Organic 400w CoolTube SCROG

weariedjuggler · Feb 4, 2015

FromTheDepths said:
Hey boss love the quick response! i've actually been inoculating some of my own ''super soil'' for the past 45 or so days in the begining it had a small but nice micro web of sort, i got excited and mixed that in. Well ever since i did that i havent seen the web since and my soil has been quite moist not wet but damp in a way its browning around the outside which im guessing is humus forming. I am very excited to see what super soil can produce. Right now im looking into building my garden, its going to be indoors 8x8 or 10x10 I have a big question man really need to figure out if i should do 4 400 watts or 4 600watts. Im going to be hopefully comercial gardening in the near future so i need to set my sights on more light spread with still great output and lumens for huge buds. most likely going to be doing cool tubes to me they seem to be more efficient and cheaper than hoods, less room for air to move around in seems better to me. Lets talk people!

Well I have to say that 4 600w definitely won't cover a 10x10 space. But it might do just fine if you hung them barebulb in a 8x8 room. Just let each six hundred have its own 4x4 space and then put your plants around them.

You wouldn't need any hoods at all. I'm a huge advocate of barebulb vertical grows. If you had that much space it would be perfect. You could do the plants and the lights in a layout like this...

X X X X X
X O X O X
X X X X X
X O X O X
X X X X X

the x are plants and the o lights. You hang the bulb with a fan directly underneath it to keep it cool

and you won't have any issues with heat.

You could run it perpetual and move the more mature plants to place where they are getting light from more than one bulb. You would need a separate veg space tho.

weariedjuggler · Feb 4, 2015

If that super soil is subcools original recipe you will need to make sure you blend it with some other soil because that recipe is too hot for most strains of cannabis. But it should do you well. I really don't think it calls for enough rock dusts or earth worm castings. It's good to have all the nutrients there but you need more humic acid sources as well as rock dusts to help with the cation exchange capacity. So look into the recycled organic living soil thread here in the organics section. You can also read up on the mulching thread. They will both blow your mind.

weariedjuggler · Feb 4, 2015

As for worms. You can buy eisenia fetidus worms online. The brand is earthworm Jim or somethin like that. I got a pound to start with and the worm factory from amazon all for around one hundred and ten dollars. You can make a worm bin for cheaper but the worm factory is super easy to use. Now all my compostable material feeds my worms and then in turn my plants.

The worms stick around in bigger pots but they are composting worms not soil worms so they hang out around the surface more. I just do some mulching and they eat the mulch and it feeds the plants even more.

I don't think they will stick around in pots smaller than 5 gallons.

weariedjuggler · Feb 4, 2015

One more thing to note. If you do it right you shouldn't get less than a pound per lamp in that vert setup I showed you. I read through a thread where the guy got a little over 3 pounds with 2 600w stacked barebulb.... it was beautiful.

FromTheDepths · Feb 4, 2015

I've definitly seen the growing techniques when done the verticle way, it seems the set up wouldent be to hard either. A bunch of shelves with plants stacked on different levels. seems like it would work but thats where i split, wouldent this method create lots of smaller plants with skinnier colas? i like the idea of a bunch of plants growing around it on each side, but it would seem like you would have to rotate plants every day to get all areas of growth. I am very excited to do all my plants mainline method with some supercropping techniques if needed. tell me what you think of that please, and if you can win me over on this verti setup im all ears for sure. Thanks ill definitly let you know as soon as i mold my room and get my lights

midcoastgrow · Feb 4, 2015

weariedjuggler said:
To be honest with you I think that a good quality 400w would be just fine in this space. I got a cheap one from ebay and I dont have a good reflector. it could be that I would just have to change my fixture to get better coverage. but as for now I'm just adding some side lighting. a 600w would technically be perfect for a 3x4 and a 400w is perfect for a 2x4. that is going by the 50watts per square foot rule for HID lighting. I think I'm ok running the 400w in a 3x3. But if you get the 2x4 tent and a 400w I think you will be stylin!

there are 3 plants in this scrog and I vegged for roughly 7 weeks before i flipped them but they only veged maybe 3 weeks under the screen. the rest of the time was in a seed/clone tent.

Thanks for the input! Do you find it easier to veg some before putting them under/into the screen? I don't know how economical it would be right now for me to have two spaces as I am purchasing all my equipment from scratch, and want to do it really right.

weariedjuggler · Feb 4, 2015

midcoastgrow said:
Thanks for the input! Do you find it easier to veg some before putting them under/into the screen? I don't know how economical it would be right now for me to have two spaces as I am purchasing all my equipment from scratch, and want to do it really right.

Well it would allow you to grow perpetually if you had two spaces to work with. If you didn't you'd most likely have to plant seeds then veg then flower every time. A run would last four months instead of having flowers come out every two and a half months.

weariedjuggler · Feb 4, 2015

That being said you could look at the 12/12 from seed thread here on riu and check out del66 work. He just runs one room at the flowering photoperiod and plants seeds there. After a few weeks of initial veg they start to flower. So you could run it that way if you really enjoy popping New seeds and new genetics all the time

weariedjuggler · Feb 4, 2015

FromTheDepths said:
I've definitly seen the growing techniques when done the verticle way, it seems the set up wouldent be to hard either. A bunch of shelves with plants stacked on different levels. seems like it would work but thats where i split, wouldent this method create lots of smaller plants with skinnier colas? i like the idea of a bunch of plants growing around it on each side, but it would seem like you would have to rotate plants every day to get all areas of growth. I am very excited to do all my plants mainline method with some supercropping techniques if needed. tell me what you think of that please, and if you can win me over on this verti setup im all ears for sure. Thanks ill definitly let you know as soon as i mold my room and get my lights

Well if you have a separate space to veg your plants you can veg them for a month an a Half or two months to get the maintaining done and then move them into the flowering room. You would def have to rotate the plants a couple times a week but not every day. You definitely don't need to do a ton of tiny plants. Bigger plants are amazing in barebulb vert. There is no diminishing return of light from reflection. Check out my thread in the organics section of riu and you'll see my 250w vet setup in a 3x3 tent. It's righteous.

