farmerjoe420
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how do you figure that?
Raising Nutrient Mix pH
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Medi 1
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thats what ph does. puts the ellements in the right level to be best uptaken easily by the plant. not using ph makes the plant work to hard to get at the food and strains it and dosent get the full amounts so in tuern we use more to fulfill its needs....try it. each medium has its own ph needs to. look up cation exchnage. the plant will throw out a certain ph to what element it needs and if that element isnt there it cant eat tonight....lol.
farmerjoe420
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i understand cation exchange and how ph affects nutrient uptake. but my question was, how can you say im using too much food because of wrong ph levels when you dont know what medium im growing in, what ferts i use dosage or anything about my grows. as a matter of fact i never said anything about PH problems or lockout. its amazing how you can come to that conclusion when i havent said a single detail about any of my grows besides using baking soda to adjust nutrient solutions.
farmerjoe420
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another example of a RIU know it all. why dont you read threads first before you post in them.
Medi 1
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you dont pH. and you hit it bang on each time even at diff food dosages???..how. each diff dose will make a diff ph end result. no need to get all snotty dood, just make the post and talk about it instead of the insults, why do peeps on here always go there...dont get it
farmerjoe420
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dude what r u talking about??
Lord Dangly Bits
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Wolverine97
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Honestly, I'm not sure. To me it seems that since it is sodium bicarbonate, the sodium itself would/could build up to dangerous levels. Potassium bicarbonate (often used as a topical fungicide for foliage), on the other hand, should accomplish the same goal without the risk of sodium buildup. Again, I'm not sure about this, but it seems logical to me anyway.
Medi 1
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sodium bi-carb is baking soda and kills microbial life. potassium bi-carb isnt baking soda and is organic.
ok you said you dont get why i say ph will let us use less foods??..because if you dont ph then all elements are never at the equal level they need to be uptaken as they need it. so with not using ph you never get the same or right ph they need. you get each diff ph number according to how strong you made the nute mix and is diff each time with each diff dose...adding 5 ml versus 20ml of potsssium wont bring it to the same ph. usualy recipes are made so that a full dose will drop ph to the right ph number needed. not all companies do this but most do, so at a kless than full dose your ph is out everytime without adjusting it to its needs....hope that make more sence.
ok so if your at say 5.8 for ph after nutes...your making her deff in nitro that is a higher ph. or say your at 6.3 then you have little and p for her as those are lower ph. so we make up for that by using more food than is needed so there is an ample suply for her to grab at will. but to ph it then we dont need as much food mix as its more readily available...make sence???
ok you said you dont get why i say ph will let us use less foods??..because if you dont ph then all elements are never at the equal level they need to be uptaken as they need it. so with not using ph you never get the same or right ph they need. you get each diff ph number according to how strong you made the nute mix and is diff each time with each diff dose...adding 5 ml versus 20ml of potsssium wont bring it to the same ph. usualy recipes are made so that a full dose will drop ph to the right ph number needed. not all companies do this but most do, so at a kless than full dose your ph is out everytime without adjusting it to its needs....hope that make more sence.
ok so if your at say 5.8 for ph after nutes...your making her deff in nitro that is a higher ph. or say your at 6.3 then you have little and p for her as those are lower ph. so we make up for that by using more food than is needed so there is an ample suply for her to grab at will. but to ph it then we dont need as much food mix as its more readily available...make sence???
farmerjoe420
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first off i never posted anything about not knowing why ph lets you use less food. i said i dont understand how you can say i use too much nutes because i never even gave any details about my grows aside from using baking soda to adjust my solution and not having any problems using it. i understand how PH affects nutrient uptake. i also understand how different companies buffer their nutrients. what i dont understand is why me saying that i use baking soda to successfully adjust my solutions equals using too much plant food. this thread isnt even about me i just shared my experience with the original poster.
Medi 1
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ya i know your not the origianl poster so sorry for tryin to help. wasnt meant as any sorta insult at all dood. nor was sayin using to much foods.
i wasnt sayin baking soda makes us use more than needed its the not using pH once we mix the foods. all i said about bakinbg soda was that it kills our microbial life in the medium as does the chlorines,chloramines,H2o2
i thought the last portion of the above post explained the over use of foods by not using ph to get it to where it should be after mixing the food to water, sory guess i cant explain it any simpler
i wasnt sayin baking soda makes us use more than needed its the not using pH once we mix the foods. all i said about bakinbg soda was that it kills our microbial life in the medium as does the chlorines,chloramines,H2o2
i thought the last portion of the above post explained the over use of foods by not using ph to get it to where it should be after mixing the food to water, sory guess i cant explain it any simpler
farmerjoe420
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i believe you did say i was using too much food.
farmjoe420, you are acting like a jackass and I hope you know it, because if you really don't understand what Medi 1 meant then you need to go read it again.
All Medi said was if you(as in anyone) don't test ph then you are using food less !efficiently! than if you did ensure your ph was right. Meaning either your plants aren't getting enough nutes, OR you are meeting the plants demands, but having too use more nutes than necessary to do this. Unless you are able to have the exactly right ph all the time without testing. And that you should always test ph and run off because information is a good thing.
All Medi said was if you(as in anyone) don't test ph then you are using food less !efficiently! than if you did ensure your ph was right. Meaning either your plants aren't getting enough nutes, OR you are meeting the plants demands, but having too use more nutes than necessary to do this. Unless you are able to have the exactly right ph all the time without testing. And that you should always test ph and run off because information is a good thing.
farmerjoe420
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hey coolwhip i adjust my ph and i understand what he said you fucking retard. thats the whole point of my post is that i adjust my nute solutions with baking soda. you need to go read it again you fucking asshole. where in this post did i say i dont test or adjust PH?
How is it going with the above process? i am starting to follow the roots schedule and have noticed when I mix the nutes the PH drops to around 4.3. What did you notice to be a good run-off ph for you? What ph did you have success with when PH'ing your nutes. My RO water is at 6.2 and I am planning feeding every other...
Thanks in advance!