Opinions on flushing

testiclees

testiclees

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Craig1969SS said:
Man pay no mind to that creep. I use bush Doctor with every watering from the start, it's only 2 drops/gallon. Also for In between and final flush. A bottle lasts forever. It's 10% saponins from the yucca. It will bubble like a detergent in dwc but not so much in coco but there's a bunch of flushing agents to choose. First u should be tapering your ppm down to 0 the week before the last week maybe? Your choice. pH your flushing solutions to the nut no matter what you hear otherwise. Try to use RO water. You'll use very small amounts of acid or base that way. I don't go 10-14 days on plain water 5-7 at most. Nothing hard and fast here. I drench the pots more often and lift the pots and tilt at an angle until It stops. You'll be surprised how long it takes to stop.
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Pay no attention to that shill, hydro store owner, stoner bro scientist, summer scool botanist.
 
Dumme

Dumme

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Bbcchance said:
True, however they do store excess food and water in leaves, namely those tiny little ones that are growing in your buds, this is where the (chemically taste) is most present in overferted flowers, unless of course you get them all, I'm a lazy trimmer lol
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Where do you guys learn this stuff?!? Wow, I wish you guy would stop spreading this info as fact, when it's just a thesis, that has no scientific fact to back it.

Leaves do NOT store nutrients. N,P, K, Ca, Mg, S, B, Fe, Cu, Cl, Mb, Mn, Zn, are not the chemical taste. Hell, these elements are all over the place, including your mouth right now. Do you taste chemicals? The compound named Chlorophyll is the reason and souce of the harsh smoke and chemical taste.

Dry right, cure right, and you won't have a problem. Flush in is for cleansing buildup in soil; to clean it by pure water to remove salt buildup, not some magical method for a cleaner taste.

Realistically, even with extreme buildup you won't effect the taste. Chlorophyll naturally breaks down. Buildup might kill your plant or stunt growth though, but again, has nothing to do with taste.

 
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Bbcchance

Bbcchance

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Dumme said:
Where do you guys learn this stuff?!? Wow, I wish you guy would stop spreading this info as fact, when it's just a thesis, that has no scientific fact to back it.

Leaves do NOT store nutrients. N,P, K, Ca, Mg, S, B, Fe, Cu, Cl, Mb, Mn, Zn, are not the chemical taste. Hell, these elements are all over the place, including your mouth right now. Do you taste chemicals? The compound named Chlorophyll is the reason and souce of the harsh smoke and chemical taste.

Dry right, cure right, and you won't have a problem. Flush in is for cleansing buildup in soil; to clean it by pure water to remove salt buildup, not some magical method for a cleaner taste.

Realistically, even with extreme buildup you won't effect the taste. Chlorophyll naturally breaks down. Buildup might kill your plant or stunt growth though, but again, has nothing to do with taste.

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The movement of sugars in a plant is much different than the movement of water. First of all, phloem can move both up and down a plant, which comes in handy when a plant needs energy down below to grow new roots, or when a tasty apple is developing on a high branch. The sugars are made in the leaves as a product of photosynthesis. To get the food made in the leaves to other parts of the growing plant requires energy. So, with the help of some water from the xylem, sugars are actively loaded into the phloem where the sugars were made (which is called the source) and actively offload where they are needed (which is called the sink).
 
Dumme

Dumme

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Bbcchance said:
The movement of sugars in a plant is much different than the movement of water. First of all, phloem can move both up and down a plant, which comes in handy when a plant needs energy down below to grow new roots, or when a tasty apple is developing on a high branch. The sugars are made in the leaves as a product of photosynthesis. To get the food made in the leaves to other parts of the growing plant requires energy. So, with the help of some water from the xylem, sugars are actively loaded into the phloem where the sugars were made (which is called the source) and actively offload where they are needed (which is called the sink).
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This isn't new information and doesn't support "leaves store nutrients" thesis.
 
Bbcchance

Bbcchance

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Dumme said:
This isn't new information and doesn't support "leaves store nutrients" thesis.
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I understand it isn't new information, it's just the botany of how plants work, if the food isn't stored in the leaves how to you suppose it gets from the leaves (where it's made in a process called photosynthisis) to where it is needed?
 
