Quantum Kush 38% THC?
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Amos Otis
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Of course you did. You said .......
That doesn't jive with my sentence that you quoted, as I pointed out.
It's a minute point in the overall discussion, but you trying to play 'gotcha' by distorting my statements is.... curious. Why the tactic?
It's a discussion, not arm wrestling - unless you're not comfortable with words and truth.
st0wandgrow
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Lol!! Split hairs much?
OK, let me phrase this super duper careful so as not to put words in your mouth. The country, both economically and defensively was already "trashed" by January of 2009.
Better?
Edit: It's not a "tactic". You continue to try to blame Obama, and yet never once mention the man that started this entire fiasco. If you want to carry on the "discussion" leave your FOX News partisan bullshit at the door.
Amos Otis
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Look.....just for accuracy - you're wrong.Lol!! Split hairs much?
OK, let me phrase this super duper careful so as not to put words in your mouth. The country, both economically and defensively was already "trashed" by January of 2009.
Better?
Edit: It's not a "tactic". You continue to try to blame Obama, and yet never once mention the man that started this entire fiasco. If you want to carry on the "discussion" leave your FOX News partisan bullshit at the door.
I've never blamed Obama for starting "this entire fiasco". I do, however, fault him as a failed president who has led this country to it's weakest position in history economically, militarily, and socially.
FOX News partisan - moi? Here's what I said back on page 8:
"[ FoxNews - The O'Reilly Factor ]. Tune in tonight as he says they'll show documented evidence that criminal pot 'gangs' are stronger now in CO than before the legal changes there. He's been on this soapbox for months. I'm a regular viewer, and agree with some points of view / disagree on others."
Partisan = 'agree w/ some / disagree w/ others'? Hmmm, a very 'liberal' interpretation....lol. There's more:
"I'm not an O'Reilly flag-waver, btw - his is just the show that came up."
[page 9]
"Word. Both [Hannity and O'Reilly] basically use their guests as props, and will talk over them in a second if they start making a positive case the host disagrees with. #1 complaint. I'd love to see Hannity canned. Dude hurts his own causes. FWIW - O'Reilly's report on black market pot dealers in CO was seriously lame."
How does a partisan advocate firing one of the faces of the network, and refer to another's viewpoint as 'seriously lame' ?
On page 16, I said this to you:
"As a post discussion note: disagreements among friends - even strenuous one - only end weak friendships. [ argue that
]"to which you replied: "Can't argue that. Well said"
I say all that, to say this: I'll not follow you into taking a personal angle in these 'conversations'. I can, and will, agree or disagree with what you and others I respect say, and limit it to the viewpoint, without personal slights and sneers. I'm cool that way.
BTW - here's another quote from you, regarding the 'fiasco':
"I honestly don't know what the answer is.." [page 15]
Answers, to you, don't seem anywhere near as important as blaming the U S, Bush, and FOX News. Just an observation, friend.
Amos Otis
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While going back through this thread, the ISIS angle began at about page 14 - mid August. In the two months since, the thread has chronicled the first terrorist beheading in the US, a teenager gunned down at a stop light by a self-described jihadist, and two jihadist killings of military men in Canada.
TonightYou
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It's 38% bro! Jump on it!
Well Obama is disappointed to many on the left, or those who voted for him to begin with. I Expect politicians to over promise, nonetheless I'd vote for him again both times without hesitation. John McCain, a man I respect and really liked in 2000 (John, why did you jump on the crazy train?), wouldn't of handled the economic mess in a greater way (his economic policies are terrible), he'd have us engaged in more foreign conflict, and for fucks sakes, Sarah Palin is a goddamn joke. I'd dream if calling her the dumb ass that she is.
Romney, what a failure from a political stance. The man just wanted to buy his way into the Oval Office. So many things wrong with him.
At least Obama has lead a life of civil service. I don't want a business man, particularly one so close to industries they manipilated in the Oval Office. He's made mistakes but who doesn't. Plus I'm not thrilled with his overall moderate policis and failure to promote economit growth for workers. He's done things I like, reforming health care (but where is my single payer system goddamnit), the consumer protection agency (why republicans think protecting their constituencies from bad business practices are beyond me), finally being honest on civil marriage for gay families as well as the military, so some good. But he's a moderate and I'm tired of the Democratic party being republican lite
st0wandgrow
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Look.....just for accuracy - you're wrong.
I've never blamed Obama for starting "this entire fiasco". I do, however, fault him as a failed president who has led this country to it's weakest position in history economically, militarily, and socially.
FOX News partisan - moi? Here's what I said back on page 8:
"[ FoxNews - The O'Reilly Factor ]. Tune in tonight as he says they'll show documented evidence that criminal pot 'gangs' are stronger now in CO than before the legal changes there. He's been on this soapbox for months. I'm a regular viewer, and agree with some points of view / disagree on others."
Partisan = 'agree w/ some / disagree w/ others'? Hmmm, a very 'liberal' interpretation....lol. There's more:
"I'm not an O'Reilly flag-waver, btw - his is just the show that came up."
