Ohio Legalization

Here is what is going on in Ohio.

There is a group calling itself Responsible Ohio. http://responsibleohio.com

They are slowly releasing information a little bit at a time. This group is backed by some very powerful business people. Some names have been released but not all the players.

Here are some of the highlights of their amendment:

There will only be 10 grow locations. No doubt owned by the backers of the initiative

There will only be 5 testing facilities. No doubt owned by the backers of the initiative

Entrepreneurs, age 21 will be able to apply for license to operate a retail store, non profit medical marijuana retail store or manufacturing of cannabis products such as edibles etc....

There is no home grow in this initiative.

15% flat tax. Producer to retailer 15%, retailer to consumer 15%. Result for consumer 30% + tax

This group has the financial backing to pay for signature gatherers, media campaign, lobby, etc...

Our grass roots groups in Ohio don't have the resources that Responsible Ohio does. The grass roots amendments are alot better then Responsible Ohio, promoting a "Free Market" business model and not the monopolistic model proposed by Responsible Ohio.

Here are the grassroots sites: http://www.ohiorightsgroup.org/ http://responsibleohioans.org/ http://www.legalizeohio2016.org/
 

mike4c4

Well-Known Member
I've read about this in the news. I would suggest people not vote to pass this legalization effort simply cause it's not what people who use it would want. Not to mention how hard it would be to have it amended to add home growing. The backers of this are all about profit(as the structuring of the bill shows). If people vote for this they are essentially voting in a legal Ohio drug kingpin sitting atop of that monopoly that will be created. I'll pass on legal marijuana under those conditions!
WHAT you have no clue whats going on. If it wasn't for us nothing would be done. Responsible Ohio. http://responsibleohio.com is over OHIO I am a rep. for ohio rights group. all the sites in the post above are sites made by other reps. The fact is ohio very well might be the FIRST stat to legalize medical and recreational WITHOUT having to go through baby steps like ALL the other states.
The point is we collect names all year to try to get this passed and if the names that we collect dont vote then NOTHING will pass.To hear people say don't vote because we want more. STOP BEING A BITCH.
IF you want it legal in ohio then vote WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. but there is far more going on than you can realize yet. SORRY for getting upset that just hit a nerve. Im going to hit some skunk
 

TreeOfLiberty

Well-Known Member
I know how this will end up for Responsible Ohio when it passes, and it probably will pass from the big money pushing it. Responsible Ohio will end up losing their ass with the investments in getting all the warehouses and commercial business property and buildings set up. In the very beginning they might make some money but how long will that last ? Not very long. The big money backers of Responsible Ohio are foolish to try and make an even more aggressive model such as WA's I-502 bill which will be taxed heavily and then try and charge prices that herb users just will not pay. WA recreational dispensaries have hundreds of pounds of herb they just cannot move that's sitting in their stock rooms because the majority of WA herb users are buying it from the black market where it's cheaper or they are growing their own.

WA state does have a MMJ bill though, and that's how people can legally be protected in WA by being able to grow their own. However, just because Ohio will have no legal way around being able to home grow does not mean that Ohio residents will abide by that. There WILL BE a black market boom that emerges on the scene in Ohio if this Responsible Ohio bill passes. There will be MANY that take to cleaning out their garages and basements and setting up decent sized grow operations and these people WILL greatly undercut the backers of Responsible Ohio.

Companies like PlantlightingHydroponics on the internet that's based in Twinsburg , Ohio will see sales skyrocket from orders coming in day after day. Responsible Ohio will likely lose money bad, which I think will be funny, but I'll feel bad for all the Ohio residents that will get busted for home grows. You are going to see those that will grow their own small personal supply grows and then there will be those that will set up home grows for black market sales. What then will these backers of Responsible Ohio do then ? No doubt they will be angry that the black market home growers and outlaw personal use growers are undercutting their sales, they will then pressure Ohio law enforcement to go on marijuana home growing raids becoming their enforcers. This is why a state-sanctioned monopoly is doomed for failure.

My prediction is that this bill will create such an increase of marijuana grow raids that public backlash all over Ohio will be so strong that possibly after about 1 year of sky rocketed marijuana grow arrests and Ohio residents screaming "so where's all this non-existent tax revenue that Responsible Ohio has not made and on top of that Ohio law enforcement filling up the jails with marijuana growers, the state is actually going in the hole and you call this legalization ?".

