Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

justinbars

justinbars

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*trying to remember what i learned in my junior high science classes*
just because the big bang points to a beginning of this universe doesn't automatically point to creation, god and a plan (do not even see where a plan comes in that you spoke of). what if the concentrated mass that the big bang was based around was from another universe prior that had collapsed on itself, and this is just one of the cycles the universe goes through? even though this example was made up on the spot and has no evidence, it shows that there are still plenty of other ideas and explanations out there that we need more information to either prove or disprove. We do not know enough about the universe yet to make generalization like that, we still have a long way to go until we can start to make theories about the origins of our universe
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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justinbars said:
*trying to remember what i learned in my junior high science classes*
just because science shows that the big bang was this beginning to this universe doesn't mean that the big bang was the complete beginning. who's to say that the concentrated mass that the big bang came from isn't from another universe prior that had collapsed on itself, and this is just one of the cycles the universe goes through. science doesn't know enough information about the universe yet to make rash generalization like that
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It doesn't.

The teacher may not have understood the material, the material may not have been accurate (depending on the state there can be really ignorant people deciding what goes in textbooks), and it's possible you just weren't paying careful attention to what was being taught.

Inflation and Expansion (the Big Bang) is the concept that is supported by most of the current evidence. It only determines how our universe as it is took shape. It makes no claim as to what happened before. With the information we currently have, anything before inflation is purely speculation and probability.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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But it has been proposed that there are alternate universes, and that a tear may occur and through that tear, an inflation begins (our universe).
This then leads to the speculation that our universe may one day tear, and start another universe ... maybe there is a domino universe game going on.

These are such large scale issues that there is a distinct probability man and his science will NOT understand what is truly happening before extinction. Certainly it will not be answered before any posters extinction :wink:. One must accept it.
 
justinbars

justinbars

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morgentaler said:
It doesn't.

The teacher may not have understood the material, the material may not have been accurate (depending on the state there can be really ignorant people deciding what goes in textbooks), and it's possible you just weren't paying careful attention to what was being taught.

Inflation and Expansion (the Big Bang) is the concept that is supported by most of the current evidence. It only determines how our universe as it is took shape. It makes no claim as to what happened before. With the information we currently have, anything before inflation is purely speculation and probability.
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I said "who's to say", kind of like a "what if". anything after the "whos to say" is just a hypothetical example i made up on the spot based off of information i learned in school helping prove my point that we don't know enough about the universe to make generalizations about a god being the creator. i didn't mean to imply that i learned that the big bang was part of a universe cycle or anything like that or that what i said had any evidence behind it. (ill edit it to match my thoughts better)
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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On the contrary, beliefs based on science are EASILY defended.

Beliefs based on myth is NOT defensible AT ALL.

See the difference?
 
WelcomeToTheWest

WelcomeToTheWest

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justinbars said:
we still have a long way to go until we can start to make theories about the origins of our universe
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Origins to me don't really matter - in the now does.

Do you know what our planet is involved in right now? Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfTq0aVHkF0

Your avatar reminded me about our most precious star, the sun. I love the sun so much - without it, we wouldn't be here. As you can see, our solar system is bouncing through the milky way like a ball falling down an endless hole. The heliosphere was created by our sun's magnetic force.
Without it, we wouldn't be part of this galaxy. You wouldn't be you. So stop thanking God and thank the Sun you are alive.

Thank the stars - you share the same atoms as them Jesus didn't die for you, a star did and there's physical proof of that.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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justinbars said:
I said "who's to say", kind of like a "what if". anything after the "whos to say" is just a hypothetical example i made up on the spot based off of information i learned in school helping prove my point that we don't know enough about the universe to make generalizations about a god being the creator. i didn't mean to imply that i learned that the big bang was part of a universe cycle or anything like that or that what i said had any evidence behind it. (ill edit it to match my thoughts better)
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No worries. Those were just three possibilities of why information might be presented like that.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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CrackerJax said:
But it has been proposed that there are alternate universes, and that a tear may occur and through that tear, an inflation begins (our universe).
This then leads to the speculation that our universe may one day tear, and start another universe ... maybe there is a domino universe game going on.
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And as more data is collected the hypothetical becomes the theoretical, the possible becomes the probable, and we have ourselves a new understanding.
Yay, science! :)
 
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PadawanBater

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OK, so we've been over the "proof" part of a gods existence... Not really much in that dept., and there is a reason (not yet understood by the majority of believers) why one must depend upon faith to believe in it...

But what about the "purpose for mankind" bit?! - I'd love for someone to try to get 7 billion people to agree on that one...

What could that possibly even be? I doubt you could get 2 people to agree on what God's purpose for mankind would be exactly. Purpose is subjective. Your purpose is not the same as my purpose. We create, identify and pursue our own individual purposes.
 
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