Patient goes "manic" with mmj

cannadan

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the ssri's they are prescribing.....are super dangerous drugs....
not to be played with.....seriously...
at least narcotic medications do something remotely useful....
I literally went to the doctor after three years of being pain killer free...and said that I was feeling
"down" or depressed .... due to the fact I was in constant and untreated pain....(by choice) but it wears on you both emotionally and physically and I had reached a point that I could no longer continue on without the help of some narcotics....anyhow I gave in....and took the depression meds and a prescription for percocet...
needless to say...I was 4 days in and my brain was going haywire.....
I hated everything and everyone...myself included....
 

OGEvilgenius

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Both Smith and the college's complaints committee suggest an undiagnosed condition of bipolar disorder may have been an aggravating factor in Saunders's case. Other drugs that Saunders was prescribed for anxiety may also have played a part.
This is the only relevant part of the article from what I read.

The rest was political nonsense lacking in scientific basis. SSRI's can and do cause psychotic breaks where the person in question kills others or themselves. The breaks themselves happen in a disturbingly high % of patients. Where the patients end up harming themselves and others in a % of that % so it doesn't seem as bad.

Much more likely these drugs were the cause if drugs were the cause.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Sounds like the guy had a mental illness that went unchecked and eventually overwhelmed him. It's really a sad story to tell the truth, but I have a hard time even considering that marijuana was even a significant contributing factor.

10 grams a day does sound extreme. I don't even use 10 grams a week. 3 joints first thing in the morning? I usually take maybe 5 or 6 puffs around lunch time or so, just on the weekends. After I've had my coffee, breakfast and have gotten good and woke up. If I do work around the house, it might be 4 or 5 in the evening before I light up. After I get the work done. I think 10 grams a day is for a patient who has a seriously debilitating condition and is not trying to function normally. That's just too much pot. Smoking like that will eventually burn a person out.

But, I do have a friend who smokes like that. She is such a total burnout though. She can't enjoy marijuana like I can because if she's got it, she smokes it constantly like cigarettes. For rec and light medical(I use MJ to help me sleep at night), moderation is key. Actually, in everything you do moderation is key. If you like to eat and eat all the time you will get to 500 pounds and have health issues. I had a friend die last year in his early 40's. He drank every waking hour of every day. And he had been hospitalized prior to that for serious issues, heart, circulation(his face was always dark red and blue colored) and the doctors warned him. He didn't even slow down. Now he is gone.

Anyway, I feel bad for that guy and his family, but, I honestly don't think MJ was significant in his demise. He has other major mental issues that went unchecked. I'm not a doctor or a scientists though.
Some people can't function unless they are consuming.

Many patients consume much more than this and they should be. Not one size fits all.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Thankfully... people are more aware of that shit now. Feel very sorry for the ones who get put on it!

I have seen what ingesting oil can do to a person coming off of SSRI's.
It can increase the symptoms they are trying to get rid of.
Bi polar can't be much better!!
I found smoking alleviated the symptoms I experienced while tapering off a fairly high dose SSRI.
 

OGEvilgenius

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ya you said it gb....I was on those meds for a short time...like 4 days...
before I was close to killing something....it was like a mind explosion.....
doctor said...guess they don't work for everyone....ya thanks Doc....
Sure straightened me out quick....
It's good you recognized this. People on these drugs can and do kill others who would not otherwise.

My wife had a quad also. But they did not put her on Ativan thank god.
But alas she passed away in 2014 due to kidney failure.
Sorry to hear this, my condolences.
 

gb123

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I lost a few close friends to that shit. They're still hard at binge drinkin and taking ativan 25 plus years after the fact.
One anxiety attack was all it took. Just before they both got married...like the Doc couldnt have just said...RELAX FUCK WAD!!!! Grow some nuts!!! :lol:
Never had an attack again after .. but they still took that shit because they only knew they weren't right with out it or with it for that matter ..
 

cannadan

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they make it too simple
with everything else it requires a referral to a specialist....before any decision is made...
for things like depression...the gp feels okay in prescribing meds...right off the first appointment...then they do so.
when a psyc specialist....would know at least what,,,kind of side effects you could expect to some degree
based on the severity or level of the condition...
 

leaffan

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I recall going to see my Dr, was going through a bad time and told him that I constantly have this urge to take a baseball bat to the face of the closest person to me.
He said it was not that uncommon to feel that way, I'm not alone...
5 minutes later I was off to the pharmacist with a Paxil prescription.
I lasted one week on Paxil....
 

