Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
I get ya there I'm sure it's monotonous u just seemed alot happier to be here I guess? Maybe the redundent over and over bs from ppl has just gotten to you I'd imagine seriously though write a book call it "uncle bens answers to all the questions you should've fucking posted somewhere else" I'd buy it your one of the best.
Thanks. I've been asked to write a book since I've been teaching on forums for over 15 years. Got bigger fish to fry and there's plenty of them to go around. God knows we need another cannabis forum and book on growing pot.

Now.....your secret to success is Mel Frank's "MJ Insiders Growers Guide". Put botany and scientific facts backed by university studies and tests, no bullshit.
 

Keighan

Well-Known Member
Thanks. I've been asked to write a book since I've been teaching on forums for over 15 years. Got bigger fish to fry and there's plenty of them to go around. God knows we need another cannabis forum and book on growing pot.

Now.....your secret to success is Mel Frank's "MJ Insiders Growers Guide". Put botany and scientific facts backed by university studies and tests, no bullshit.
That sounds interesting, I love science I'll have to check it out. I'm sure you're busy with your orchards and stuff, still would be cool seems like every grower does something different even if its just little. There is quite a bit floating around though Ill admit that.
 

CTLights

New Member
PLANT MOISTURE STRESS - symptoms and solutions (revised Jan. 12, 2009)

Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems -> “Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!”, or, “My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?” Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell *exactly* what the culprit is, and unfortunately the “solution” the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I’ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant size, vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. Sometimes copper colored necrotic spots show in the leaf also. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (or in the root medium) compared to lower salinity levels found in the plant’s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root’s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips and hairs, which then creates another set of problems such as nutrient deficiencies. A note for the bio folks - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem. Leach (flush) your pots once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it’s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling (up or down) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll in and the grass will take on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling by supplying sufficient moisture for good plant health. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant located near HID lamps. The damaged leaf (usually) does not recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it’s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receive less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage.

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. <gasp!> Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to soak the pot from the bottom up until moisture levels reach an even consistency throughout the medium especially with mixes that are heavy in peat. If severe, a little surfactant (liquid Ivory dish soap) added to the drench will help return the organics back to a normal moisture retentive state. If the pot feels light to the lift - it&#8217;s time to water. Don&#8217;t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water.

Happy gardening,
Uncle Ben

Hey Uncle Ben! Thanks so much for the wisdom and guidance, it's genuinely appreciated.

I'm a first time grower with an overwatering issue (probably caused by over-eagerness). All leaves are drooping and bottom ones yellowing. No serious nutrients, just planted in Fox Farm Ocean Forest and I've used a little Seaweed Extract about half the times that I've watered. Plants are three weeks old.

Other than keeping temp on the higher side (82*F) and humidity low (30-35%) is there anything I can do to help nurse my babies back? Have heard of pencil holes around the stem or adding a hydrogen peroxide solution to help deliver oxygen to the roots. Maybe a nutrient regime? Bad ideas?

Theoretically, if I do nothing other than be patient, shouldn't the plants come back to full health before being 'under-watered'?

Thanks in advance,
CT
 

pink isn't well

Active Member
PLANT MOISTURE STRESS - symptoms and solutions (revised Jan. 12, 2009)

Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems -> &#8220;Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!&#8221;, or, &#8220;My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?&#8221; Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell *exactly* what the culprit is, and unfortunately the &#8220;solution&#8221; the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I&#8217;ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant size, vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. Sometimes copper colored necrotic spots show in the leaf also. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (or in the root medium) compared to lower salinity levels found in the plant&#8217;s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root&#8217;s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips and hairs, which then creates another set of problems such as nutrient deficiencies. A note for the bio folks - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem. Leach (flush) your pots once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it&#8217;s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling (up or down) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll in and the grass will take on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling by supplying sufficient moisture for good plant health. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant located near HID lamps. The damaged leaf (usually) does not recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it&#8217;s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receive less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage.

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. <gasp!> Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to soak the pot from the bottom up until moisture levels reach an even consistency throughout the medium especially with mixes that are heavy in peat. If severe, a little surfactant (liquid Ivory dish soap) added to the drench will help return the organics back to a normal moisture retentive state. If the pot feels light to the lift - it&#8217;s time to water. Don&#8217;t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water.

