Over thinking Organics.

not all chemicals are bad you can use quite natural processes to make raw "organic" things more suitable for what you want them to do but organic weed always seams to taste better I guess it`s because you can`t ever 100% flush it unless your doing hydro so you get all that extra flavor.

Best way to adapt a plant is simple plant all the seeds you can grow it in the exact conditions you want it too grow in and pick out only the ones that give you the best results

Then breed them or clone them and keep going only pick out the very very best each time, no matter the strain get yourself 1000`s of seeds if you can and let evolution do the work for you.

Other wise take your £50 6 pack of seeds and give them exactly what they need to grow.

How much of the matter left from the seed do you think is in the final product ? Your body changes every cell in your body except the lens of your eyes every 7 years how long does it take a little plant to do the same ?

Evolving your own strain is hard work and takes time but if you can`t control your conditions then it`s something you have to do, look at the USA for example and all the time it took to get European grains to grow over there ? How long did it take to get wheat and barley to grow there ?

Banana`s are another one we covered the tropics with the Big Mic and it got wiped out by fungus so the Cavendish replaced it but now fungus is killing that and we need to work out how to genetically modify it.

The world changes all the time animals and trees get wiped out if your against GM and organic then why would you support saving an endangered animal or plant or even sending aid to another country ?

Things die and get wiped out we should learn to just let it happen or stop moaning about GM stuff and non organic stuff some people can`t afford to have organic and non gm stuff hell, every grain bar rye and corn based grains in the usa is GM`d from selective breeding

So is every strain of weed we buy

It`s a more organic GM but it`s still GM`ing like being able to pick what colour your kids eyes would be.

I like to go all organic for the last 4 weeks of flowering and flush for 3 days sometimes I even feed light till the end

I think we over think things we are not that special that just cos we play with something it should be classed as not organic ? We are nature even our technology is part of the life on this plant as much as an ant hill is organic so is a sky scraper.

foreverflyhi said:

First off I agree with what you said on let's not make up things. But don't get it twisted Im going to speak my mind and talk to other people on this subject, with or without data. Your statement seems like you just want me too shut up and not speak my mind. ( u probley work for Monsanto) we can't just stay silent and not speak of topics like this, because if we do then they(whoever runs this shit) win.

Ok so obviously this is the type of topic that needs accurate data for any statement to be true.

With that said, I was always under the assumption that one of the MAIN reasons why Monsanto is creating GMOs is too make the plants resistant to the chemicals they spray them with, or synthetic fertilizers they feed them with? (I will be gathering up data on this too prove my point)

How can't it not be passed on thru seed? ThIs is happening to organic farms all over the world!
Our food grown organically (or not)is still being poisoned one way or another by these bastard corporations.

And maybe my diabeties comment was a bit too far (I knew this when I said it ha) but in my eyes, I do see a connection. I don't need scientific data too see that in our generation diabeties or cancer is greater then ever in history. There is a connection between our food and environment to our health.

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They've modified them for various reasons and have various projects on the go, including plants resistant to excessive levels of aluminum in the ground (this is a weird one), resistance to pesticides etc. There's been nothing done that relates to fertilizers however. There are reasons not to use chemical fertilizers that vary depending on your belief system though, no doubt.

THE KONASSURE said:

not all chemicals are bad you can use quite natural processes to make raw "organic" things more suitable for what you want them to do but organic weed always seams to taste better I guess it`s because you can`t ever 100% flush it unless your doing hydro so you get all that extra flavor.

Best way to adapt a plant is simple plant all the seeds you can grow it in the exact conditions you want it too grow in and pick out only the ones that give you the best results

Then breed them or clone them and keep going only pick out the very very best each time, no matter the strain get yourself 1000`s of seeds if you can and let evolution do the work for you.

Other wise take your £50 6 pack of seeds and give them exactly what they need to grow.

