Ready for flush? Week 6

AllenHaze said:

Something I do often and I'm sure is a common practice among posters. I didn't expect you to be there, watching the thread - like a crazy person I might add - and grabbing my quote within seconds.

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"High IQ"... Alerts..dumbass.

AllenHaze said:

You're desperate to win this, I can see that but all you have to throw are insults.

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Again the reflecting... Since you have such a high IQ, this should be easy to grasp: It's your ego that got hurt after simple well-meant piece of advice, and as typical the judging follows and you want to compare me to you so you wishfully-thinking make up things about me, and with lack of inspiration and knowledge about me, you use your own state of mind and emotions as a reliable "source" (pun intended). The fact that you feel the need to post that you have a high IQ, that you have a sister who you could ask your "simple [yet completely backward] question" and so desperately wants to pretend I give a fuck, only shows what an insecure little fucker you are. If you're half as smart as you think you are that just takes some intellectual honesty (see sig) to realize.

AllenHaze said:

I'm actually enjoying this.

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Ah, you're one of those masochist types right?

AllenHaze said:

I'm used to getting shit from people who can't answer a simple question when confronted. .... I'd just want facts.

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Stop reading my lines ffs. Gimme that.

You should have waited to post that. By the way IQ, = 135. That's nothing though, my uncle's is 165. Jorge wins. Still no hard feelings. I'd really like to hear what you have to say about the link I just posted.

I am under the impression that misting with straight water daily will disrupt
transpiration and nute uptake causing the plant to use reserves that are stored in the leaf.

Some people do it to depleat nitrogen for easier cloning.

AllenHaze said:

You should have waited to post that. By the way IQ, = 135. That's nothing, my uncle's is 165. Jorge wins.

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The fact that you posted the number after my previous post is just sad man... How is your IQ even relevant (I agree, 135 is not as special as you might think... your uncle, yeah, he'd impress me, but how the hell is that relevant other than trying to repair your hurt ego?).

Now, grab a bottle of RO/distilled water, spray it on your leaves, and see how many nutrients leach from it... and then see how much your document "Nutrient leaching from Acer rubrum leaves by experimental acid rainfall" applies... Still liked your post though, nice try, you should have posted that instead of acting like a butt hurt summerfag (no offense, just an expression).

AllenHaze said:

Still no hard feelings though.

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Concentrate harder and repeat it 5 more times and maybe it will become reality. Seriously, unlike you, I don't actually enjoy it when someone in a discussion gets butthurt over nothing... don't tell anyone I said that.

charface said:

I am under the impression that misting with straight water daily will disrupt
transpiration and nute uptake causing the plant to use reserves that are stored in the leaf.

Some people do it to depleat nitrogen for easier cloning.

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Wtf.... party pooper.

Sativied said:

The fact that you posted the number after my previous post is just sad man... How is your IQ even relevant (I agree, 135 is not as special as you might think... your uncle, yeah, he'd impress me, but how the hell is that relevant other than trying to repair your hurt ego?).

Now, grab a bottle of RO/distilled water, spray it on your leaves, and see how many nutrients leach from it... and then see how much your document "Nutrient leaching from Acer rubrum leaves by experimental acid rainfall" applies... Still liked your post though, nice try, you should have posted that instead of acting like a butt hurt summerfag (no offense, just an expression).

Concentrate harder and repeat it 5 more times and maybe it will become reality. Seriously, unlike you, I don't actually enjoy it when someone in a discussion gets butthurt over nothing... don't tell anyone I said that.


Wtf.... party pooper.

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Well I fucked up.
im usually wrong anyway do its all good

AllenHaze said:

I won't bother him with trivial bs. I can't find any literature on it though. It's so easy to be misconstrued as a dick in these forums with the lack of tone and everything but that's not my intention - to be clear.