After all this happens, then you will see Ohio legislators putting forth home grow amendments into law to put a stop to the massive wave of arrests. I'm telling you, this Responsible Ohio bill is going to create thousands of felons that will be charged for felony marijuana cultivation, whether it's an Ohio resident that get's caught with 4 or 5 plants in their apartment, or some Ohio residential house that has a basement packed with 80 plants that wreak out an odor alerting their neighbors that they have a grower growing next door to them.

No regular herb user is going to pay what these monopolistic people will be selling for. No way. Not in this economy. In WA state, as of just a few months ago, 1 gram was selling for around 32 bucks ! Herb users aren't going to pay that. I doubt that Responsible Ohio will even be able to get a jump on the first opening sales before the black market growers will be beating them to it. Responsible Ohio will lose their ass and in a state of vindictiveness will be pressure Ohio law enforcement to crack down on their "illegal" competitors. This isn't happening in WA state because MMJ has been their so long, WA law enforcement there have a more relaxed attitude towards marijuana use. It will be an entirely different scene in Ohio. It will be something new and Ohio law enforcement will look at any chance they have to punish marijuana users, so they will become dupes and enforcers for Responsible Ohio. Will the increase in "illegal" Ohio home grows scare home growers into stopping growing ? Hell no.

Because when 100 home grows get busted, 1000 new home grows will replace them. Responsible Ohio is the worst "half-way" legalization bill I've ever seen. It may as well be called a state-sanctioned monopoly that will COST Ohio tax dollars. The funniest thing about it to me will be hearing Responsible Ohio backers whine about Ohio residents not abiding by the bill and fueling the black market.

My recommendation is for Ohioans to begin planting marijuana outdoors in visible locations this summer. I mean do Johnny Appleseed grows as a political statement. Don't plant with any hope of coming back to harvest, plant it where it can be seen. Save all those bag seed. Plant them in flower beds at shopping malls, strip malls, plant them on the sides of highways, plant them outside of the grounds of police stations, on the edges of colleges , next to powerlines, ect. Over grow the state. Plant in great numbers. Forget about using a shovel. Poke a hole with a pen, drop a seed, move a foot away, repeat, do it fast, then go down the road a ways, find another spot and repeat, plant 20 seeds in one spot that way fast, leave the location and drive down the road a half-mile and repeat. Sprouting rates will be limited from this method but this isn't about gaining a harvest but as sending a political message. Tie up law enforcement's time. Make it a thorn in their side in having to eradicate it. Let nature and high ratios of mathematical probability do most of the work for you.

Money isn't the only way to force legislators hands from getting a campaign and bill passed. Think of it as a war of attrition , to see who can outlast who, hence the name "guerrilla" growing, but out-in-the-open. Recreational legalization must come with full rights. Responsible Ohio will likely get the bill they want passed, but they will not get the results of which they think they will get. The black market will boom in Ohio just as soon as this half-way bill is passed and Responsible Ohio's greed and monopolistic motives will backfire on them severely. Anyway it goes, Ohioans will eventually get home growing rights but it will probably come at the expense of thousands of home growing felons. The backers of Responsible Ohio will NEVER recoup their money. They are delusional if they think the black market won't explode in Ohio and cause them to have warehouses full of herb that won't sell.

Watch the monopolistic greedy bastards of Responsible Ohio FAIL. Their greed for financial gain and ignoring statistical trends has blinded them greatly to reality of which they will soon realize when they get their bill passed.
 

mike4c4

Well-Known Member
I know how this will end up for Responsible Ohio when it passes, and it probably will pass from the big money pushing it. Responsible Ohio will end up losing their ass with the investments in getting all the warehouses and commercial business property and buildings set up. In the very beginning they might make some money but how long will that last ? Not very long. The big money backers of Responsible Ohio are foolish to try and make an even more aggressive model such as WA's I-502 bill which will be taxed heavily and then try and charge prices that herb users just will not pay. WA recreational dispensaries have hundreds of pounds of herb they just cannot move that's sitting in their stock rooms because the majority of WA herb users are buying it from the black market where it's cheaper or they are growing their own.