[page 9]
"Word. Both [Hannity and O'Reilly] basically use their guests as props, and will talk over them in a second if they start making a positive case the host disagrees with. #1 complaint. I'd love to see Hannity canned. Dude hurts his own causes. FWIW - O'Reilly's report on black market pot dealers in CO was seriously lame."
How does a partisan advocate firing one of the faces of the network, and refer to another's viewpoint as 'seriously lame' ?
On page 16, I said this to you:
"As a post discussion note: disagreements among friends - even strenuous one - only end weak friendships. [ argue that
to which you replied: "Can't argue that. Well said"
I say all that, to say this: I'll not follow you into taking a personal angle in these 'conversations'. I can, and will, agree or disagree with what you and others I respect say, and limit it to the viewpoint, without personal slights and sneers. I'm cool that way.
BTW - here's another quote from you, regarding the 'fiasco':
"I honestly don't know what the answer is.." [page 15]
Answers, to you, don't seem anywhere near as important as blaming the U S, Bush, and FOX News. Just an observation, friend.
If I've put words in your mouth I apologize. I am genuinely confused as to your position on this so maybe I have reached at times to draw conclusions.
What I take exception to is you continuing to dismiss my (and TY's) attempt to understand WHY this is happening. You keep saying that it doesn't matter why, the cat's out of the bag, it's too late, etc ("yadda yadda yadda"). I disagree with you on this. Why is it too late? Why is it pointless to try to understand this in an effort to change things? Perpetual war is something that nobody should be OK with. If you have a leaky pipe under your sink are you just resigned to the fact that you'll be living in an inch of water for ever, or do you find out why the pipe is leaking and fix it?
You are correct in saying that I lay blame at the feet of American policy makers. We share a big role in why this is going on, and why we are being targeted. I have never once condoned the actions of these jihadist lunatics lopping peoples heads off. They are doing this for a reason though. It's not that difficult for me to see why they hate us so much. I would despise a country that accounted for 5% of the worlds population, and yet consumed 25% of it's resources ..... with an ever expanding imperialistic approach that included indiscriminate bombing/killing of my family, friends, neighbors.
Honest question for you Amos: Flip the script. How would you feel towards another country that was doing that to you?
natro.hydro
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If putin started running some shit on america I wouldnt stand for it.
I think what stow is getting at is our defense budget is of world conquest proportions, and hile obama signed something scaling our defemse budget back i still have yet to see that come nto effect. Cant remember the exact number In the millions that these drone strikes are costing us each day. Team America World Police...America, fuck yeah!
I think what stow is getting at is our defense budget is of world conquest proportions, and hile obama signed something scaling our defemse budget back i still have yet to see that come nto effect. Cant remember the exact number In the millions that these drone strikes are costing us each day. Team America World Police...America, fuck yeah!
Amos Otis
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Awesome !!! Exactly the response I was hoping for, amigo !
I'll get back to you on some of your points - I've got some gardening to do. But in the meantime.....I'll answer your last question......
I think that's a valid point.
As I've said, I think there was a time that finding true fault and attempting corrective measures might have been worthwhile. I also believe we're long past that point. Let's say G W and Obama held a world news conference where they jointly blamed themselves for all the trouble with Muslims - all Muslims - every Muslim. They begged forgiveness, withdrew all Americans from every grain of sand, and then vacated and knocked down another NYC tower as a show of true remorse.
What happens then? Do you think the jihadists quit? Sign a treaty? Shake hands and go back to killing everybody else? If not.......then what is the importance of dwelling in the inaction of blamefinding, while the enemy continues to advance? Serious question.
I'll get back to you on the rest...got a
to finish and work to be done. Fat Grape Cheese is blowing my mind @ week 5 !! 
Amos Otis
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You don't think he already has?
TonightYou
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Awesome !!! Exactly the response I was hoping for, amigo !
I'll get back to you on some of your points - I've got some gardening to do. But in the meantime.....I'll answer your last question......
I think that's a valid point.
As I've said, I think there was a time that finding true fault and attempting corrective measures might have been worthwhile. I also believe we're long past that point. Let's say G W and Obama held a world news conference where they jointly blamed themselves for all the trouble with Muslims - all Muslims - every Muslim. They begged forgiveness, withdrew all Americans from every grain of sand, and then vacated and knocked down another NYC tower as a show of true remorse.
What happens then? Do you think the jihadists quit? Sign a treaty? Shake hands and go back to killing everybody else? If not.......then what is the importance of dwelling in the inaction of blamefinding, while the enemy continues to advance? Serious question.
I'll get back to you on the rest...got a
In what world do apologies from nation states even remotely look like that? Plus you are making the mistake, one you have made over and over again, in thinking all of the world's 1 billion Muslims hold such views. There are several factions of Muslims, many who are not radical.
You really are over simplifying a situation. The point is not apologizing to anyone, it'a to cooperate in the region, and to stop arming people that shouldn't be armed. Coalition building with neighboring states would be much more productive than our current policies.