Dumme

Dumme

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Bbcchance said:
I understand it isn't new information, it's just the botany of how plants work, if the food isn't stored in the leaves how to you suppose it gets from the leaves (where it's made in a process called photosynthisis) to where it is needed?
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Manufacturing G3P and storing NPK elements are two completely different things. I completely understand how a plant works.
 
bbyb420

bbyb420

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PSUEDO SCIENCE! Who the fuck thought up of this? Starving your plant of the essential building blocks of growth wont do anything but stunt growth. Flushing only makes sense to remove excess salts or nutrient buildup that comes with overfertilizing of chems
 
Bbcchance

Bbcchance

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Dumme said:
Manufacturing G3P and storing NPK elements are two completely different things. I completely understand how a plant works.
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Merely stating that plants store their food in their leaves, you said it was untrue, I'm still waiting on your explanation of why it is an untrue statement, and if it is true then what is happening during "fade" of a plant, I was under the impression the plant was using up stored food in the leaves? You seem to be a botanist so please explain the process to us poor unenlightened folks, thanks in advance BBC
 
Dumme

Dumme

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Bbcchance said:
Merely stating that plants store their food in their leaves, you said it was untrue, I'm still waiting on your explanation of why it is an untrue statement, and if it is true then what is happening during "fade" of a plant, I was under the impression the plant was using up stored food in the leaves? You seem to be a botanist so please explain the process to us poor unenlightened folks, thanks in advance BBC
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Because leaves don't contain the necessary cell structure to do so.
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"The mechanism by which sugars are transported through the phloem, from sources to sinks, is called pressure flow. At the sources (usually the leaves), sugar molecules are moved into the sieve elements (phloem cells) through active transport." ~google


If you like, I can post hundred of videos in support, I just recommend you do the research on your own.

The problem I have is you didnt post any soures of how "leaves store nutrients" in your original post. You didnt say nutrients are use to make G3P or chlorophyll, you specifically said, "they do store nutrients and water".
 
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Bbcchance

Bbcchance

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Dumme said:
Because leaves don't contain the necessary cell structure to do so.
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"The mechanism by which sugars are transported through the phloem, from sources to sinks, is called pressure flow. At the sources (usually the leaves), sugar molecules are moved into the sieve elements (phloem cells) through active transport." ~google


If you like, I can post hundred of videos in support, I just recommend you do the research on your own.
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Did you even watch your own video? Did you notice the part where he spoke of sink cells? Right about 1:30 mark you will perhaps hear the part I'm talking about:peace: but you are welcome to post 99 more if you would like
 
Dumme

Dumme

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Bbcchance said:
Did you even watch your own video? Did you notice the part where he spoke of sink cells? Right about 1:30 mark you will perhaps hear the part I'm talking about:peace: but you are welcome to post 99 more if you would like
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Wow, guy.

Source Cells don't store nutrients, they hold sugars, until pressure equalizes through osmosis.

Sink Cells hold carbohydrates (sucrose) and are located in the roots.

Please, Please, stop giving advice on something you don't understand.
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Indacouch

Indacouch

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Dumme said:
Wow, guy.

Source Cells don't store nutrients, they hold sugars, until pressure equalizes through osmosis.

Sink Cells hold carbohydrates (sucrose) and are located in the roots.

Please, Please, stop giving advice on something you don't understand.
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Is it weird that the chart above looks like something the doctor would bring out to tell you they found an STD .....
 
Bbcchance

Bbcchance

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Dumme said:
Wow, guy.

Source Cells don't store nutrients, they hold sugars, until pressure equalizes through osmosis.

Sink Cells hold carbohydrates (sucrose) and are located in the roots.

Please, Please, stop giving advice on something you don't understand.
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Exactly, I never said nutrients, I said food, what is it that plants eat anyways? And look at all that lovely sucrose in the leave on your diagram, yummy, and again what is going on with plant fade? And frankly the only thing I don't understand is why I'm continuing this pointless debate, instead of making sweet love to my wife, goodnight guy
 
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