Rob Roy
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Can you please provide an example where a person that doesn't use the government school system isn't forced to pay for them, Comrade Poopy Pants?
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londonfog
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Like who ? of course you not talking about yourself, because we know you used the hell out of the government school system. Do you know people who does not have ANY ONE in their family somewhere who does not go to public school? Did they themselves not go to public schools. Are they complaining about paying property tax? If so please tell them to come on and speak for themselves. I would love to hear their argument, because we know you are not one that falls into that category.
I hope you also realize that property tax does pay for more than just schools.
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Rob Roy
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I don't mean to insult you, so when I say I believe you have a comprehension problem it's meant as a matter of fact, not to fuck with you.
I get it, you like government schools. You and your friends should be free to pay for them and use them. Those that do not use them and prefer something else or nothing else should be free to pursue that and not be forced to pay for that which they do not use.
Same goes for your laundromat. If I have a washing machine at home, do you think I should have to pay you, even though I don't use your business?
londonfog
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yes you should still come and get your laundry done at my laundromat. Big items like blankets, comforter, and such could add a lot of wear and tear on home machines. You can also do 10 loads at one time, so if you have a lot of laundry it would be cheaper on your utilities.
Dude I think you are one complaining SOB, so I never take your talk as insults...I just look at it like an old nagging female.
Rob Roy
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Ahem....The question was IF I don't use your laundromat, should I be forced to pay you anyway?
Yes, I agree, you are like an old nagging female.
londonfog
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If your mother was a man would you still call her mom.
Rob Roy
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This isn't somehow gonna turn into a Bruce Jenner conversation is it?
londonfog
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Bruce is a man who wants to be a woman. No IF about it
I agree with those who think we should be paying for public school systems through taxes even if we have no one going to a public school system. If I had no children (which I do), I would still be fine with some of my tax money going towards the school system.
Now, what I dont like is how our government can go blow the money on bullshit then raise taxes "for the schools".
Almost yearly we get a threat from our local government that if we don't raise taxes, schools will have to shut down.
So of course, voters will agree to a tax hike because OMG schools cant shut down!
Now, what I dont like is how our government can go blow the money on bullshit then raise taxes "for the schools".
Almost yearly we get a threat from our local government that if we don't raise taxes, schools will have to shut down.
So of course, voters will agree to a tax hike because OMG schools cant shut down!
ginwilly
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That's a big point of contention with me. We have a school board, a city board (in the larger cities), a district board, a county board of education, a state board (2 if you live in California) and the federal board. If we don't give them more money though, Suzy can't have art class.
The business model schools have carved out with legacy costs ever increasing, this will be a continual fight until we change it.
UncleBuck
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you didn't answer either question, shit for brains.
but you did use them and did not reject them, spaMBLA.
UncleBuck
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yes, move somewhere with little to no property tax. moses mobetta talked about the place he lived where he paid $14 a year in property taxes, and farmed $2000 worth of straw that just grew wildly.
why don't you leave your blue state and move there, to that red state paradise, spaMBLA?
UncleBuck
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you should try voting. that's kinda how our nation works.
UncleBuck
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rawn pawl lost, get over it.
The moment I find someone worthy of my vote, I will stand in line.
The only politicians I like arent in my voting district. Harold Ford Jr. and Steve Cohen would both get my vote if I lived in an area to vote for them. I do believe both are corrupt like all politicians, but neither throws it in your face and both are willing to take stands for the right things, even if they are few and far between.
londonfog
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wait you don't vote at all. Not even on the local level
ginwilly
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Teachers union in NY started a charter school to prove that charter schools can use union teachers and still excel. It's now one of the worst performing schools in the state.
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/02/8563129/uft-shuttering-lower-grades-its-charter-school
Who knew a system that protects shitty teachers would be a bad business model?
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/02/8563129/uft-shuttering-lower-grades-its-charter-school
Who knew a system that protects shitty teachers would be a bad business model?
ginwilly
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Another example of the good work teachers unions are doing for our kids.
http://nypost.com/2015/02/01/teacher-keeps-job-despite-unsatisfactory-rating-six-years-in-a-row/
Six strikes and she’s not out.
The city Department of Education has failed to fire a teacher rated “unsatisfactory” for six consecutive years. Ann Legra, 44, a first-grade teacher at PS 173 in Washington Heights, racked up “six years of failing her students,” the city argued in a 16-day termination hearing.
Hearing officer Eugene Ginsberg upheld charges of Legra’s “inability to supervise students,” excessive lateness and absence and poor lesson planning in the 2012-2013 school year.
But Ginsberg dismissed evidence that Legra was a lousy instructor, saying she didn’t get enough coaching.
He imposed only a 45-day suspension without pay. Legra keeps her $84,500-a-year salary, but is now assigned to a pool of 1,400 teachers who serve as substitutes.
Maybe we are just not paying these poor teachers enough.
http://nypost.com/2015/02/01/teacher-keeps-job-despite-unsatisfactory-rating-six-years-in-a-row/
Six strikes and she’s not out.
The city Department of Education has failed to fire a teacher rated “unsatisfactory” for six consecutive years. Ann Legra, 44, a first-grade teacher at PS 173 in Washington Heights, racked up “six years of failing her students,” the city argued in a 16-day termination hearing.
Hearing officer Eugene Ginsberg upheld charges of Legra’s “inability to supervise students,” excessive lateness and absence and poor lesson planning in the 2012-2013 school year.
But Ginsberg dismissed evidence that Legra was a lousy instructor, saying she didn’t get enough coaching.
He imposed only a 45-day suspension without pay. Legra keeps her $84,500-a-year salary, but is now assigned to a pool of 1,400 teachers who serve as substitutes.
Maybe we are just not paying these poor teachers enough.
londonfog
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the median expected annual pay for a typical Public School Teacher in the United States is $52,901
http://www1.salary.com/Public-School-Teacher-salary.html
http://www1.salary.com/Public-School-Teacher-salary.html
ginwilly
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Nice piece about a lady with 1 child in charter school the other in public.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/alvena-destine-charter-school-saved-daughter-article-1.2098492
Yet the panel postponed the vote rather than guarantee the school the room it needs to grow. This school was fifth in the entire state last year in math. How could the city not give it space? It is depressing to me that this could be in question. We need to be finding ways to replicate schools like my daughter’s — to spread them dramatically, so ever more kids can experience what she has experienced.
Now, my daughter is in third grade, and she helps her fourth-grade brother with his homework. He doesn’t like it, because she is younger than he is, but she helps him with his reading, and everything else. She also does this around the neighborhood, helping kids in her own grade and in higher grades.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/alvena-destine-charter-school-saved-daughter-article-1.2098492
Yet the panel postponed the vote rather than guarantee the school the room it needs to grow. This school was fifth in the entire state last year in math. How could the city not give it space? It is depressing to me that this could be in question. We need to be finding ways to replicate schools like my daughter’s — to spread them dramatically, so ever more kids can experience what she has experienced.
Now, my daughter is in third grade, and she helps her fourth-grade brother with his homework. He doesn’t like it, because she is younger than he is, but she helps him with his reading, and everything else. She also does this around the neighborhood, helping kids in her own grade and in higher grades.