Organic Grow, Outdoor, New Zealand.

Ok I've grown indoors before but want to try outdoors this season. It's getting to the end of August now, I'm waiting for seeds to pop to bring them up indoors for a while before planting straight into the ground, in a spot outside in a small greenhouse for stealth. I havn't prepared the soil so would like some tips on how to amend the soil in a short amount of time. What is cheap that I can add from either hammer hardware, bunnings, warehouse etc. I am planning on mainlining them to 8 main colas and doing most of the trimming indoors next to the window for sunlight. (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&r...zm7pHfQh_f6buUaoA&sig2=XRvyCYaUqjWvd7jWH_B0iw ) Are the light hours now going to be long enough to get descent veg growth or should I start them off with a light on 18 hrs? Is there any problems growing in a greenhouse? Heat, Size etc..? I'm hoping if I mainline them as shown in the link they won't grow to big for the greenhouse which will be 2M high. I'm planning on going organic so what would be best for soil amendments and what would be good for teas? I've got a new worm farm on the go which will provide some nutrients and I've heard comfrey and seaweed are good. I would like as much knowledge as possible from people just so that I can try to get the best success so any input and advice would be great, thanks!!

I'd be careful posting about growing in a country where it is illegal

That said, how far north are you? Don't think most people plant out until the risk of frost is over. Harvest time tends to be around March-April. So 6 months in the ground is a long time. If it is your first attempt, just did a 30 x 30 x 30 cm deep hole, fill it with some cheap soil from the hardware store, and see how you go. Maybe use a bit of Seasol here and there.

Take notes, i.e. Rate of growth, when sex shows, what deficiencies shows up etc, so you can improve on next year.

Depending on where you are, you may find that letting the plants growth to 30 cm tall, then tying flat to the ground and repeating as often as needed, will keep them nice and low. Keep in mind your plant will smell. Heat inside of a G/H will also create extra stink, and even in coastal otago I found heat was hard to get down mid summer with all the doors and vents over.

Remember, do not grow anywhere neighbors, landlords, friends, flatmates, or utility providers may see. You never know who may pop their head over your fence.

greengoblin2014 said:

Ok I've grown indoors before but want to try outdoors this season. It's getting to the end of August now, I'm waiting for seeds to pop to bring them up indoors for a while before planting straight into the ground, in a spot outside in a small greenhouse for stealth. I havn't prepared the soil so would like some tips on how to amend the soil in a short amount of time. What is cheap that I can add from either hammer hardware, bunnings, warehouse etc. I am planning on mainlining them to 8 main colas and doing most of the trimming indoors next to the window for sunlight. (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&r...zm7pHfQh_f6buUaoA&sig2=XRvyCYaUqjWvd7jWH_B0iw ) Are the light hours now going to be long enough to get descent veg growth or should I start them off with a light on 18 hrs? Is there any problems growing in a greenhouse? Heat, Size etc..? I'm hoping if I mainline them as shown in the link they won't grow to big for the greenhouse which will be 2M high. I'm planning on going organic so what would be best for soil amendments and what would be good for teas? I've got a new worm farm on the go which will provide some nutrients and I've heard comfrey and seaweed are good. I would like as much knowledge as possible from people just so that I can try to get the best success so any input and advice would be great, thanks!!

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NewZealand Organics.. Love dat..
If you want to hear about experience from a Don,
..You can challenge the conventional organic ways quite a bit..
For example.. A lighting regime of 14/10 will sex plants but keep them in veg (auto flowering strains may start flowering a bit)

Also, you can add pretty much all amendments as you go (and grow) as long as you use the right stuff and in the right amounts and stay away from the more is better mentality..

Of course a little layering can help buy babies a bit of buffering time before their roots tap into that amended super soil too.

Ex:
-I just mixed a bed up and planted seedlings in it. The saltier hotter manures are lower and a weaker coir based soil zone has buffered them so there was no 3 week delay.. New growth is a bright healthy green!

Maining:
Mainlining for 8 should really widen those puppies and since it'll require 3 toppings it will slow our babes down for a bit 3 separate times too.. Good for height restricting, 2M should be ok since ur light source isn't hanging inside correct?

As for teas, microbe man (massive commercial farm with documented, 2500gallon teas using hi powered microscopes..) reps 0.5% BSM and 2.38% DIY EWC as the best and most effective teas. Keep it simple and your end product will burn cleaner, cooler, and smoother!

That said, I wouldn't be afraid to go 100 days in a row with just water either, if your plants (roots) are happy. Watch for deficiencies and act accordingly, jus asking cats here or reading as you need will do..

