Potency Difference between Quick-Dried & Long-Cured Buds

Hey guys,

so as the title goes, what's the difference in the potency and the type of high of a fast dried bud and the same bud, thats been dried and cured for a proper time, and why?

so here's my experience:

i took a bud off my gnome auto in day 95 and look at the trichomes: 70% clear, 30% cloudy, no noticeable amber.
so i trim the bud and put it in my grinder, add some dry tobacco and grind it. then i spread it all over a A4 sheet of paper and put it on the radiator for 1 hour. then i Roll it Up and smoke it and holy shit!
i've been smoking 6 to 9 joints a day for years now, but after smoking 1/3 of what i just rolled i feel like i'd get a heart attack if i continue! it's a medium/strong head high followed by a very extreme body buzz.

so i was wondering how difference the high would be, when i dry and cure them for say 1 month, and most importantly, WHY?
 
The general accepted idea/theory as to why curing works (not my text):

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You need air and some moisture as they allow the aerobic bacteria to come to life (in the curing jars).
They (the bacteria) will consume chlorophyll and make your buds smoke smoother. Less harsh on the throat and tastier on the pallet.

The trick is to leave the proper moisture content in the bud, leaving just enough water and air to allow the bacteria to feed on the chlorophyll.
"

Now, that was the theory as to why taste & smell improves during curing (less chlorophyll).

Now for potency:

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If you don’t leave any moisture in the buds there will be no true cure, one that increases potency through a rotation of the THC molecule by slowly removing the water. "

Rotation of THC molecule? I don't get it.
So I believe your question, why/how curing improves POTENCY is a good one, I find it hard to believe myself - so I would like to know too.

(That said, you seem to claim that quick-drying buds with heat, somehow gives you a superior product. If so, nobody would slow dry or cure.).
 
i don't know if its superior to what it would be when its properly cured and dried or not, but to me, the high ( and NOT the taste ) is stronger than any shit i've been buying for the last two years!

i know and agree with the effects that curing and the smell and the taste of the buds has. my question is if curing affects the potency and the high, and if so, WHY?

i couldn't find anything on the web explaining why should the buds cure, other than improving the taste
 

hydrosoil78

Active Member
One thing is if you cure any weed in a jar it is better than having it in a bag or exposed to the air.
Some terpenes evaporate at 70 degrees so that is why it is better to store it in a cool place, light degrades potency so a dark jar is better. If it gets jarred or sealed airtight when it is dry it is better for storage. I noticed it seemed to taste better after a month or so sitting in the jar, that would be because of anaerobic bacteria that don't need oxygen to survive-they eat up the plant material or something.
 
sometimes i think some of you guys are robots designed to react to some keywords and post some -supposed to be related- random old stuff! :leaf:
 

Gmz

Well-Known Member
The difference is pretty obvious to me.... I'd much rather smoke properly dried and cured bud over quick dried, it simply tastes like shit, the potency might be there but I care about the taste. I've never mixed bud with tobacco, probably never will but try hitting that quick dried bud in a bong. It is just naaaasty, the taste reminds me of caterpillars and grass :lol:
 
The difference is pretty obvious to me.... I'd much rather smoke properly dried and cured bud over quick dried, it simply tastes like shit, the potency might be there but I care about the taste. I've never mixed bud with tobacco, probably never will but try hitting that quick dried bud in a bong. It is just naaaasty, the taste reminds me of caterpillars and grass :lol:
completely agree with you about the taste, and thats important for me as well, but that's not what i'm talking about here!
 
Certain compounds go from non-psychoactive to psychoactive over time. IMO, you shouldn't be judging your meds until they've been in jars for at least 1 month.
that's just wrong man!

From wikipedia:
"A chemical compound is a pure chemical substance consisting of two or more different chemical elements[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] that can be separated into simpler substances by chemical reactions.[SUP][4][/SUP] Chemical compounds have a unique and defined chemical structure; they consist of a fixed ratio of atoms[SUP][3][/SUP] that are held together in a defined spatial arrangement by chemical bonds."
that means a compound is either psychoactive or not, it cannot be the same compound, but only psychoactive after a period of time!
so what you CAN claim is this: Certain non-psychoactive compounds will change to a psychoactive compound over time, due to a chemical reaction!
if that is what you claim, so please could you elaborate and tell me which non psychoactive compound would change to which psychoactive compound in curing process and due to which chemical reaction or simply, WHY?!

p.s. sorry if i sound offensive, i'm not trying to be! i just want to clear up something that you could read a lot in different forums and threads, but can't find a single explanation about how's and why's!
 