I've been getting just as good of yields from my 250w vert as I have been from my 400w horizontal grows.

Imagine 600w in vert. Just let the plants get to two feet in height before putting them in the flower room.

FromTheDepths · Feb 5, 2015

weariedjuggler said:
Well if you have a separate space to veg your plants you can veg them for a month an a Half or two months to get the maintaining done and then move them into the flowering room. You would def have to rotate the plants a couple times a week but not every day. You definitely don't need to do a ton of tiny plants. Bigger plants are amazing in barebulb vert. There is no diminishing return of light from reflection. Check out my thread in the organics section of riu and you'll see my 250w vet setup in a 3x3 tent. It's righteous.

I've been getting just as good of yields from my 250w vert as I have been from my 400w horizontal grows.

Imagine 600w in vert. Just let the plants get to two feet in height before putting them in the flower room.

The no diminishing return is very appealing i have to admit im very interested for that perk alone. But im trying to think about it and what maintaing could i really be doing in that 2 month of veg time, i could imagine maybe lollipopping. i couldent mainline like i wanted but! im very stoned right now and its hitting me! you could probably figure out some way to lst or scrog vertigrow? its late. it you would, give me some links if you would to those forums or posts i should read thank you very much man! its all about that research and pre-planned orginizations thats how you grow the finest and chunkiest herbs my friends!

Sagethisplanet · Feb 6, 2015

Sagethisplanet said:
Why are Ya torn? SCrog isn't doing it? What was yield again and how many olants Ya have?

Use a 600 and a 400 at the same time, with some LED. Hortilux blue, then was thinking having a blue at 600 and the new yellow MH at 400 to prep for flower. Think there is a way to create a new spectrum of nm that's perfect, and new, that will create more sugars and therefore more flowers once flowering starts? Use a 10000w hort SHPS for flower........ Thanks for the props, the tents are nice but not really stealthy, I mean you got fans and filters and all outside the tent so..... Use the 76 inch tall one, think it's 4x4 base tho.... Not sure.....not big enough for 8 5 gal plants...

fishdeth · Feb 6, 2015

weariedjuggler said:
maybe im too stoned buddy but i dont understand what you are sayin!!! help me out here

Typo or fuckin spell correction. ..
Either SCROGGING or mainlining.
Check out the tutorial at growweedeasy.com for mainlining. (they also have a nice one for scrog too).
Mainlining is basically 8 main colas from one node on the plant.
All 8 colas receive the same amount of nourishment and you have NO small buds.
Check it out.

weariedjuggler · Feb 6, 2015

fishdeth said:
Typo or fuckin spell correction. ..
Either SCROGGING or mainlining.
Check out the tutorial at growweedeasy.com for mainlining. (they also have a nice one for scrog too).
Mainlining is basically 8 main colas from one node on the plant.
All 8 colas receive the same amount of nourishment and you have NO small buds.
Check it out.

I know what mainlining is

I read through the thread a year or two ago. I like the concept but I think I would only do it if I had a 600w or a 1000w because I would want high quality light all the way down a two foot cola. A 400w wont do that so well. So it is scrog for me. Also I think mainlining looks spectacular for outdoors!!!

weariedjuggler · Feb 8, 2015

so I wont be able to take any more pictures for a little over a week. there is family comin over to the house so we gotta be super careful how much time we spend there. Its gonna be just a quick water in 2 times next week and thats it. but the pics after will be special

here they are with lights on and off this morning. Day 32 of 12/12

fishdeth · Feb 8, 2015

Nice !
Really starting to spit out the trichs.

midcoastgrow · Feb 12, 2015

weariedjuggler said:
One more thing to note. If you do it right you shouldn't get less than a pound per lamp in that vert setup I showed you. I read through a thread where the guy got a little over 3 pounds with 2 600w stacked barebulb.... it was beautiful.

On my way to look at this right now. I'm an avid smoker that now has a family member that needs medicine. Looking to set up my first grow as a small tent in my basement. My current intention is a 600w in a 4x2, but the vertical sounds really intriguing. Thanks for the thought.

weariedjuggler · Feb 16, 2015

The horizontal scrog at day 40 12/12:

weariedjuggler · Feb 21, 2015

Here is the horizontal scrog at day 45 of 12/12

weariedjuggler · Feb 24, 2015

scrog at day 48 of 12/12

Midwest Weedist · Feb 27, 2015

midcoastgrow said:
I like the looks of your room! I'm doing my research into investing (from scratch) into a similar sized tent. I think right now I'm looking at a 4 x 2 x 5 ft tall. I've been reading really conflicting things about lighting amounts per space, and I see that you started with a 400w but had to add more lighting. Do you feel that for a similar sized space a 600w HPS would be sufficient for flowering? I intend to use the screen method as well.

Also how many plants to you have there, in what size pots? How long did you veg for before flipping to 12/12?

This is what that size tent will look like with a 600 watt cool tubed setup. 400 watts is more than enough for that space. I have mine dialed down to 75% currently (450 watts). Even at 50% (300 watts) I still get a good strong light footprint in my tent.

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