How much of the matter left from the seed do you think is in the final product ? Your body changes every cell in your body except the lens of your eyes every 7 years how long does it take a little plant to do the same ?

Evolving your own strain is hard work and takes time but if you can`t control your conditions then it`s something you have to do, look at the USA for example and all the time it took to get European grains to grow over there ? How long did it take to get wheat and barley to grow there ?

Banana`s are another one we covered the tropics with the Big Mic and it got wiped out by fungus so the Cavendish replaced it but now fungus is killing that and we need to work out how to genetically modify it.

The world changes all the time animals and trees get wiped out if your against GM and organic then why would you support saving an endangered animal or plant or even sending aid to another country ?

Things die and get wiped out we should learn to just let it happen or stop moaning about GM stuff and non organic stuff some people can`t afford to have organic and non gm stuff hell, every grain bar rye and corn based grains in the usa is GM`d from selective breeding

So is every strain of weed we buy

It`s a more organic GM but it`s still GM`ing like being able to pick what colour your kids eyes would be.

I like to go all organic for the last 4 weeks of flowering and flush for 3 days sometimes I even feed light till the end

I think we over think things we are not that special that just cos we play with something it should be classed as not organic ? We are nature even our technology is part of the life on this plant as much as an ant hill is organic so is a sky scraper.

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Because GMOs, in the really limited safety research already done, have been shown potentially dangerous, are almost entirely untested and offer patents on life to major corporations. Don't think that GMO crap is going to be cheap forever. And a large reason organic stuff is so expensive is because of rules and regulations. The whole process of just being labeled organic isn't cheap.

I use chemical fertilizers and organic. To me, it's not any different (as long as the company you're supporting has been ethical), but GMO's are a whole different animal.

foreverflyhi said:

First off I agree with what you said on let's not make up things. But don't get it twisted Im going to speak my mind and talk to other people on this subject, with or without data. Your statement seems like you just want me too shut up and not speak my mind. ( u probley work for Monsanto) we can't just stay silent and not speak of topics like this, because if we do then they(whoever runs this shit) win.

Ok so obviously this is the type of topic that needs accurate data for any statement to be true.

With that said, I was always under the assumption that one of the MAIN reasons why Monsanto is creating GMOs is too make the plants resistant to the chemicals they spray them with, or synthetic fertilizers they feed them with? (I will be gathering up data on this too prove my point)

How can't it not be passed on thru seed? ThIs is happening to organic farms all over the world!
Our food grown organically (or not)is still being poisoned one way or another by these bastard corporations.

And maybe my diabeties comment was a bit too far (I knew this when I said it ha) but in my eyes, I do see a connection. I don't need scientific data too see that in our generation diabeties or cancer is greater then ever in history. There is a connection between our food and environment to our health.

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Now you are just completely full of shit. Would a Monsanto employee say they would not knowingly consume GMOs? No they would not. I agree that there's a connection between our food, environment, and our health. But spouting unsubstantiated BS regarding genetics doesn't help anyone and just makes a serious effort to stand up to Monsanto and government subsidization of the corporate farms overproducing corn that we don't need. In fact, it makes it easier for the politicians to ignore us when you pull this kind of crap out of your butt.

HTP said:

Sorry but if the revolution comes down too that, I am moving far away - taking over some federal land. I shall not be sharing my food with the whole community.
Call me greedy, but a small group of people will take care of you. A community will steal from you.

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The academic book I am reading makes the claim that 'community' is one description of a grouping of people that doesn't have negative connotations, that it is always used positively. I agreed with the point. You have just proved them and me wrong.

May I ask - which country are you from? (I have made a guess in my mind)

somebody1701 said:

Now you are just completely full of shit. Would a Monsanto employee say they would not knowingly consume GMOs? No they would not. I agree that there's a connection between our food, environment, and our health. But spouting unsubstantiated BS regarding genetics doesn't help anyone and just makes a serious effort to stand up to Monsanto and government subsidization of the corporate farms overproducing corn that we don't need. In fact, it makes it easier for the politicians to ignore us when you pull this kind of crap out of your butt.