Finally, You could have a single plant somewhere accessible/ close as a model.. Then use it as a gauge for your ladies out in the gorilla house. Unless its a quick painless walk..

That said, best of luck hombre !
Drop in anytime in the Dons Den for pics or QnA

Hey thanks for the comments I'm not too bothered about the toppings slowing down the babies as they are going to have a long time to recover and yeah I want to keep them low and there won't be any lights in the greenhouse. Will I still have to water them often if they are planted into the ground? It's going to be a long walk to get to them. Do you guys know when they will show signs of sex? I've started them indoors and hope to do most of the topping inside in pots. There are 30 in total and I'm aiming for 10 in the greenhouse. I was thinking of maybe planting 3 in the same spot 10 times so then 1 of the 3 is likely to be female and I can pull out the other 2 if that makes sense to you.

greengoblin2014 said:

Hey thanks for the comments I'm not too bothered about the toppings slowing down the babies as they are going to have a long time to recover and yeah I want to keep them low and there won't be any lights in the greenhouse. Will I still have to water them often if they are planted into the ground? It's going to be a long walk to get to them. Do you guys know when they will show signs of sex? I've started them indoors and hope to do most of the topping inside in pots. There are 30 in total and I'm aiming for 10 in the greenhouse. I was thinking of maybe planting 3 in the same spot 10 times so then 1 of the 3 is likely to be female and I can pull out the other 2 if that makes sense to you.

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For sure man
And yeah Makes sense

As per your q's..

*Sex time:
-Takes about 5-10 days once under 14/10 but if mature and staggering their petioles (ready to flower) they can sex in a day if a vigorous girl..

- Plants really seem to enjoy a nice 50+ day veg then will sex naturally before they even flower (pre flower) but the ruderalis or autos as they call em nowadays can sex even sooner despite any lighting regime

*water time:
-if you have a cover crop, and or something to lay on top of the soil to slow evaporation a bit, and do your drenches nice and slowly and thoroughly, and they are embedded into a no till situation, right in the ground, (raised would buy you even more time) and you inoculate with myco, thus increasing root surface area up to 700-1000x, and mist with aloe for heat protection (and ensure your Si in bed) then I think you should get nice extended delays between waterings.. Of course when its hot its hot and you wanna make sure the root zones stay cool but not cold.. Like 22* ideal for roots and 25.5*C on average for canopy so the more you sway from there the more you gotta ensure they still be praying ..

Hope that helps a bit,
dT

Yeah thanks dude it helps a lot!! I'm not a very experienced grower, I know a lot but there is still heaps more to learn. I have used myco befor and heard so much great things about it I will have to buy some and use it. I still havn't prepared the beds I need to dig up the area level it out a bit and fill with some good organic soil and maybe some ammendments one being myco, so if I raise it that will help and if I spread a mulch over the top that will keep moisture in?.. I don't have much gardeing experience I have just done a few indoor grows in air pots with home made super soil, myco etc. Obviously it was easy to stay on top of watering and maintanence. Some guys here have told me if I have a hearty outdoor strain which I believe I have then it doesn't take much work just plant it and let it grow but I also want to do the best I can. what is Si? Silicon? So aloe helps with the heat problem, thanks for that also. It seems I still have a lot to learn and to take into consideration.

Keep hammering away homie, when you look back you're gonna be a proud herbalist among herbalists and that's what's good..

As for Si, yea u gotter

As for aloe, its huge..just need one foliar (same with coconut ) for a big change right at the start of flower but yeah, its a killer cooler for sure.

D.E. rocks are a good Si additive too, they benefits just don't end

But yea the myco - u may already know- lasts for up to two weeks in soil
(I'd mellow your soli first or add directly to roots when planting for best results.)
The myco's mycelium network will grow with the live roots as they reach corners..

Hey mate im gonna watch this thread! Im also a kiwi grower going to be running organics again this year

Letstrip said:

Hey mate im gonna watch this thread! Im also a kiwi grower going to be running organics again this year

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Change of plan.. I'm moving to Coromandel and leaving my babies behind with a friend, he'll be growing for his 1st time. I'll be taking my seeds with me so hopefully I can find a good spot up there to do another grow. I havn't been there before but have heard there is lots of bush and that it's a good place. It's good to be able to speak with another kiwi grower, I'm from UK so never had the opportunity to grow outdoors. I've been trying to find a place to buy mycorrizae online but can't seem to find it anywhere here in NZ do you know of any sources? What soil/compost do you use? Do you make your own compost? Or just amend soil? I would like to get as much info from you as possible. As much as you have to offer, like do you grow in pots or in the ground?, do you grow in the bush or on your land?, Do you make compost teas or other types of organic nutes?, if you grow in the bush do you need to space them out so less likely to be seen by helicopters?, do you have any tips on irrigation so that I don't have to do lots of treks thru the bush with a water tank on my back? Thanks in advance.
I'm pretty excited to grow a bit more it's such a great hobby, it's such a shame to leave these ones behind but I have a lot planned so have to leave Golden Bay.