WHATFG

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I was fed Valium when I was ten...I didn't like school or authority very much. Then they gave it to me again when I had my back surgeries for back spasms. Now if I have back spasms, they tell me to go for a massage...sometimes I wish I had the Valium.
 

GrowUrOwnDank

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Around here, the pain clinics dole out Morphine like crazy. I talked to my wife's nephew a few weeks ago and the withdrawals were killing him. He sounded crazy, all crying and stuff. I hope he gets off that crap. I expect him to get a new script tho, and be right back on that train. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Folks. I honestly was a voluntary pill head back in my teens and twenties. At some point, I woke up and said to myself this has to end. Right near about 30 years old. Now I don't hate pills and stuff. I saw my Uncle die as a teen from bone cancer. His arms literally would separate from the shoulder joints and hang just before he died. They put morphine in his whiskey. That's cool.

But, for most of us, recreational use of powerful meds like morphine will bring us down. If you gotta have it, that's one thing. But, for rec users, I think many will become hopeless addicts. At least for a while.

Not trying to be a doctor here and it's none of my business, just saying...
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I went the SSRI route for three or four years. Worst time of my life and I'm fortunate to be still here imo. My depression was a result of living with pain, but instead of treating the problem (knee replacement) or the symptoms (pain killers) they decided to get me on anti-depressants. They wouldn't give me anything stronger than T3's because I was a recovering alcoholic? so the pain never went away, they just tried to fuck with my mind so I wouldn't care. In the end I was on 2 SSRI's, an anti-anxiety pill and several others for cholesterol etc. I spent most of my waking hours thinking about suicide. One day I just had enough, flushed about $400 worth of pills and haven't seen a doc or taken a pharmaceutical since. I still fight the depression, but it's manageable now.
 

gb123

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most find it easier to get through difficult situations when they can think straight... ssri wont let your brain get up to a level where it can think straight. They keep you from thinking to much and is why doctors SHOULD but dont always ask questions like..Do you have any suicidal tendencies before I give you this. :lol: because if you do... this medication will not let you get passed these nasty thoughts and you will dwell on them for ever!!!!

Good on ya Chris!!! :D
 

doingdishes

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SSRI's are evil. i have also seen my wife change taking then. she went from fun loving to selfish & not wanting to go anywhere...bed, couch/computer, bathroom, bed was the day.
she got pissed off & stopped taking them & her brain came back. why do we have to fight for something we are all saying works wonders but such pushback from Harper!
if this is a democracy, why aren't our voices being heard?
 

cannadan

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I went the SSRI route for three or four years. Worst time of my life and I'm fortunate to be still here imo. My depression was a result of living with pain, but instead of treating the problem (knee replacement) or the symptoms (pain killers) they decided to get me on anti-depressants. They wouldn't give me anything stronger than T3's because I was a recovering alcoholic? so the pain never went away, they just tried to fuck with my mind so I wouldn't care. In the end I was on 2 SSRI's, an anti-anxiety pill and several others for cholesterol etc. I spent most of my waking hours thinking about suicide. One day I just had enough, flushed about $400 worth of pills and haven't seen a doc or taken a pharmaceutical since. I still fight the depression, but it's manageable now.
I was there too.... since I was not getting adequate pain management...for my back and neck after....I had a heart attack...
they and I too frankly....forgot completely about treating my back while pre-occupied with my heart....
so after about 2 years being completely narcotic pain med free....I could no longer take it....and told the doc I was depressed from living ,,,,with the daily back and neck pain...so they put me on depression meds...first...
anyhow I was lucky to escape those pills....
 

OGEvilgenius

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they make it too simple
with everything else it requires a referral to a specialist....before any decision is made...
for things like depression...the gp feels okay in prescribing meds...right off the first appointment...then they do so.
when a psyc specialist....would know at least what,,,kind of side effects you could expect to some degree
based on the severity or level of the condition...
The problem is these drugs lack efficacy for any of the conditions they supposedly treat (seriously, the only studies showing any were from drug companies and they buried most of what they did because it indicated what independent study has indicated - they are no more effective than placebos) and the side effects are incredibly horrid. Some of the worst side effects around for any drug, in part because of the immense danger you pose to those around you and yourself.

I'd say these drugs probably have no business being prescribed to anyone and that there are many cannabis alternatives (and we all know how diverse this plant is) which can and actually do work without the side effects.

The CBD strains I've smoked literally put an instant smile on my face just as an example.
 
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