Reducing green dragon on the stove?

NoBarriers

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I usually make small batches of green dragon, 1/2 oz bud ground and decarbed at 325 for about 6 minutes. Then added to 8oz of everclear and placed in a water bath and heated so the everclear is slightly boiling and reducing the alcohol to 4oz which takes about a half an hour. The tincture comes out brownish green and tastes a little like vaped weed but is super strong. One dropper full is nice but two and you are jelly.

Now after doing some research I made a batch but decarbed at 240 for on hour and heated it on the stove to 170f, not boiling but moving, for 30 min with only a slight reduction.

Now my question is if I doubled the amount of bud and did not reduce the tincture only heated it would the strength be the same as reducing it by half? Does reducing it do anything to the strength? I also noticed this tincture is much more green than the others which is due to the lower decarb temp leaving the bud a little greener but hopefully retaining other cannabinoids that would have been vaped at 325f.

I am going to start making large batches and don't want to boil off that much alcohol if possible. Any advise or tricks would be appreciated...
Thank you...
 

Hugo Phurst

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Since you're using everclear (100% right?), these are my recommendations.

Put the everclear in the freezer for a couple of days.
After you've decarbed and busted up the weed, put it in the freezer too...a day or two.

Put your frozen weed in a sealable container, cover with everclear, give it a shake for a minute, put it back in the freezer for 10 - 15 min, shake again, back in freezer, shake and strain/squeeze/filter.

Put the everclear back in the freezer for another day or two (or until you have enough weed to do it again), and repeat the process.

I know that you can do it twice with really strong pot, but I never heard about anybody doing it a third time.

Hope that helped
 

Kanivers

Active Member
You are absolutely correct. All you are doing by boiling is reducing the ratio of alcohol to trichomes. I do not boil my green dragon. I use the same ratio as you 1/8 for 2 oz alcohol. I decarb at 275 for 20 min then place in frozen grain alcohol in freezer for 3-5 days. I put a sample of flowers under a microscope to make sure all the resin has been properly extracted. If the strength is too week then boil it or reduce it until the dosage is right. Just make sure you strain it before you boil it. You can get away from boiling if you just add more flowers. It's all up to the individual and their tolerance. Freezing just locks up more chlorophyll so the taste isn't as bitter. If you boil it with flowers in the alcohol you will extract everything and the taste will be more bitter. If that doesn't matter to you then cook away!!!
 

Fadedawg

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You can pump up the concentration by adding more fresh material, but not close to how concentrated you can get it by reducing the alcohol. When extracting with alcohol, on a good day you might get a 50% mixture, but by reducing the alcohol, you can get a 90% or greater concentration.

If you will do a QWET extraction and then reduce that down, you can end up with a better tasting Brown Dragon.
 

NoBarriers

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So freezing would accomplish the same as heating it to 170 for a half an hour accept there would be less chlorophyll and terpens in the tincture. I have enough to make large amounts so I don't have to wait till I have more to add to the mix so I'd rather do it in one shot in the future. However now I have two quart jars of the weaker non reduced jars of tincture that I need to salvage.

Thanks for the info on the QWET Fadedawg, I followed a link to your tech. I understand that I can make it super concentrated by reducing it but would 8 grams in 2 ounces of alcohol (not reduced) = 4 grams in 2 onces reduced to 1 oz in potency drop for drop?
 

Kanivers

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I understand that I can make it super concentrated by reducing it but would 8 grams in 2 ounces of alcohol (not reduced) = 4 grams in 2 onces reduced to 1 oz in potency drop for drop?
I am going to say yes but I'm no expert. I would assume there is a threshold for absorption and at a certain point the ethanol will not absorb anymore, but I doubt 8g is the max for 2 ounces of ethanol. You will definitely have to press the material after to extract as much liquid as possible.
 

NoBarriers

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That's what I'm thinking but figured I'd get a few opinions before I dump another qp of bud in the tincture. I use a potato ricer with a screen and I can squeeze out every drop when I make butter and tinctures. Works like a charm.
 

Kanivers

Active Member
I would invest in a microscope. It takes all the guess work out of wondering if your material is still holding resin. I feel much more confident, especially when using glycerin.
 
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