Onyx Grow Bloom vs Area 51 RW-150 Gorilla Glue #4 Grow

captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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This grow should start flower on Thursday,RW-150 arriving Wednesday.
Lets try to keep the discussion to these two lights or the LED's they use or the Gorilla Glue #4,try not to get off on too many tangents please.

I'll be adding more info.

Both lights will be in their own 3' x 3' tent.
Both will be a Gorilla Glue #4 clone on screens.
61 days of veg.
7 Gal fabric pots with a soil I made.
No supplemental lighting except a 730 nm Flower Initiator and possible UV,so all things will be equal.
Since both lights are rectangular and in square tents I'll have them mounted on a swivel and rotate them 90 degrees each day to even the coverage out.

http://www.onyxgrow.com/bloom.html

http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=192


GG#4 vs grow 001.JPG GG#4 vs grow 002.JPG
 
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digimidgi

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PSUAGRO. said:
Good question.........but I think you showed us(pics) too much light loss into the casing without them, so probably NO IMO...
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Not if you unsolder the power socket and remove the cover/casing:) Which is what I've done.
I've had them on for a few weeks in my little cupboard but the girls are to girls big and are hitting the ceiling/carbon filter... I really need my wardrobe grow to finish so i can move them.. BUT they are responding well considering:)
 
spazatak

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digimidgi said:
Not if you unsolder the power socket and remove the cover/casing:) Which is what I've done.
I've had them on for a few weeks in my little cupboard but the girls are to girls big and are hitting the ceiling/carbon filter... I really need my wardrobe grow to finish so i can move them.. BUT they are responding well considering:)
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Got any pics
 
spazatak

spazatak

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thanks man......is your unit without the cover and the power lead is hanging freely? (last pic)

I am considering this unit but really dont like the diffused lenses
 
digimidgi

digimidgi

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spazatak said:
thanks man......is your unit without the cover and the power lead is hanging freely? (last pic) I am considering this unit but really dont like the diffused lenses
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Yes just hanging kind of out the way. Plants loving it:) I'd love a couple of these
 
Positivity

Positivity

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After using xmls...that close definitely no reflectors. But at distance they don't have much penetration without some type of optic. Better than most small leds without reflectors though...AFAIK

That stealth cabinet shot is a perfect example of why I bring up dimmers all the time. Could probably drop that light to 50%...it'd run cooler and not provide too much light

But they are budding so more lights not a bad thing always. Nice stealth cab! I used to have something similar
 
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SupraSPL

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Awesome CAP! and awesome digimigi!

So it is cool white/red XPE(edit thnx CAP) vs 3000K. Mike from RapidLED was kind enough to give us the bin of the XML2 (T4 7A4). Although the Onyx website says 2700K the 7A4 is about 3000-3100K with an emphasis on red, a perfect spectrum for flowering IMO.
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digimidgi

digimidgi

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captainmorgan said:
This grow should start flower on Thursday,RW-150 arriving Wednesday.
Lets try to keep the discussion to these two lights or the LED's they use or the Gorilla Glue #4,try not to get off on too many tangents please.

Both lights will be in their own 3' x 3' tent.
Both will be a Gorilla Glue #4 clone on screens.
No supplemental lighting except a 730 nm Flower Initiator and possible UV,so all things will be equal.


http://www.onyxgrow.com/bloom.html

http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=192


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Perfect set-up/environment. So clean and so much space:) I'm rather envious
 
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i will follow a long...mine just went under onyx a few days ago.....

now i understand what the concerns people have with the lenses but my impression is that they give a good spread of light for the size of the actual lamp...
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Onyx Info

I talked to Mike to check the bin and asked him about their parts and assembly,here's what he said.

"The current unit you have is from group T4, bin 7C1 so right at 3,000K."

"When we order LEDs from CREE they don't allow us to specify an exact bin, unless the distributor happens to have that bin on hand. We can only order by order code, which encompasses a lot of bins. What we usually do is ask a lot of distributors to find who has the LEDs available and which bins they have, we try to keep it as close to 2700K as possible but usually it's closer to 3000K. I don't think we've gone over 3,000K yet and our hope is that we don't have to, but you do get slight increases in output the higher in K you go (that's why our veg unit runs cooler and is brighter both in terms of PAR and lumens since it's a ~6,500K light).

The unit you received was assembled by us here in California. However, we do also assemble in China. The reason for the two locations is that it depends on the timing of the order and how badly we need them, if we have plenty of stock and aren't in a rush we'll have them done in China. If we are running low on stock we get all the parts and assemble them here (only requires screws so assembly isn't terribly difficult). Most of the parts come from Asia (Taiwan, China, Malaysia)."

Here's a couple pics,including one with the back cover off.

This lights heatsink gets quite warm but Mike assures me that it's thermally protected and it will hold up for many years under these temps. He said you can run it with the cover off if you want and point a fan at it or you could add a couple computer type fans to it if you want to cool it more but it's fine the way it comes.

I'm going to run mine with the back cover off and may point a fan at it.
 

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Mellodrama

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captainmorgan said:
"When we order LEDs from CREE they don't allow us to specify an exact bin, unless the distributor happens to have that bin on hand...
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Interesting. I've heard over and over that the ability to select exact bins is one of the things that sets the high-end manufacturers apart from the dreaded "Chinese junk".

I certainly don't mean that Onyx's or A51's or AT's are the same as the free-for-all Chinese LED market. CREE's lack of cooperation means a little bit of variation. That's not the same as low-bin/reject LED's.

It's just that one of the main arguments for the high-end guys has been binning...
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Mellodrama said:
Interesting. I've heard over and over that the ability to select exact bins is one of the things that sets the high-end manufacturers apart from the dreaded "Chinese junk".

I certainly don't mean that Onyx's or A51's or AT's are the same as the free-for-all Chinese LED market. CREE's lack of cooperation means a little bit of variation. That's not the same as low-bin/reject LED's. It's just that one of the main arguments for the high-end guys has been binning...
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I don't think this is a big deal. They're not mixing high bins and low bins,it seems more like a acceptable range of color in a given quality range.
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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Mellodrama said:
Interesting. I've heard over and over that the ability to select exact bins is one of the things that sets the high-end manufacturers apart from the dreaded "Chinese junk".

I certainly don't mean that Onyx's or A51's or AT's are the same as the free-for-all Chinese LED market. CREE's lack of cooperation means a little bit of variation. That's not the same as low-bin/reject LED's.

It's just that one of the main arguments for the high-end guys has been binning...
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OSRAM does the same, won't sell exact bins directly (according to guod:))..............thought it was weird as well
 
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