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desert dude

desert dude

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Hard to argue with Fred!

It's true that Frederick Douglass simultaneously championed both civil rights and economic liberty. But the proper term for that combination isn’t Social Darwinism; it's classical liberalism. The central component of Douglass' worldview was the principle of self-ownership, which he understood to include both racial equality and the right to enjoy the fruits of one's labor.



Consider the remarkable 1848 letter Douglass wrote to his old master, the slaveholder Thomas Auld. It rings out repeatedly with the tenets of classical liberalism. "You are a man and so am I," Douglass declared. "In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living." Escaping from slavery wasn't just an act of self-preservation, Douglass maintained; it was an affirmation of his unalienable natural rights. "Your faculties remained yours," he wrote, "and mine became useful to their rightful owner."


Douglass struck a similar note in his powerful 1852 speech "What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?" Evoking John Locke's famous description of private property emerging from man mixing his labor with the natural world, Douglass pointed to slaves "plowing, planting and reaping, using all kinds of mechanical tools, erecting houses" as proof that they too deserved the full range of natural rights. "Would you have me argue that man is entitled to liberty? That he is the rightful owner of his own body?" Douglass asked his mostly white audience. "There is not a man beneath the canopy of heaven, that does not know that slavery is wrong for him."
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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:


Hard to argue with Fred!

It's true that Frederick Douglass simultaneously championed both civil rights and economic liberty. But the proper term for that combination isn’t Social Darwinism; it's classical liberalism. The central component of Douglass' worldview was the principle of self-ownership, which he understood to include both racial equality and the right to enjoy the fruits of one's labor.


Consider the remarkable 1848 letter Douglass wrote to his old master, the slaveholder Thomas Auld. It rings out repeatedly with the tenets of classical liberalism. "You are a man and so am I," Douglass declared. "In leaving you, I took nothing but what belonged to me, and in no way lessened your means for obtaining an honest living." Escaping from slavery wasn't just an act of self-preservation, Douglass maintained; it was an affirmation of his unalienable natural rights. "Your faculties remained yours," he wrote, "and mine became useful to their rightful owner."

Douglass struck a similar note in his powerful 1852 speech "What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?" Evoking John Locke's famous description of private property emerging from man mixing his labor with the natural world, Douglass pointed to slaves "plowing, planting and reaping, using all kinds of mechanical tools, erecting houses" as proof that they too deserved the full range of natural rights. "Would you have me argue that man is entitled to liberty? That he is the rightful owner of his own body?" Douglass asked his mostly white audience. "There is not a man beneath the canopy of heaven, that does not know that slavery is wrong for him."
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and if frederick douglass were alive today you'd tell him that he did not have the ight to sit at the same lunch counter you sit at.

you'd probably call him a thug, too.

you'd cry about him more than you cry about al sharpton.

why did you join a white supremacy group? and do you think quoting frederick douglass will make us forget that you were a member of a white supremacy group?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
Fred is a libertarian. I would buy him dinner at the best restaurant in town, then have a gay cake for dessert.
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this one time i spent 5+ years chasing a white supremacist around a pot forum where he spent his time wishing federal prison on growers and celebrating when they got it.

even when he was put on the 'discouraged user' function for his racist spam, he persisted in thinking that someone, anyone liked him.

he didn't get the hint that he wasn't welcome, no matter what.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
this one time i spent 5+ years chasing a white supremacist around a pot forum where he spent his time wishing federal prison on growers and celebrating when they got it.

even when he was put on the 'discouraged user' function for his racist spam, he persisted in thinking that someone, anyone liked him.

he didn't get the hint that he wasn't welcome, no matter what.
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Good luck with your stalking, ya psychotic freak.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
Good luck with your stalking, ya psychotic freak.
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i'd wish you good luck on your ongoing quest to rat out growers and send them to federal prison so you could delight your fellow klan members with stories of your heroic rattery, but i don't wish you good luck on your rat pursuits, ya fucking rat.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
and if frederick douglass were alive today you'd tell him that he did not have the ight to sit at the same lunch counter you sit at.

you'd probably call him a thug, too.

you'd cry about him more than you cry about al sharpton.

why did you join a white supremacy group? and do you think quoting frederick douglass will make us forget that you were a member of a white supremacy group?
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Frederick Douglass has the right to control himself and his own property. He never had any right to control others or others property, nobody does. I suspicion he knew that.

Please do not mention Frederick Douglass and Al Sharpton in the same breath, they are hugely different individuals, racist.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
Frederick Douglass has the right to control himself and his own property. He never had any right to control others or others property, nobody does. I suspicion he knew that.

Please do not mention Frederick Douglass and Al Sharpton in the same breath, they are hugely different individuals, racist.
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so if you were sitting at a lunch counter, and the owner kicked frederick douglass out because he was black, you'd tell frederick douglass that he just had to respect the racist guy who wouldn't sell him the same thing he just sold you based solely on his skin color?

and you want me to believe that you are not racist?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
so if you were sitting at a lunch counter, and the owner kicked frederick douglass out because he was black, you'd tell frederick douglass that he just had to respect the racist guy who wouldn't sell him the same thing he just sold you based solely on his skin color?

and you want me to believe that you are not racist?
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Frederick Douglass has every right to control himself and his property. NOBODY has any right to enslave Frederick Douglass. Reciprocably, Frederick Douglass has no right to force anybody else to interact with him.

Which part of my post (above) do you take issue with and why genius?

I'd also probably say, "hey Fred, let's get the fuck out of here and go find some place that has decent food and a clean bathroom...it smells like somebody took a shit in there and didn't flush...can you fucking believe that heinous act?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
Frederick Douglass has no right to force anybody else to interact with him.
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so when the racist kicks frederick douglass out of the store because of his skin color, you'd tell him that he has to leave and stop raping and enslaving the guy by asking to buy a sandwich just the same way you did?
 
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