Nizza

Well-Known Member
ok listen to this..
thc pills weren't liked because.... they lacked the other drugs(cannabinoids) , that complete your high
so although you may not be increasing thc%, by curing, you are increasing the other cannabinoids, which gives the strain it's "punch."
in laymans terms..

i don't have a wikipedia article, i just believe thats why you want a cure~ it will let the bud do it's thing and give you the full effect. No need for me to cite this, look it up yourself
 

Dyna Ryda

Well-Known Member
First I have to say light does not effect thc or how potent cannabis is. That is entirely strain depended. I dry mine in my flower room (because of humidity and for security). My shit will send you to the moon. I've had guys with decades of experience tell me how potent my bud is. Some people are actually scared of it. I couldn't imagine it being any stronger if I dried it in the dark.
The only thing I've noticed about curing is taste and smoothness improve, not potency. This is just my experience.
 
here's another useful chart, showing the full biosynthesis of all cannabinoids and the factor involved:

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i don't have a wikipedia article, i just believe thats why you want a cure~ it will let the bud do it's thing and give you the full effect. No need for me to cite this, look it up yourself
believing in things with no source or reference and the bad habit of assuming things without even bothering to even explain are the main reasons why there are so many false info everywhere, my friend :)
 
[h=3]Cannabis-derived cannabinoids[edit][/h]

Cannabis indica plant​

The classical cannabinoids are concentrated in a viscous resin produced in structures known as glandular trichomes. At least 85 different cannabinoids have been isolated from the Cannabis plant[SUP][5][/SUP] To the right, the main classes of cannabinoids fromCannabis are shown. The best studied cannabinoids include tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol(CBN).
[h=4]Types[edit][/h]All classes derive from cannabigerol-type compounds and differ mainly in the way this precursor is cyclized.[SUP][10][/SUP] The classical cannabinoids are derived from their respective 2-carboxylic acids (2-COOH) by decarboxylation (catalyzed by heat, light, oralkaline conditions).[SUP][11][/SUP]