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Im going to like your comment, but only because I'm a nice person on rollitup.
In real life, if we are having this conversation, I promise u, u wouldn't start off your argument by saying "you are completely full of shit"
trust me you would be on the floor before you even finish that sentence.

Lol " In fact, it makes it easier for the politicians to ignore us when you pull this kind of crap out of your butt."
Politicians ignore us reguardless.

I stand by what I said because it keeps everyone's mind open to the possibilities.
All these issues are happening so quick that we don't start to connect the dots decades later. It's obvious our health is being poisoned by chemical grown gmo food as well as the destruction of our environment, it's ALL connected.

I am from America. I have been to damn near every state. I have ran with great people, I have ran with bad people. I have seen the dark side of America that I wish to never see. I black market - and the people who fuel it are some of the people our community trust and respects. I am in no way saying every person is bad. However when it comes down to being able to steal, some people will work very hard to do so. The "people" after a while you should trust are people who you have worked with and known for many many years. We are talking about America crashing. Every man will be for them self. People will brake off into factions to protect their land. You should round up the people you have been with for many years and make your own community. When you get many people, from different backgrounds and education levels things tend to get messy. To many people with to many ways of doing things, shall end it a melting pot of back stabbing. The mind set of the world will be one man for them self's.

HTP said:

I am from America. I have been to damn near every state. I have ran with great people, I have ran with bad people. I have seen the dark side of America that I wish to never see. I black market - and the people who fuel it are some of the people our community trust and respects. I am in no way saying every person is bad. However when it comes down to being able to steal, some people will work very hard to do so. The "people" after a while you should trust are people who you have worked with and known for many many years. We are talking about America crashing. Every man will be for them self. People will brake off into factions to protect their land. You should round up the people you have been with for many years and make your own community. When you get many people, from different backgrounds and education levels things tend to get messy. To many people with to many ways of doing things, shall end it a melting pot of back stabbing. The mind set of the world will be one man for them self's.

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I some what agree. But when shit does actually crash, it's going to crash because the people will rise up together. Sure there are bad gmo chemical grown apples like somebody1701, but no worries they will never be able to survive on their own. It takes communities and special skills that will ultimately help shape a new world.

HTP said:

I am from America. I have been to damn near every state. I have ran with great people, I have ran with bad people. I have seen the dark side of America that I wish to never see. I black market - and the people who fuel it are some of the people our community trust and respects. I am in no way saying every person is bad. However when it comes down to being able to steal, some people will work very hard to do so. The "people" after a while you should trust are people who you have worked with and known for many many years. We are talking about America crashing. Every man will be for them self. People will brake off into factions to protect their land. You should round up the people you have been with for many years and make your own community. When you get many people, from different backgrounds and education levels things tend to get messy. To many people with to many ways of doing things, shall end it a melting pot of back stabbing. The mind set of the world will be one man for them self's.

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Ta for the explanation. I am a very analytical person, your openness presents some fascinating insights.

Do you think your observations are only accurate in the United States? Or do they generalise to the entire World?

foreverflyhi said:

I some what agree. But when shit does actually crash, it's going to crash because the people will rise up together. Sure there are bad gmo chemical grown apples like somebody1701, but no worries they will never be able to survive on their own. It takes communities and special skills that will ultimately help shape a new world.

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The positivity of your view is inspiring. I like to believe too. The mainstream of the World however are dedicated to perpetuating individualistic entitlement, creating disunity and strife, things which benefit those who hold the money and therefore power. Divide and rule, that's what they do. The ONLY thing that can fight this unacceptable state of affairs is social unity. There are many new theoretical developments in the social sciences that in combination with the increase in public direct action groups - like the occupy movements - really have the potential to start something major. Action research can solve problems, create wisdom (not knowledge), and enact change; the social nature of the process also creating unity, and demonstrating to those involved the efficacy of community action.