TonightYou
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Quite the opposite. We are economically stifling Russia now. Haven't thought about why gas prices are going lower and continue to do so? It's not just a supply and demand, demand hasn't fallen, supply has increased, and the United States is collaborating with other nations to drive gas prices down in addition to the sanctions on Russia slowly eroding their European market.
st0wandgrow
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Awesome !!! Exactly the response I was hoping for, amigo !
I'll get back to you on some of your points - I've got some gardening to do. But in the meantime.....I'll answer your last question......
I think that's a valid point.
As I've said, I think there was a time that finding true fault and attempting corrective measures might have been worthwhile. I also believe we're long past that point. Let's say G W and Obama held a world news conference where they jointly blamed themselves for all the trouble with Muslims - all Muslims - every Muslim. They begged forgiveness, withdrew all Americans from every grain of sand, and then vacated and knocked down another NYC tower as a show of true remorse.
What happens then? Do you think the jihadists quit? Sign a treaty? Shake hands and go back to killing everybody else? If not.......then what is the importance of dwelling in the inaction of blamefinding, while the enemy continues to advance? Serious question.
I'll get back to you on the rest...got a
In your scenario (which is a little over the top) I feel that the dividends would paid down the road. There will always be radicals. There will always be nations at war. I guess I just don't feel we need to be front and center in every instance.
If we withdrew our troops, closed our military bases, and minded our own business I truly believe that future generations of Muslims would feel differently about us. They may not love us, but indifference would be a likely outcome.
In addition to this we could use our troops to *truly* secure our borders and ports. I read an article a while back which stated something like only 1% of cargo gets inspected at our sea ports.
We would also save a shit load of money by not constantly waging war. This seems to be the problem though. Saving money isn't the objective. War is very profitable, and having a defined boogey-man enemy in the mid east serves as just the right tool to justify the never ending war machine.
natro.hydro
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When I say "runnig shit on america" what I meant was similar military nannying. Can you really say that what we do to other nations gov'ts would be accepted if something similar happened to us? Because I am pretty sute the only thing that keeps the chinese from taking the reigns from us is the fact that they would have to fight just about every american to take our freedom. I dont think everyone fighting with isis is for their vision of a caliphate but more just to fight america/"the west". Just like how while I think our current system is atrocious I would fight land invasion force of america tooth and nail
TonightYou
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The Chinese have their own problems. Their economy is a house of cards just waiting for a readjustment.
natro.hydro
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Ya I am aware of the political tensions in HK and the real estate bubble they are riding. Just uswd it as ean example like I did with putin because those are the two nations that come to mind that wouldnt mind holding the keys to the white house and have the potential to do it of anyone in the world
st0wandgrow
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Good to hear bro. Had a hunch that it might!Fat Grape Cheese is blowing my mind @ week 5 !!
Amos Otis
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What I take exception to is you continuing to dismiss my (and TY's) attempt to understand WHY this is happening. You keep saying that it doesn't matter why, the cat's out of the bag, it's too late, etc ("yadda yadda yadda"). I disagree with you on this. Why is it too late? Why is it pointless to try to understand this in an effort to change things? Perpetual war is something that nobody should be OK with. If you have a leaky pipe under your sink are you just resigned to the fact that you'll be living in an inch of water for ever, or do you find out why the pipe is leaking and fix it?
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OK...a lot to catch up on; pardon me if I rush through it a bit:
I would fix the leaky pipe if it was fixable. If I determine that there's very little left of the pipe, and it's unfixable - and if there's no other pipes available - then it becomes useless to spend my time wondering what caused the pipe to go bad...and who is to blame.
What I take exception to is you continuing to dismiss my (and TY's) attempt to understand WHY this is happening. You keep saying that it doesn't matter why, the cat's out of the bag, it's too late, etc ("yadda yadda yadda"). I disagree with you on this. Why is it too late? Why is it pointless to try to understand this in an effort to change things? Perpetual war is something that nobody should be OK with. If you have a leaky pipe under your sink are you just resigned to the fact that you'll be living in an inch of water for ever, or do you find out why the pipe is leaking and fix it?
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OK...a lot to catch up on; pardon me if I rush through it a bit:
I would fix the leaky pipe if it was fixable. If I determine that there's very little left of the pipe, and it's unfixable - and if there's no other pipes available - then it becomes useless to spend my time wondering what caused the pipe to go bad...and who is to blame.
Amos Otis
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Intentionally over simplifying, in fact, to move the discussion out of the 'blame game', and into the 'what's your thought's on the now'? If TY and stOw were in charge of our gov't - today - how would this stoner administration deal with ISIS?
Keep in mind - they are here, and have began carrying out terrorism in N America. Like rats, if you see one, you know there's 5 more you don't see. So....you don't actually have a lot of time to hope to change the hearts and minds of future Muslim generations.
You have to find a plan that guarantees the safety of Americans, so that the country survives to future generations. IMO, that's your dilemma - what's your plan that has a chance to work?
I didn't quote it all, but I don't disagree with much in your post, other than - like TY - an assumption that N America survives intact to deal with problems forever and ever.
I think that assumption is vastly underestimating the very serious problems that are not in the future, but are, in fact, at hand.