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Yeah I was teasing because UB seems to have a bit of a hair trigger on the subject of flushing. I don't really see how it's possible to flush plants like radiators or something but what the hell do I really know

Sativied said:

The fact that you posted the number after my previous post is just sad man... How is your IQ even relevant (I agree, 135 is not as special as you might think... your uncle, yeah, he'd impress me, but how the hell is that relevant other than trying to repair your hurt ego?).

Now, grab a bottle of RO/distilled water, spray it on your leaves, and see how many nutrients leach from it... and then see how much your document "Nutrient leaching from Acer rubrum leaves by experimental acid rainfall" applies... Still liked your post though, nice try, you should have posted that instead of acting like a butt hurt summerfag (no offense, just an expression).

Concentrate harder and repeat it 5 more times and maybe it will become reality. Seriously, unlike you, I don't actually enjoy it when someone in a discussion gets butthurt over nothing... don't tell anyone I said that.


Wtf.... party pooper.

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Wow, you didn't read very far did you? You're behaving like a child. It gives the definition of foliar leaching right in the introduction. The initial definition of "foliar leaching" is, "Foliar leaching is broadly defined as the removal of substances from plant leaves by the action of rain, dew, fog and leaf washing." It then goes on to say, "Nutrient leaching from vegetation has taken on added importance as pollution and rainwater acidification have increased in recent decades." This makes it very clear that the definition of foliar leaching is pre-established to the study of acid rain on foliar leaching. BAM! Oh yea, Still no hard feelings.

Holy moly. Sativied is mean. Your plants look great though DONSCROGGIN. I can't wait to start some of my own. Oh yea, I read that thing you guys posted and it seems like the alienhaze guy is right. Is this how well known members act all the time? It makes me afraid to ask a question lol.

Alienhaze? lol. Its okay, not the first time. Not all of us are so aggressive. Good luck on here man.

AllenHaze said:

Wow, you didn't read very far did you?

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Because I quoted the title to refer to your doc instead of the first pages...?

AllenHaze said:

You're behaving like a child.

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Reflecting... Yawn...

All this bragging about your IQ yet I have to point out that the phrase "foliar leaching" in that doc refers to nature... rain, dew, fog, resulting in substances being leached into the soil over time. The tests involve acid rainfall. You are being intellectually dishonest... see sig again (you intelligence is of little use without intellectually honesty, ask your uncle )

Does Jorge include instructions for soaking the leaves in water? Does he tell you to buy a "superior leaf washing apparatus"? So again, get some RO water, spray on the leaves, and then tell me where does the shit go? Simple question... Or spray so much on it that you get a drain from the leaves to measure. Wouldn't surprise me if it actually raises a few ppms... If you're such a genius it should be obvious that that doc implies merely spraying some water on leaves it isn't an effective means to "leach" nutrients so my comment about it being poorly worded remains standing. Moreover because it's not actually what's causing the nutrient depletion as perceived by Jorge. Sorry if that upsets Jorge fans. Geez, didn't even say his books sucks, just that clearly some people are drawing the wrong conclusion from that poorly worded phrase. Spoiler in post #43...

Tom Ato said:

Holy moly. Sativied is mean.

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Only to "mean" people, especially when they edit their "mean" posts... And defoliators. And people who disrupt proper discussions by getting butthurt over nothing. And Eskimos. Fuck-king Eskimos...

AllenHaze said:

Not all of us are so aggressive.

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And not all of us are such enormous hypocritical fucks... You flipped over some well-meant advice asshat.

You're right. I edited my post. I edited within 30 seconds after posting it but you had already quoted it and ftr it was in no way derogatory. I edited it because I recognized how it may have been interpreted - a practice you fail to follow. If what sativied posts is any indication of what has been edited out I can't imagine the first things that he thinks of. He must get pretty angry.

What do you expect from people when you patronize them? Not everyone is dumber then you are. I may have taken what you said personally but I didn't insult you - you took it to that level and on the internet no less. You behaved like a child, bottom line. How are you ever to be taken seriously outside these forums if you behave like that? I don't take back anything that I said because none of it was a tenth as bad as the rants you posted. I love you sativied.

