Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Hello all your knowledge is amazing once I found this thread I couldn't stop reading it all the knowledge is a bit overwhelming but the best organic thread ever but I do have one question I am allergic to crab and shrimp so I was looking for an alternative for chittin
 

foreverflyhi

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Hello all your knowledge is amazing once I found this thread I couldn't stop reading it all the knowledge is a bit overwhelming but the best organic thread ever but I do have one question I am allergic to crab and shrimp so I was looking for an alternative for chittin
I am too! Fish will kill me! My advise to you, eh,, dont eat it??? Lol
Wear gloves, cover up with a mask, long sleeves,, take extra precautions, but im sure theres alternatives ; not sure of any
 
Thanks for the reply i just assumed that cannabis grow with an amentment that i am allergic to wouldn't be somethingi would wwanna smoke lol and I know this is super late but to cann and his comment about Phelan ha I lived there almost all my childhood life that place is flooded with weed so bad even the local cops grow hahah but it is a tweaker I fested hell hole so the armpit of cali would be a factual statement lol
 

Pattahabi

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Hello all your knowledge is amazing once I found this thread I couldn't stop reading it all the knowledge is a bit overwhelming but the best organic thread ever but I do have one question I am allergic to crab and shrimp so I was looking for an alternative for chittin
From Wiki:

Chitin (C8H13O5N)n (/ˈkaɪtɨn/ KY-tin) is a long-chain polymer of a N-acetylglucosamine, a derivative of glucose, and is found in many places throughout the natural world. It is the main component of the cell walls of fungi, the exoskeletons of arthropods such as crustaceans (e.g., crabs, lobsters and shrimps) and insects, the radulae of molluscs, and the beaks and internal shells of cephalopods, including squid and octopuses. The structure of chitin is comparable to the polysaccharide cellulose, forming crystalline nanofibrils or whiskers. In terms of function, it may be compared to the protein keratin. Chitin has also proven useful for several medical and industrial purposes. In butterfly wing scales, chitin is often organized into stacks of nano-layers or nano-sticks made of chitin nanocrystals that produce various iridescent colors by thin-film interference: similar, analogous structures made of keratin are found in iridescent bird plumage.[1]

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So you might be able to try one of these alternatives if you can't have any kind of crustaceans!

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reasonevangelist

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So, i answered my own question by just trying it (and it was actually BAS guy who said he's using his own cover crop blend for SST): Yes, the BAS cover crop blend works for SST, AND, without blending the seeds, you can still use the seeds for living mulch (which i'm sure is probably significantly less effective for SST, but "two birds, one stone" if you haven't yet applied your living mulch...). So, living mulch applied as SST (yes, i did a soak-rinse first, then another, then a full soak, then applied the contents at once; a day later, i feel like i need to mow my lawn... lol). Then botanical teas (aloe, coco water, alf, kelp, castings, soaked for ~24 with occasional shake mixing and air-changing), then BOOM... had been struggling w/ some brown splotches (either soil def, or SFW malfunction, or... almost certainly light poisoning from lamps too close, causing both bleaching and heat stress... combined with slight overwatering, caused swollen cells which overheated and ruptured their walls, destroying them... which apparently looks like various deficiencies...), but i backed the lamp off a bit, and now they're Dark green. I think they look quite healthy. One in the middle (first to pop, stalk almost-if-not-already as thick as a thumb) has giant "fan" leaves significantly larger than my hand (at the bottom... not much light down there, they'll probably fall off...), but just over 1 ft tall. Topped it the other day, despite its "short/squat/wide" characteristics. Noticed a couple strange small holes (literally 2 on top growth, couple mm wide)... perhaps a pest (which i still haven't seen), or perhaps a water droplet worked like a magnifying glass burning ants in the sun? (have been "misting" the leaves because it's hot in there...) So far, no visual on actual pest presence, minus those strange holes. There are no flying things that i can see, no foreigners attached under leaves... and i do have springtails (read they're beneficial)... and i did catch what looked like one normal house fly in the tent (and it really did not want to leave, so despite my attempts to simply and harmlessly scoop it out, i ended up having to flick it hard enough to kill it). I saw a... beetle looking thing, and a little spider of some kind (at least half a cm leg span, probably like 6-8mm). I've read that fast-movers are typically predators, usually not pests, and likely beneficial... but idk. All the gnats i've ever seen are kinda "fast."

'Bout a month above ground, *flip.* I didn't have the urge to check them every 10 minutes before, but after changing the timer, it hit me like a falling anvil lol. Even after a mere 8-9h dark period, i'm pretty sure i see some hairs and tiny sacs (and what has been the prettiest of the bunch so far, might be male... can't quite tell yet; tiny indicators and my eyes ain't what they used to be, and my phone cam is old and sucks, so no help there). I kinda want to just sit and stare at them for hours. I'm overly excited about these mysterious genetics. They're probably (maybe) all different... but they have a pretty unique smell so far: very... sweet and musky, i guess. "Dank" would be an appropriate term here, lol, but we'll see. It's a very... earthy, musky, sweet, sharp... maybe a bit of "caramel" perhaps. Maybe slightly "sour." It's difficult to describe, and there's probably different aromas emanating from each, and they're just mixing into this amalgamation aroma. Whatever it is, i like it. Maybe i'll eventually post pics... but... well... you know.

