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calliandra

calliandra

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They all look like they already know what yummy drinks are brewing up for them :D

The alien kush has such an amazing canopy!
How did you train her? And is she in no-till?
Cheers!
 
Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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calliandra said:
They all look like they already know what yummy drinks are brewing up for them :D

The alien kush has such an amazing canopy!
How did you train her? And is she in no-till?
Cheers!
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Oh they know... lol

Thanks, she does have a nice looking canopy. All I can say as far as the pruning/training is that it's a combination of LST, topping, supercropping and lollipoping. You have to watch each branch to see what they're doing and which type of hormone manipulation they need to fill out or elongate. Ultimately they are all lollipop right before the onset of bloom as to push up the hormones to encourage even apical dominance.

Yes she is most certainly ROLS No Till.
 
calliandra

calliandra

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Grandpa GreenJeans said:
Oh they know... lol

Thanks, she does have a nice looking canopy. All I can say as far as the pruning/training is that it's a combination of LST, topping, supercropping and lollipoping. You have to watch each branch to see what they're doing and which type of hormone manipulation they need to fill out or elongate. Ultimately they are all lollipop right before the onset of bloom as to push up the hormones to encourage even apical dominance.

Yes she is most certainly ROLS No Till.
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Your description so resounds with me!
Actually, I have a clone of my nl5xhaze here that I plan to grow free-standing as soon as her mother finishes in the scrog - and really look forward to that :)
The scrog has been rather uncomfortable, I think the difference is that we were working towards an exterior standard... whilst training as you have done the alien kush, she was able to grow out of herself and thus kind of ease into her final shape with your help -- not sure that makes sense haha :mrgreen:

Do you give your pots a rest between grows?
 
Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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calliandra said:
Your description so resounds with me!
Actually, I have a clone of my nl5xhaze here that I plan to grow free-standing as soon as her mother finishes in the scrog - and really look forward to that :)
The scrog has been rather uncomfortable, I think the difference is that we were working towards an exterior standard... whilst training as you have done the alien kush, she was able to grow out of herself and thus kind of ease into her final shape with your help -- not sure that makes sense haha :mrgreen:

Do you give your pots a rest between grows?
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I completely agree this is an exterior standard. Traditionally a plant like mine would /should be scrog, but that's without all the "re-enforcement" I've done.
The training techniques help with shaping but the real benifit come from the plant repairing the damaged tissue like with super or monster cropping. It acts like a knuckle and becomes an additional support.
If all the branches are done this way, and with the addittion of silica (foliar/liquid drench) the branches become like wood and don't need any support under the weight of flowers.
Ultimately this equates to a plant that can focus more energy into flowers rather than strengthening branches.

Yes they are rotated out every harvest, recycled, refortified with bokashi compost , fresh EWC, dry ammendments and cannabis mulch.
I have to get to making another 100 gallons soon as all I had to start was 100 and that's all being used currently.
 
calliandra

calliandra

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Grandpa GreenJeans said:
If all the branches are done this way, and with the addittion of silica (foliar/liquid drench) the branches become like wood and don't need any support under the weight of flowers.
Ultimately this equates to a plant that can focus more energy into flowers rather than strengthening branches.
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Aaahh, and it all falls into place :D
Hence also, the shrimp fermenting for chitinase?

Your reasoning on the supercropping really makes sense too -- haven't tried that yet, I'll keep it in mind when I go to train my girl :) it really is a question of seeing where it is appropriate, to go with the flow of the plant's growth. Feels right!

Thanks for sharing those pictures too -- I like how the center is cleaned out, I did that too little this run (following the principle of better less than more - as I should, as a noob ;) ).
Looks way better like that!
Cheers!:weed:
 
Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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Since I'm no till and completely unorthodox, let's use sheet and Spanish moss.
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Just to be sure of pH, I tested a 12 hr soak using 0ppm. Stabile at 6.0pH~
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Moss it up for those auxiliary roots from horizontal branches. Sheet first (dark green), then Spanish (stringy tan).
Note* 2 different moisture capacities, capillary, and ability to disolve 02 and exchange gases.
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calliandra

calliandra

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Grandpa GreenJeans said:
Since I'm no till and completely unorthodox, let's use sheet and Spanish moss.
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Just to be sure of pH, I tested a 12 hr soak using 0ppm. Stabile at 6.0pH~
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Moss it up for those auxiliary roots from horizontal branches. Sheet first (dark green), then Spanish (stringy tan).
Note* 2 different moisture capacities, capillary, and ability to disolve 02 and exchange gases.
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Now that looks yummy :)
How do you know the different abilites of the 2?
Could you explain why you chose mosses for the task of root stimulation?
And did you source them out in the wild?
Cheers! :)
 
Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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Well not much happening here.
WFA is stretching, not yet stacking.
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The ALK is going through a funk right now, I had wife feed/water her with some FPE/Ro/Di @300pppm and she isn't happy at all. Showing some pH on the lowest leaves and some tip burning.
She's definitely good-, and it straight 0ppm water from her on out.
However she is filling out nicely.
Her buds aren't the biggest now, but wait until she really gets going.
She's 11 days now Tru flower.
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Vegging nicely with the cuts and a strawberry cough.
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Grandpa GreenJeans

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Mary's Confidant said:
That ALK looks great. I love seeing trees grown indoors. Can't wait to see what you can pull off her.
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Thanks, I've seen her better but this bokashi mix that I'm running is in its trial stage indoors. I've ran it outdoors before flawless, indoor is proving to be a challenge. But all good things come in time.
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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What's the plant with the smooth, dark green leaves in with your seedling? I've really started to diversify the plants I grow now, I only ever grew MJ previously, now I've got the growing bug and my house and yard are full of all kinds of plants now, I can barely move for them pmsl

I've just sown some nasturtium, a variety of marigolds, some yarrow and a few sweet pea's for interspersing around my dwarf fruit trees and veg planters ready for spring. There's this old bloke down the street who takes great pride in a beautiful display of flowers he grows every year at the front of his house, it looks superb................well this year he's gonna have competition, lol.

the marigold came through first, shortly followed by the sweet peas, which seem to be stretching like mad and I've got 2 tiny yarrow just breaking the surface, no nasturtium yet, but they're bigger seeds and do take longer to germ.
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Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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DonBrennon said:
What's the plant with the smooth, dark green leaves in with your seedling? I've really started to diversify the plants I grow now, I only ever grew MJ previously, now I've got the growing bug and my house and yard are full of all kinds of plants now, I can barely move for them pmsl

I've just sown some nasturtium, a variety of marigolds, some yarrow and a few sweet pea's for interspersing around my dwarf fruit trees and veg planters ready for spring. There's this old bloke down the street who takes great pride in a beautiful display of flowers he grows every year at the front of his house, it looks superb................well this year he's gonna have competition, lol.

the marigold came through first, shortly followed by the sweet peas, which seem to be stretching like mad and I've got 2 tiny yarrow just breaking the surface, no nasturtium yet, but they're bigger seeds and do take longer to germ.
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Orchid that's going back into veg mode. It had some root problems and I had to cut off the majority of them. So she's in the tent with an RH of about 50%, she's growing more roots and leafs.
 
DonBrennon

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Grandpa GreenJeans said:
Orchid that's going back into veg mode. It had some root problems and I had to cut off the majority of them. So she's in the tent with an RH of about 50%, she's growing more roots and leafs.
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cool man...........I believe they're pretty fussy food wise and difficult to flower aren't they?
 
Grandpa GreenJeans

Grandpa GreenJeans

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DonBrennon said:
cool man...........I believe they're pretty fussy food wise and difficult to flower aren't they?
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They can be depending on variety. This one is a phalenopsis. It's a very common orchid found in stores.
But I'm in the process of expanding my orchid garden. I'm going to build a terrarium with high pressure mist heads or use the 9 disk pond fogger I have to maintain RH. Orchids need high RH!!
Also getting into carnivorous plants too. I have a few Venus Fly Traps, sundews and pitcher plants, that will be sharing the terrarium.
As far as feeding, the orchids get a bark mix for substrate and nutrients just run out and don't stick, so I tend to foliar feed them in veg and early flower. Sometimes I'll give them a soil drench but only for the purpose of keeping the bark media hydrated. I may put 1/8 strength salts in the water for this depending on amount of roots and the size of the plant.
 
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