Asshole, been waiting here like a crazy person for your reply for like I don't even remember how long... I guess I will just have to make the most of out it then:

AllenHaze said:

He must get pretty angry.

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Says the hothead who got butt hurt and flipped over well-meant advice.

AllenHaze said:

What do you expect from people when you patronize them?

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Says the dumbass who thought his high IQ would mean anything...

AllenHaze said:

Not everyone is dumber then you are.

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At least you learned that today, now if you were to stop being such a reflecting simpleton...look in the mirror and realize who you are talking about.

AllenHaze said:

You behaved like a child, bottom line.

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Ah the Butthurt Fallacy again... the bottom line is that you started acting like a little bitch and crapped all over your keyboard - I'm just rubbing your face in it.

AllenHaze said:

How are you ever to be taken seriously outside these forums if you behave like that?

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Exactly the question you should be asking yourself, again...

AllenHaze said:

I love you sativied.

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I know... and you enjoy this right I'm just typing words, let me know if you want more.

Actually, let's play again tomorrow. It's getting late here.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/161983-first-grow-help-me-grow-my-baby-its-drooping.html
Scroll down and read what the moderator "STinkyAttic" has to say.

http://coweeta.uga.edu/publications/publications/5th group/pdf/575.pdf
"Leaching, which is defined as the movement of substances derived exclusively from plant tissues to an aqueous solution in direct contact with vegetation"

You realize it is as simple as an ionic exchange right? Did I really have to point that out?

Well maybe but how is a study from "regenerating southern appalachian forest canopy" relevant to container gardening?

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Well maybe but how is a study from "regenerating southern appalachian forest canopy" relevant to container gardening?

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I understand your point. Its relevant to plant biology - something that does not change to such a degree simply because of where plants are grown.
Sativied will take that out of context and say something like "Why do you think there are greenhouse, outdoor and indoor strains you fucktard - or variability in the first place? There are strains suited for different environments because of genetics - a broad area of discussion and selection and an area I know sativied is not ignorant of. I doubt there was ever an incentive to breed the process of "foliar leaching" out of cannabis. Anthocyanin, carotenoid, chlorophyl - the same across the majority of the plant kingdom. Just because a person is black doesn't mean their heart isn't red or pumping oxygen. An analogy - something sativied lacks comprehension of or prefers to ignore in favor of ridicule. Regardless of outdoor or indoor environments. Its all right there .

I'll repost the following definition: "Leaching, which is defined as the movement of substances derived exclusively from plant tissues to an aqueous solution in direct contact with vegetation" Then, This one that is very similar: "Foliar leaching is broadly defined as the removal of substances from plant leaves by the action of rain, dew, fog and leaf washing." There is no argument here. These are the facts - something that a certain other poster has failed to present. I'm convinced that the misconception here arose because of the confusion between the two definitions. One describes the process that sativied is referring to and the other is apparently much less common of a definition found in cannabis botany and horticulture. If he wanted to settle this he would stop using insults in place of citations. I would seriously like to see something suggests otherwise. I don't claim to know everything and my quest is for clarity. Bottom line. No bad feelings though. I like to argue because it is intellectually stimulating. So, call it masochism if you like. Take it easy. Pax Nobiscum and

Uh oh. He's here.
Going to go pack something heavy.

"The outer [epidermal] wall [of the leaves] is covered by a cuticle (cuticle proper) and a layer of epicuticular waxes which are often well and typically structured. (bartloth 1990) These waxes are excreted by the epidermal cells and consist of long-chain alcohols, ketones, and esters of long-chain fatty acids. Waxes also occur intracuticularly within the cuticle and in the cutinized layer. The cuticle consists mainly of cutin, a mixture of long-chain fatty acids. The chemical and physical properties of the cuticle differ between outer and inner surfaces, a distinct gradient occurring from the hydrophobic (lipophilic) outer surface to a more hydrophilic inner surface of the cutinized layer. The cutinized layer is normally the thickest part of the epidermal wall and consists of a cellulose skeleton, incrusted with the cutin, wax and pectin."
"The cuticle and cutinized layer have diverse functions. A major function is to protect the leaf from excessive water loss by transpiration." "The other main function of these structures is to protect the leaf against excessive leaching of inorganic or organic solutes by rain. "
"Mineral Nutrition of Higher Plants" by Horst Marschner.
-Something that evolved over thousands of years and long before pollution-induced acid rain.