I like to use organic products because I know where they come from and what`s more then likely in them

It does not mean that an organic product could still not be unsafe if used to grow a plant

but I`m an animal I eat things that live the wild so I`m willing to take a risk what I hate is the shit people like when a product is unsafe and they still make and sell it stuff like that

Also I`ll add that since chernobyl the world is undoubtedly damaged, do they tell you in school that most people born up to 10 years on from the disaster still have thyroid problems ?

Do they tell you that most of the live stock raise in europe is still radiation tested ? that they have to feed grass fed animals in some areas a "flush" diet to get the radiation down before killing them ?

Do they tell you that wild bore hunting is not permitted in a lot of europe because they eat radioactive fungus that grows in the woods ? hell it`s why a lot of mushroom picking is against the law now not because of the trippy mushrooms

No they don`t do they ? there`s plenty of things that could be organic that are far worse for you then some chemicals

Just as there are man made meds that are better then weed for somethings weed is also better then man made meds for other things

but if we want to grow a plant who is anyone to stop us an animal from growing a plant ? its no different to a bird pooping out a seed !

On top of that why should anyone be able to tell us how to grow such a plant ?

All I ask for is a list of everything that is in what I am buying and if need be a saftey mark from some regulator that can confirm the label is correct

As I`m anal about things I very much insist on knowing the N-P-K of what I am buying too but I am willing to pay more for what could be the same product to have that information and peace of mind

I mean I could just collect moss from my gutters and find all kinds of nurient rich things all over the place but I don`t as I like to have a list of exactly what I`m putting into the plant I intened to put into me

The same go`s for anything I grow anything at all the I intned to put in me I simply wish to know what it is so that I can learn what that will do to me and make my own educated desision as to if I want to put that in me or not

I`m a free man and no one on this planet has the right to tell me what I can do with my body or my life as long as I am no harming others or causing lasting damage to this planet.

Anything I do while on this planet is just a part of it and a part of life and evolution

Yes we could kill this planet but why would we want to ?

Too much of anything could kill this planet if you ask me out only problem is we have too many people and we keep having more ?

The name organic is a flaw that`s all a better title would be "not substantially altered" or something.

I really do not think it is the whole world. It might be a fair amount of it, however it is not the whole world. I have friends who live in Kuwait and its nothing like it is over here. They all help each other, same goes for people in Saudi Arabia. But people in Yemen are nuts. Half of them hate America so much, it tears the rest of the country apart. When I was in Hong Kong, its a matter of the have, and have nots. I can not say about main land china I did not have the government passport to go though the tunnel. One of the main issues with America is that, so much money is spent trying to hear each others voice, it becomes a huge waste. America is a republic, not a democracy. The founding fathers also worried as population grew so would government waste because its a voice of the people.
I think I have derailed this tread to death.

foreverflyhi said:

Im going to like your comment, but only because I'm a nice person on rollitup.
In real life, if we are having this conversation, I promise u, u wouldn't start off your argument by saying "you are completely full of shit"
trust me you would be on the floor before you even finish that sentence.

Lol " In fact, it makes it easier for the politicians to ignore us when you pull this kind of crap out of your butt."
Politicians ignore us reguardless.

I stand by what I said because it keeps everyone's mind open to the possibilities.
All these issues are happening so quick that we don't start to connect the dots decades later. It's obvious our health is being poisoned by chemical grown gmo food as well as the destruction of our environment, it's ALL connected.

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In person, you wouldn't spout crap about me being a Monsanto employee either. The fact is, we are on riu, not talking in person.

Two books for every one on this thread: Wheat Belly and Omnivore's Dilemma. The diabetes epidemic is a result of the "healthy whole grains" movement which has been co-opted by industrial agriculture as a way to trick us into eating their cheaply grown grains instead of the meat, nuts, and vegetables we're meant to eat as hunter gatherers.