[h=5]Tetrahydrocannabinol[edit][/h]Main article: Tetrahydrocannabinol
Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the primary psychoactive component of the Cannabis plant. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ[SUP]9[/SUP]-THC, THC) and delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ[SUP]8[/SUP]-THC), mimic the action of anandamide, a neurotransmitter produced naturally in the body. These two THC's produce the effects associated with cannabis by binding to the CB[SUB]1[/SUB] cannabinoid receptors in the brain. THC appears to ease moderate pain (analgesic) and to be neuroprotective. Studies show THC reduces neuroinflammation and stimulates neurogenesis.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP] THC has approximately equal affinity for the CB[SUB]1[/SUB] and CB[SUB]2[/SUB] receptors.[SUP][15][/SUP]
[h=5]Cannabidiol[edit][/h]Main article: Cannabidiol
Cannabidiol (CBD) is not psychoactive, and was thought not to affect the psychoactivity of THC.[SUP][16][/SUP] However, recent evidence shows that smokers of cannabis with a higher CBD/THC ratio were less likely to experience schizophrenia-like symptoms.[SUP][17][/SUP]This is supported by psychological tests, in which participants experience less intense psychotic-like effects when intravenous THC was co-administered with CBD (as measured with a PANSS test).[SUP][18][/SUP] Cannabidiol has little affinity for CB[SUB]1[/SUB] and CB[SUB]2[/SUB]receptors but acts as an indirect antagonist of cannabinoid agonists.[SUP][19][/SUP] Recently it was found to be an antagonist at the putative new cannabinoid receptor, GPR55, a GPCR expressed in the caudate nucleus and putamen.[SUP][20][/SUP] Cannabidiol has also been shown to act as a 5-HT[SUB]1A[/SUB] receptor agonist,[SUP][21][/SUP] an action that is involved in its antidepressant,[SUP][22][/SUP][SUP][23][/SUP] anxiolytic,[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][24][/SUP] andneuroprotective[SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][26][/SUP] effects.
It appears to relieve convulsion, inflammation, anxiety, and nausea.[SUP][19][/SUP] CBD has a greater affinity for the CB[SUB]2[/SUB] receptor than for the CB[SUB]1[/SUB] receptor.[SUP][19][/SUP]
CBD shares a precursor with THC and is the main cannabinoid in low-THC Cannabis strains. CBD apparently plays a role in preventing the short-term memory loss associated with THC in mammals.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
Some research suggests that the antipsychotic effects of cannabidiol potentially represent a novel mechanism in the treatment of schizophrenia.[SUP][27][/SUP]
Researchers at California Pacific Medical Center discovered CBD's ability to "turn off" the activity of ID1, the gene responsible for metastasis in breast and other types of cancers, including the particularly aggressive triple negative breast cancer.[SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] The researchers hope to start human trials soon.[SUP][31][/SUP]
[h=5]Cannabinol[edit][/h]Main article: Cannabinol
Cannabinol (CBN) is the primary product of THC degradation, and there is usually little of it in a fresh plant. CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air. It is only mildly psychoactive. Its affinity to the CB[SUB]2[/SUB] receptor is higher than for the CB[SUB]1[/SUB] receptor.[SUP][32][/SUP]
[h=5]Cannabigerol[edit][/h]Main article: Cannabigerol
Cannabigerol (CBG) is non-psychotomimetic but still affects the overall effects of Cannabis. It acts as an α[SUB]2[/SUB]-adrenergic receptor agonist, 5-HT[SUB]1A[/SUB] receptor antagonist, and CB[SUB]1[/SUB] receptor antagonist.[SUP][33][/SUP] It also binds to the CB[SUB]2[/SUB] receptor.[SUP][33][/SUP]
[h=5]Tetrahydrocannabivarin[edit][/h]Main article: Tetrahydrocannabivarin
Tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV) is prevalent in certain central Asian and southern African strains of Cannabis.[SUP][34][/SUP][SUP][35][/SUP] It is an antagonist of THC at CB[SUB]1[/SUB] receptors and attenuates the psychoactive effects of THC.[SUP][36][/SUP]
[h=5]Cannabidivarin[edit][/h]Main article: Cannabidivarin
Although cannabidivarin (CBDV) is usually a minor constituent of the cannabinoid profile, enhanced levels of CBDV have been reported in feral cannabis plants from the northwest Himalayas, and in hashish from Nepal.[SUP][35][/SUP][SUP][37][/SUP]
[h=5]Cannabichromene[edit][/h]Main article: Cannabichromene
Cannabichromene (CBC) is non-psychoactive and does not affect the psychoactivity of THC.[SUP][16][/SUP] More common in tropical cannabis varieties. Effects include anti-inflammatory and analgesic.
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
that's just wrong man!

From wikipedia:
"A chemical compound is a pure chemical substance consisting of two or more different chemical elements[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] that can be separated into simpler substances by chemical reactions.[SUP][4][/SUP] Chemical compounds have a unique and defined chemical structure; they consist of a fixed ratio of atoms[SUP][3][/SUP] that are held together in a defined spatial arrangement by chemical bonds."
that means a compound is either psychoactive or not, it cannot be the same compound, but only psychoactive after a period of time!
so what you CAN claim is this: Certain non-psychoactive compounds will change to a psychoactive compound over time, due to a chemical reaction!
if that is what you claim, so please could you elaborate and tell me which non psychoactive compound would change to which psychoactive compound in curing process and due to which chemical reaction or simply, WHY?!

p.s. sorry if i sound offensive, i'm not trying to be! i just want to clear up something that you could read a lot in different forums and threads, but can't find a single explanation about how's and why's!
I'm being corrected by a guy who dries his joints on a radiator :roll:.
 
hahah, that was good! :D

but seriously, it's the best method when you don't have a microwave and want to try it within 1 hour! :D
this is my POV: you test a bud before harvest to test the potency, not the taste. because even when it tastes like shit, there's nothing much you can do about it to change that, besides let's say flushing, if you decide to that. and that's not a reason either to test the buds taste before harvesting, there is just nothing to test for taste, because there is nothing you can change if you find out it doesn't taste good to make it taste good!
you test your bud to see if you like the high or not, to decide if you want to let it go longer and have a bigger milky or amber ratio to clear ones! and if drying it on a radiator doesn't affect the high and potency in any way, then why not?!
 
i just want to make sure that curing and drying for long times doesn't have anything to do with the potency of the bud, if it does anything, thats degrading the thc content of your buds and therefor reducing its potency. but i couldn't find a single info that supports the idea that the plants metabolism continues after the buds are cut and stored and that leads to noticeable positive effects of the high and the potency, if thats whats you are claiming.
 