AllenHaze said:

Uh oh. He's here.

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Have you been following my profile page like a crazy person to see when I would come back to this topic?

AllenHaze said:

I don't claim to know everything and my quest is for clarity.

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Bullshit, your quest as you made clearly early on is "winning", as if there is something to "win"... Considering the intellectual dishonesty you've shown in this thread you're not looking to "expand your perception", you're not looking for "clarity". If that were the case you would have pulled your head out of your ass at post #43.

The doc you posted being a typical example of a confirmation bias shows again you are desperately trying to be "right", while all I said is that it's poorly worded....

AllenHaze said:

You realize it is as simple as an ionic exchange right? Did I really have to point that out?

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Dude, you are not even half as smart as you think... For the third and last time faker: "So again, get some RO water, spray on the leaves, and then tell me where does the shit go, where do nutes leach? Simple question..."

AllenHaze said:

Did I really have to point that out?

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Awww, did that comment make you butt hurt again... you're way too obvious.

AllenHaze said:

http://coweeta.uga.edu/publications/publications/5th group/pdf/575.pdf
"Leaching, which is defined as the movement of substances derived exclusively from plant tissues to an aqueous solution in direct contact with vegetation"

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Have you told yourself yet today you're acting like a child?

Just a random quote to show how full of shit this guy is:
A storm was defined as a period of greater than 0-6 mm of rainfall, occurring
between dry periods of at least 6h duration (see Lovett & Lindberg 1984 for a
similar definition). Twenty storms were sampled throughout the period July 1984-
August 1986.

If you think that document is going to help your case (reverse foliar feeding "leaches" nutrients being a great way of describing what actual goes on) any more than the other I think you should perhaps stop doing online IQ tests and get your head examined.... see post #50.

AllenHaze said:

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/161983-first-grow-help-me-grow-my-baby-its-drooping.html

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AllenHaze said:

Scroll down and read what the moderator "STinkyAttic" has to say.

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Ok, he had to say "Stop using a water spray as it is probably just leaching the leaves out further with that." ... so some random grower in a forum poorly worded it in 2008 too and you think that is a valid source or valid argument? It shows why I explained something about authoritative sources in the first place, it shows how pathetically desperate you are to "win"* something you created in your own head...

Keep googling for foliage leaching and pretend you understand anything...

Intellectual honesty:

• One's personal beliefs do not interfere with the pursuit of truth;
• Relevant facts and information are not purposefully omitted even when such things may contradict one's hypothesis;
• Facts are presented in an unbiased manner, and not twisted to give misleading impressions or to support one view over another;

AllenHaze said:

I like to argue because it is intellectually stimulating.

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Exactly, you like to 'argue', I'm in "the pursuit of truth".

Unlike you, I like to be proven wrong, as that means from that point on I can be pretty sure I'm right. A similar approach would serve you well, instead of arguing for the sake of arguing.


*FYI: most people here aren't even capable of realizing when they lost a debate...

AllenHaze said:

"The cuticle and cutinized layer have diverse functions. A major function is to protect the leaf from excessive water loss by transpiration." "The other main function of these structures is to protect the leaf against excessive leaching of inorganic or organic solutes by rain. "
"Mineral Nutrition of Higher Plants" by Horst Marschner.
-Something that evolved over thousands of years and long before pollution-induced acid rain.

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More confirmation bias in a blind pursuit to patch your ego. What it says it that leaves are protected against excessive leaching. As the other documents, it proves my point you ignorant fucker.