lazaah said:

I'd be careful posting about growing in a country where it is illegal

That said, how far north are you? Don't think most people plant out until the risk of frost is over. Harvest time tends to be around March-April. So 6 months in the ground is a long time. If it is your first attempt, just did a 30 x 30 x 30 cm deep hole, fill it with some cheap soil from the hardware store, and see how you go. Maybe use a bit of Seasol here and there.

Take notes, i.e. Rate of growth, when sex shows, what deficiencies shows up etc, so you can improve on next year.

Depending on where you are, you may find that letting the plants growth to 30 cm tall, then tying flat to the ground and repeating as often as needed, will keep them nice and low. Keep in mind your plant will smell. Heat inside of a G/H will also create extra stink, and even in coastal otago I found heat was hard to get down mid summer with all the doors and vents over.

Remember, do not grow anywhere neighbors, landlords, friends, flatmates, or utility providers may see. You never know who may pop their head over your fence.

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Yeah but the good thing is New Zealand is not fucking crazy tyrannical meddling pieces of shit Vexing every Domicile within its jurisdiction!

New Zealand you can Actually produce your Own products and not be persecuted--I'm Sure there are have been exceptions--But overall nowhere like the uSA!

You can make your own Moonshine make and Sell Raw Milk. Cook Whole animals like Lamb over Open fire Next to the very table you are about to eat!!!!

But NOPE not now in this GOD Blessed Nation now for the past 100+ years we have been Ruled by Tyrranical Covetous meddlers and Now Everything I want to do is Illegal!

Joel Salatin wrote an Article and Book entitled "Everything I Want To Do Is Illegal" and he's Not talking about Bud or Shine. Just merely making your own House that is "not up to code" I mean there is SO MUCH SHIT! EVERYTHING IS ILLEGAL!

So basically I Am saying GOD Bless your endeavors in New Zealand sir Keep Standing up for TRUTH and Liberty!!

Letstrip said:

Hey mate im gonna watch this thread! Im also a kiwi grower going to be running organics again this year

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Nice see!!! I love it! KIWI GROWERS UNITE! Haha I'm from NC

greengoblin2014 said:

Change of plan.. I'm moving to Coromandel and leaving my babies behind with a friend, he'll be growing for his 1st time. I'll be taking my seeds with me so hopefully I can find a good spot up there to do another grow. I havn't been there before but have heard there is lots of bush and that it's a good place. It's good to be able to speak with another kiwi grower, I'm from UK so never had the opportunity to grow outdoors. I've been trying to find a place to buy mycorrizae online but can't seem to find it anywhere here in NZ do you know of any sources? What soil/compost do you use? Do you make your own compost? Or just amend soil? I would like to get as much info from you as possible. As much as you have to offer, like do you grow in pots or in the ground?, do you grow in the bush or on your land?, Do you make compost teas or other types of organic nutes?, if you grow in the bush do you need to space them out so less likely to be seen by helicopters?, do you have any tips on irrigation so that I don't have to do lots of treks thru the bush with a water tank on my back? Thanks in advance.
I'm pretty excited to grow a bit more it's such a great hobby, it's such a shame to leave these ones behind but I have a lot planned so have to leave Golden Bay.

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Hmm I always wondered about using mycorrizaebut never got around to it. Cant find any sources online? Try a local garden shop maybe? Soil wise I used what soil I had near the spot which is decent river soil/silt but I also brought my own soil from home which is quite decent and brought some compost from home I also topped up the holes with soil that I dug from the hole which was crap soil but a little wont hurt. You can put them in pots if you like which gives you the stealth of moving them around the bush if you have to but otherwise your best putting them in the ground. I make compost teas or concentrates from sunleaves bat guano and molasses an mix it with my water source which is a nearby river. If you wanna be less seen by choppers choose a place no one else grows and dot plants around singley not in bunches id stick to 1 - 8 plants dotted around. Irrigation wise choose wisely. Look for a spotted hollowed out were water will hold through summer or a place with a good water source but be careful because the choppers will look around those places. In my opinion why not put it right under there noses to the point were they say "meh no one would grow weed their" or wouldnt search.. even think of places choppers would have a hard time flying in.. no fly zones even? Woah gloden bay would produce nice weed I know someone down their at the moment with shit poppin. Best of luck mate keep us updated