another forum about best auto:

"3. Afghan kush Auto - Very strong shit! This would be number 2 but the yield isnt that high, This baby can be ready in about 50 days from seed!"

So is a 43 day Auto Hindu Kush really so outrageous that someone should continuously scream BS,BS,BS??????

Sometimes know nothing know it all's can be so irritating. My best forum on Cannabis Culture had 23,000 hits and on Reeferman forums 18,000 or more hits. You seem to post a lot but basically regurgitate well known info.
 
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Here is a photo of the plants shortly after transplanting at 3 weeks old on Dec 14th. You can see that the 6 plants were pretty symetrical. The top two on the right that turned out to be the females did not like being transplanted the day before as they were not quite ready and the soil crumbled away from the roots when coming out of the one litre containers. They really went droopy. But they recovered and took off.
 

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My opinion about the plants has changed quite a bit. These are the two males on day 32. If they were auto they would be just covered in flowers and bursting with pollen, flowering even before the females. So these plants are in my opinion not auto flowering. The two smallest plants aren't showing any flowers at all. So that makes two females that auto flowered and four plants that did not auto flower. But I still need pollen if I am going to continue with my project to make a short, fast, potent auto sativa. So last night I switched to 12/12.

bf80255 was right about one thing. It isn't going to be that easy.
 

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These are the plants today on day 32 after their first 12/12 dark period. The male on the top right stretched about 2 inches and even the females stretched quite a bit. The females are now 20 inches tall. They look taller because the soil level is about 3 inches higher than the round pots. I had to switch to 12/12 because the male pre flowers were just sitting there for about 10 days not moving at all. But it means that I have to cross regular flowering pollen with the auto females to get the next generation. I always thought that this would be a long term project so I feel really, really lucky to have these two auto females. The second male is in the bottom centre and the two shortest not showing any flowers are on the bottom right and left.
 

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Tiredofschwag said:
My opinion about the plants has changed quite a bit. These are the two males on day 32. If they were auto they would be just covered in flowers and bursting with pollen, flowering even before the females. So these plants are in my opinion not auto flowering. The two smallest plants aren't showing any flowers at all. So that makes two females that auto flowered and four plants that did not auto flower. But I still need pollen if I am going to continue with my project to make a short, fast, potent auto sativa. So last night I switched to 12/12.

bf80255 was right about one thing. It isn't going to be that easy.
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I to, am in the middle of making a sativa dom. auto. I used Short Stuff, Auto Assassin x Acapulco Gold. Been in the process for a few years now and I finally got 2 different auto pheno's. Both were killer. So I'm going to work them both. But it's been a long process. And, like you, I saw my first hairs on the first cross and thought wow, I've got an auto already. But all marijuana will show sex, given enough time. So here's what I do. Knowing that an auto will show sex in no less than 24 days. More like 18 to 21 days. So I grow my fem. photo's right along side my auto's. I always veg. my photo's for 2 months while the auto's finish. This way, while I'm working my auto strains, I have the time, in those 2 months, to see who auto's and who doesn't. Plus in those 2 months, +/- 10 days or so, depending on the auto strain, I can harvest the auto's and then throw the photo's into 12/12.
I can tell you this though, Indicas will almost always turn into an auto on the first cross. Not always, but most of the time. And sativa dom plants just seem to take a lot more work. So hang in there and keep planting your cross seeds. If you've only made the 1 cross, then plant as many of those seeds as you can. Keep breeding for the shorter life span. At some point, your gonna have to back cross it. That's the key to making a stable strain.
 
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Thanks for all the helpful advise. That's funny, I also used Auto Assassin when making seeds with super Cali Haze.

Sometimes I think that trying to make a regular flowering variety into an auto variety is a big waste of time for me now. When I made these seeds there weren't any good auto sativas. Now however, if you believe the hype, there are lots of good auto sativas available.

But then when I think about the fabulous Burmese Pure I think it will be worth the effort. I was looking through the seeds today and I actually found two of the original seeds from Reeferman. They have to have been in the crisper for about 6 years or so. I'm curious to see if they would start.

The males are getting ready and look strong and very fast. I'm going to do a reverse defoliation and remove all the side branches that have flowers growing at their tips and leave the fan leaves and pick off any flowers at the internodes. I want the females to get bigger before I let the males flower. I should end up with hundreds of seeds of the f2.
 
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