Happy gardening,
Uncle Ben

awesome post. simple, quick and in plain speak. Cheers j..
 

blueaqua

Member
Need some help, 18day old seedlings had to tranplant one beacuse roots were coming out of bottom left the other one be to see the outcome of #1. Looked like it needed more space, both started to get a tad lime green and yellowish like 4 days ago. Idon`t think im over watering. Maybe a nutrient defficiency?i added a super small amount of organic sea weed extrac diluted and ajusted the ph (it was really acid) for the transplant. Coul it be nitrogen defficiency they are to small to feed arent they?

30 % organic compost

30%pest moss

20% perlite

20% organic worm humus

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Trabplanted from 1 gal to 3 gal same color as it was before th transplat




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The right 18 days and the left one is about 10 same phenotype , the yolder onnes were exactly the same as the younger one. The one on the right getting some purp stems N deff? Or natural

Alpine og(moxie seeds fem)


They are about 15 inches from 180 watt led thet were about 11 inches but brought it up as you can see in the younger seedling it looks great same thing was going one with both .


Temos 70 -80

Humidity 45 -55


Please help so bummed ::(
@Uncle Ben
 

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Braka

Member
Ok so I started some seedlings and I waterd them on the six day because it seemed like the container it was in was still moist but I started to get curled leaves already they are curling from the sides in I checked the heat it seems to b fine I heard it's a low humidity problem but what do u guys think?and how can I fix it thank you!
 

blueaqua

Member
How are the ligts, temps and RH?

How often do you water, what kind of water ,the plant doesnt look ver helthy . Whhat seed were they?
 

Braka

Member
How are the ligts, temps and RH?

How often do you water, what kind of water ,the plant doesnt look ver helthy . Whhat seed were they?
I'm using a mh light 1000 but it's pretty far from the plants the temp is77 filterd water ph at 5.8 the rh is 25-30% it's a Sfv og seed
 

blueaqua

Member
Did you buy them from a seed bank? Are they fem?

How far away?

I always use tap water beacause water is really dirty were I live

Everythin sounds okay exept maybe take youre humidity a bit up to 40 -50 thay might even like it more humid but iver 55% you promote fungus.



Tell me if it helps
 

Braka

Member
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Did you buy them from a seed bank? Are they fem?

How far away?

I always use tap water beacause water is really dirty were I live

Everythin sounds okay exept maybe take youre humidity a bit up to 40 -50 thay might even like it more humid but iver 55% you promote fungus.



Tell me if it helps
k will do sir
 

blueaqua

Member
I was having some issues (as you can see my pics above) but i trabsplanted for more drainege and gave it some natural seaweed extract(smalldoes) and 24 hrs later they were so healthy. Im at 3 weeks and a half after germination they are soy healthy. FIRST TIME GROWER but had lot of reasearch.20160130_131113.jpg
 

The Nine

Active Member
Understanding? Me and other "gurus" have given up teaching in cannabis forums or rather repeating ourselves with every new crop of newbies.

For example, just above you a member comes in here asking for help regarding a "yellowing" problem, posting to the wrong forum (should be Plant Problems) and posts one yellow photo shot under HPS lighting, giving absolutely no info on her day to day cultural activities.

Learn plant culture and botany folks. You'll figure it out.
Hi UB, I've been reading all your threads in here since riddleme pointed them out to me. I Have learned so much from your direct no bs approach.
A friend of mine is now growing green right until the end as I have been bending his ear with your plant knowledge which makes absolute sense.
He is 5 weeks into flowering amnesia with more leaves than he has ever had at this stage. His buds are developing very well and he has topped for 4 main colas which have all turned out well.
His only gripe is the resin production is very sparse for this stage and there is still no aroma?

I realise this is probably a stupid question, but are you aware of high nitrogen hindering resin production during flowering in anyway?

Btw, my mate I am speaking of is the best grower I know personally, he hits the best weights for his grow volume and his bud is always top quality which sells very fast for the last 5 years.

Are you familiar with Harley Smith and his work?
If so, what do you think of his advice?


Sorry for all the questions, and I think I can speak for 99.99% of posters/lurkers here that we do value your kindness and patience here whilst selflessly giving your tips, advice and botanic knowledge to even the most undeserving of aggressive ignorant posters.
Live long and prosper matey :)
 
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