Purposely herm a plant

robbiek312 said:

So, hypothetically, if I wanted to turn a plant hermie, what would be the best way to go about that?
Basically, I have a great strain, but i picked it up as a clone. and I want to continue growing it, but I think I might have to postpone the growing of it for a few months, and I want seeds so I can start over at a later date.

I have NO experience with hermies at all, cause I don't fuck with my ladies all the time, or drunkenly drop shit on them (bmeat)
Also, if I understand correctly, a self pollinated wench gives off feminized seeds?

I know people here have a habit of taking their sweet ass time replying to threads, so no rush I should probably just search google for info. But I feel that info off google is all written by bmeat

thanks in advace

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That meatbeater is one relentless troll. As mentioned, your best option is cloning...which took me 2 years to master. Self-pollination or hermaphrodites can also be induced by changing light cycle during flowering. I found that out the hard way due to a timer malfunctioning, but if you plan on smoking off this plant it isn't the way to go. When females begin to go to seed, they focus their energy of reproduction as opposed to resin production.

The fem seed issue from a he/she mother has long been debated amongst breeders. Years ago when I grew strictly bagseed, I tried an experiment with this by growing out 20 beans from a hermaphrodite mother. Of those 20 beans, 16 were female 3 male and 1 hermie.

I have been told those ratios will vary by strain.

I would not plan on smoking the lady I use to make seeds, that is strictly her job.
and as I mentioned, I have been taking clones the entire time I have been growing this strain, I just see a time in the future (due to my current situation) where I will be out of a place to live/grow for a few months and I want some seeds for use when I can start growing again.

Coho said:

Overflower all the popcorn..way overflower. Usually gets ya some nanners and seeds.

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so chop them and then leave them in flower? I can collect the pollen and pollinate a different plant later, right?
and how much is "way" when it comes to overflowing, like 2-4 weeks or 6-8 more weeks.?
This might be a viable option as I could just leave it in the flower room for a few more weeks (after harvest) then plop that bitch outside and let nature run its course

and hey 4/5 is pretty damn good odds.

Sunbiz1 said:

That meatbeater is one relentless troll. As mentioned, your best option is cloning...which took me 2 years to master. Self-pollination or hermaphrodites can also be induced by changing light cycle during flowering.

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CS is cheap and much more effective and reliable than light stress. No hermaphrodites are used in making feminized seeds.

Sunbiz1 said:

I found that out the hard way due to a timer malfunctioning, but if you plan on smoking off this plant it isn't the way to go. When females begin to go to seed, they focus their energy of reproduction as opposed to resin production.

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Actually, seeded bud is stronger than unseeded bud. If you remove all the seeds and then test versus unseeded, it will most likely be stronger. I always throw out of my seeded bud because I always let it go so long to make fat seeds. The buds were always over ripe.

Sunbiz1 said:

The fem seed issue from a he/she mother has long been debated amongst breeders.

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Nope. Breeders know what is up with feminized seeds. The only debate going on is from people that do not understand feminized seeds.

Hermaphrodites are not used to make feminized seeds.
Properly made feminized seeds from stable genetics will produce seeds that are 100% female.
Feminized seeds are just as likely to produce male flowers as the parent(s).

Sunbiz1 said:

Years ago when I grew strictly bagseed, I tried an experiment with this by growing out 20 beans from a hermaphrodite mother. Of those 20 beans, 16 were female 3 male and 1 hermie.

I have been told those ratios will vary by strain.

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That has nothing to do with feminized seeds.

I have a pretty decent knowledge of biology, specifically plant bio, and punnett squares.
Stable genetics in NO way proves that offspring will be 100% female. If anything, stable genetics would make it 100% 50/50 male to female ratio, as the way nature intended.
The only way to ensure 100% female there has to be some sort of genetic manipulation, because in nature there needs to be both males and females.

It would not be benneficial for any plant to ONLY produce female seeds, that would kill their species. in order to have a greater ratio of female to male seeds, they had to have been pollinated by a hermaphrodite plant.

your missing the point , ga3/c silver makes the plant create male flowers but its genetic disposition remains unaltered , the pollen is female only , the plants created have a minor hermmie tendency but thats based on stress educed and therefore is a phenotype being expressed , its not an expression of its genetic make up

you can dick about with nature to enable just female plants but its not accurate (ethylene gas )

and yeah the bud is normally a heavier hitter after being seeded , no idea why

robbiek312 said:

It would not be benneficial for any plant to ONLY produce female seeds, that would kill their species. in order to have a greater ratio of female to male seeds, they had to have been pollinated by a hermaphrodite plant.

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Robbie bro u were right take the info frm all ur sources weed thru it no pun take what u feel best fits ur needs I've been on riu for about a year Good peeps here a lot of knowledge and also ignorance I've been wanting to create my own strain I will one day just filling my note books fill me in on how it goes

robbiek312 said:

I have a pretty decent knowledge of biology, specifically plant bio, and punnett squares.
Stable genetics in NO way proves that offspring will be 100% female. If anything, stable genetics would make it 100% 50/50 male to female ratio, as the way nature intended.
The only way to ensure 100% female there has to be some sort of genetic manipulation, because in nature there needs to be both males and females.

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Properly made feminized seeds produce 100% female plants.
Feminized seeds are not made from hermaphrodites. Hermaphrodites have both an X and a Y chromosome.

Feminized seeds are made by making a female plant (XX) produce male flowers.
That does not make it a hermaphrodite. When you spray it with colloidal silver or otherwise manipulate it into producing male flowers you do not change the dna or add a chromosome magically.

Every female cannabis plant has the ability to produce male flowers and pollen. That pollen, lacking a Y chromosome, could not produce a male plant, it does not have the necessary genetic material.

robbiek312 said:

It would not be benneficial for any plant to ONLY produce female seeds, that would kill their species. in order to have a greater ratio of female to male seeds, they had to have been pollinated by a hermaphrodite plant.

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Every female cannabis plant has the ability to produce male flowers and pollen. It is a normal and natural survival mechanism. It is part of the reason cannabis exists. It does not make every female plant a hermaphrodite.

So If I stress my female plant with light pollution or any other method, and it turns herm, you're saying that a herm plant has both x and y chromosomes.
It was a female XX before turning herm, which now contains a Y chromosome (as you said). It did magically appeared out of thin air, which you stated couldn't happen, but then you said it does..?
Im not trying to be a dick, I just see flaws in your previous statement and want to make sure I am understanding correctly because you are contradicting yourself..

I am not contradicting myself, you do not understand what a real hermaphrodite is.
A real hermaphrodite has X and Y chromosomes.
If you stress a female plant (XX) into showing male flowers it still does not have a Y chromosome.
A female plant that has only X chromosomes with male flowers is not a real hermaphrodite.
It can produce pollen and therefore seeds but not male plants.

You tell um trousers!!! Not sure if you all have seen some of the stuff trousers has done with his plants but its pretty impressive and I thank him for the time spent experimenting and sharing results!!