Dyna Ryda

Well-Known Member
believing in things with no source or reference and the bad habit of assuming things without even bothering to even explain are the main reasons why there are so many false info everywhere, my friend :)
I agree completely with this. To many people just parrot what some one else said. I do my own experiments and get my own opinions on what does what.
 

BuzzD2Kill

Well-Known Member
Cannabinoid Conversion

Naturally, as the metabolic processes continue during curing, the conversion of cannabergerol to tetrahydrocannabinol will continue and the potency of the pot will increase. This is because cannabergerol (CBG) is the non-psychoactive precursor for tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Of course, the exact change in THC content will necessarily be dependant upon the concentration of CBG in the fresh material at harvest. Of course any remaining precursors necessary to form additional cannabidiol (CBD) and other cannabinoids will also be consumed and converted.

Be aware though if curing is excessively prolonged (most connoisseurs would agree after 6 months no more benefit could be had from curing), the conversion of THC to non-psychoactive cannabinol (CBN) will occur. The exact rate of decomposition can vary widely depending on handling and storage conditions, but can be less than 10% to greater than 40% decomposition per year.

Continued Metabolism

Also as these metabolic process take place, the plant needs energy which leads it to consume the sugars, starches, nitrates, and minerals. Many of these compounds are metabolized and released as water and carbon dioxide, therefore removing what is essentially inert material from the pot increasing the concentration of cannabinoids therefore making it more potent.

Much of these positive metabolic processes can be most effectively begun with thourough flushing and stripping of the plant before harvest. This will help reduce the amount of time necessary for a good cure.

Curing will not only improve potency, but the color and look of most cannabis buds because as the chlorophyll is broken down purple, gold, and white coloration can emerge and the trichomes will appear more pronounced.

Decarboxylation

Some decarboxylization will take place during curing as well. This happens when the carboxyl group (COOH) located at C-2, C-4, or the end of the hydrocarbon chain at C-3 is destroyed leaving a hydrogen attached and liberating CO2.

Decarboxylization is necessary to convert cannabinoids to usable psychoactive forms; the plants (and your body) carboxylize cannabinoids to make them more soluble in water (for metabolic reactions and excretion).

Research indicates that this effect is fairly minimal during the curing process though. Decarboxylization will take place naturally very rapidly at temperatures of over 100C. So smoking and most any cooking will decarboxylize the cannabinoids. As decarboxylization occurs, the loss of CO2 will liberate a small amount of inert material making the pot more potent via concentration of the cannabinoids.
Continued Metabolism

Also as these metabolic process take place, the plant needs energy which leads it to consume the sugars, starches, nitrates, and minerals. Many of these compounds are metabolized and released as water and carbon dioxide, therefore removing what is essentially inert material from the pot increasing the concentration of cannabinoids therefore making it more potent.

Much of these positive metabolic processes can be most effectively begun with thourough flushing and stripping of the plant before harvest. This will help reduce the amount of time necessary for a good cure.

Curing will not only improve potency, but the color and look of most cannabis buds because as the chlorophyll is broken down purple, gold, and white coloration can emerge and the trichomes will appear more pronounced.


Taste & Odor

Terpenoids are the highly volatile compounds that give marijuana much of its' characteristic odors, and therefore tastes.

The most current research also suggests terpenoids lend to the high, sometimes very significantly. Cannabinoids are phenolated terepenes so it's not surprising that many hundreds of different terpenoids are synthesized as well.

As pot ages, some of the terpenoids go through polycyclic aromatization in the process of decomposition. This agglomeration of terpenoids will change the flavor; hence the ability of cured pot to show flavors that didn't seem present in the original fresh material. Much of the very volatile terpenoids will also evaporate and or decompose, especially with prolonged curing or storage. This action will remove some matter from the pot increasing the cannabinoid concentration and therefore potency.

It must be noted that excessively long curing or storage, higher temperatures, or extremely low moisture content will cause such through evaporation of the terpenoids that the cannabis will generally loose almost all of it's natural flavors.



copied and paste, seemed a lil helpful.
 
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