I've learned SO MUCH in these last few months, but this last month especially. I already know what (and how/why) i want to do differently next time (not that anything is particularly "wrong," per se, but optimizations can and should occur). I wish i had dropped fewer and mainlined as early as possible, when they were still making super tight nodes, due to being small enough to share the PAR overlap area. I kept the lamp too close for too long, over watered, then had to not water, distance the lamp and give them time to recover, which resulted in longer nodes. At least i learned (and can exploit it next time). :)

Meanwhile, i have a yard full/filling with leaves to rake... and i need to build a worm bin. ^^ (and some jars and a hygrometer would be a good idea...)
 

SpaaaceCowboy

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Patt...is it OK using mulch from a big bag store ? Do, you have to be concerned about bugs ?

Also, what about rubber mulch ? I bought, and I am using this stuff on an outdoor grow right now..It's nice in the fact that you can keep using it over and over....You think this would be ok to use after my outdoor grow is done ? Or is there actual beneficial stuff in real mulch ?
 

Pattahabi

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Patt...is it OK using mulch from a big bag store ? Do, you have to be concerned about bugs ?

Also, what about rubber mulch ? I bought, and I am using this stuff on an outdoor grow right now..It's nice in the fact that you can keep using it over and over....You think this would be ok to use after my outdoor grow is done ? Or is there actual beneficial stuff in real mulch ?
I wouldn't use mulch from a big box store unless I had no other option. Can you go outside and forage? Use your old canna leaves, etc? Then I also have a little white clover growing in mine atm. I don't worry about bringing in bugs on dead leaves and branches. The way I look at it, if they are something to worry about, they will be eating living plants, not hanging out in the dead stuff.

My 2¢
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Pattahabi

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@Pattahabi i thought that may be white clover. I was thinking of getting some for the veggie garden in the spring. What benefits have you seen from using a living mulch?
Hey Donp! Lots of benefits from a live mulch; aeration, added N, helps with watering/run off, adds organic matter, helps control pests and disease, increases microorganisms, helps build VAM and other beneficial root fungi populations, etc.

Peace!
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greasemonkeymann

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From Wiki:

Chitin (C8H13O5N)n (/ˈkaɪtɨn/ KY-tin) is a long-chain polymer of a N-acetylglucosamine, a derivative of glucose, and is found in many places throughout the natural world. It is the main component of the cell walls of fungi, the exoskeletons of arthropods such as crustaceans (e.g., crabs, lobsters and shrimps) and insects, the radulae of molluscs, and the beaks and internal shells of cephalopods, including squid and octopuses. The structure of chitin is comparable to the polysaccharide cellulose, forming crystalline nanofibrils or whiskers. In terms of function, it may be compared to the protein keratin. Chitin has also proven useful for several medical and industrial purposes. In butterfly wing scales, chitin is often organized into stacks of nano-layers or nano-sticks made of chitin nanocrystals that produce various iridescent colors by thin-film interference: similar, analogous structures made of keratin are found in iridescent bird plumage.[1]

Full Text

So you might be able to try one of these alternatives if you can't have any kind of crustaceans!

Peace!
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I wonder if cricket castings would have significant chitin in it? They are insects, and it's not all cricket manure, there are bits of dead crickets in there too
cricket frass, I think they call it? something like that?
 

hyroot

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I wonder if cricket castings would have significant chitin in it? They are insects, and it's not all cricket manure, there are bits of dead crickets in there too
cricket frass, I think they call it? something like that?
I had a bin with a few dead crickets when it got too wet in there. I didn't have any issues when using that batch of vc. They break down pretty quick probably. Just make sure there's no crickets in the garden. They will chew on the stems and leaves.
 

Pattahabi

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I wonder if cricket castings would have significant chitin in it? They are insects, and it's not all cricket manure, there are bits of dead crickets in there too
cricket frass, I think they call it? something like that?
Insect frass I believe they call it. It's possible, but I don't know for sure. It would be a small amount for sure. I use crab meal. ;)

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greasemonkeymann

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Insect frass is the tits!
I agree, I only have just recently started using it, but I like the consistency of it, and the plants seem to like it, but its hard to tell, the plants look good anyways, but in my HEAD the insect frass is helping, that's all that counts, sometimes I wonder if I need all the different amendments and should keep it more simple, but I like variety, and seems to me, more variety in organic amendments, would be less likely to have deficiencies. Same theory for my vermicomposting, and also my vitamins and diet. Seems to make sense, right?
 
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