WA state does have a MMJ bill though, and that's how people can legally be protected in WA by being able to grow their own. However, just because Ohio will have no legal way around being able to home grow does not mean that Ohio residents will abide by that. There WILL BE a black market boom that emerges on the scene in Ohio if this Responsible Ohio bill passes. There will be MANY that take to cleaning out their garages and basements and setting up decent sized grow operations and these people WILL greatly undercut the backers of Responsible Ohio.

Companies like PlantlightingHydroponics on the internet that's based in Twinsburg , Ohio will see sales skyrocket from orders coming in day after day. Responsible Ohio will likely lose money bad, which I think will be funny, but I'll feel bad for all the Ohio residents that will get busted for home grows. You are going to see those that will grow their own small personal supply grows and then there will be those that will set up home grows for black market sales. What then will these backers of Responsible Ohio do then ? No doubt they will be angry that the black market home growers and outlaw personal use growers are undercutting their sales, they will then pressure Ohio law enforcement to go on marijuana home growing raids becoming their enforcers. This is why a state-sanctioned monopoly is doomed for failure.

My prediction is that this bill will create such an increase of marijuana grow raids that public backlash all over Ohio will be so strong that possibly after about 1 year of sky rocketed marijuana grow arrests and Ohio residents screaming "so where's all this non-existent tax revenue that Responsible Ohio has not made and on top of that Ohio law enforcement filling up the jails with marijuana growers, the state is actually going in the hole and you call this legalization ?".

After all this happens, then you will see Ohio legislators putting forth home grow amendments into law to put a stop to the massive wave of arrests. I'm telling you, this Responsible Ohio bill is going to create thousands of felons that will be charged for felony marijuana cultivation, whether it's an Ohio resident that get's caught with 4 or 5 plants in their apartment, or some Ohio residential house that has a basement packed with 80 plants that wreak out an odor alerting their neighbors that they have a grower growing next door to them.

No regular herb user is going to pay what these monopolistic people will be selling for. No way. Not in this economy. In WA state, as of just a few months ago, 1 gram was selling for around 32 bucks ! Herb users aren't going to pay that. I doubt that Responsible Ohio will even be able to get a jump on the first opening sales before the black market growers will be beating them to it. Responsible Ohio will lose their ass and in a state of vindictiveness will be pressure Ohio law enforcement to crack down on their "illegal" competitors. This isn't happening in WA state because MMJ has been their so long, WA law enforcement there have a more relaxed attitude towards marijuana use. It will be an entirely different scene in Ohio. It will be something new and Ohio law enforcement will look at any chance they have to punish marijuana users, so they will become dupes and enforcers for Responsible Ohio. Will the increase in "illegal" Ohio home grows scare home growers into stopping growing ? Hell no.

Because when 100 home grows get busted, 1000 new home grows will replace them. Responsible Ohio is the worst "half-way" legalization bill I've ever seen. It may as well be called a state-sanctioned monopoly that will COST Ohio tax dollars. The funniest thing about it to me will be hearing Responsible Ohio backers whine about Ohio residents not abiding by the bill and fueling the black market.

My recommendation is for Ohioans to begin planting marijuana outdoors in visible locations this summer. I mean do Johnny Appleseed grows as a political statement. Don't plant with any hope of coming back to harvest, plant it where it can be seen. Save all those bag seed. Plant them in flower beds at shopping malls, strip malls, plant them on the sides of highways, plant them outside of the grounds of police stations, on the edges of colleges , next to powerlines, ect. Over grow the state. Plant in great numbers. Forget about using a shovel. Poke a hole with a pen, drop a seed, move a foot away, repeat, do it fast, then go down the road a ways, find another spot and repeat, plant 20 seeds in one spot that way fast, leave the location and drive down the road a half-mile and repeat. Sprouting rates will be limited from this method but this isn't about gaining a harvest but as sending a political message. Tie up law enforcement's time. Make it a thorn in their side in having to eradicate it. Let nature and high ratios of mathematical probability do most of the work for you.

Money isn't the only way to force legislators hands from getting a campaign and bill passed. Think of it as a war of attrition , to see who can outlast who, hence the name "guerrilla" growing, but out-in-the-open. Recreational legalization must come with full rights. Responsible Ohio will likely get the bill they want passed, but they will not get the results of which they think they will get. The black market will boom in Ohio just as soon as this half-way bill is passed and Responsible Ohio's greed and monopolistic motives will backfire on them severely. Anyway it goes, Ohioans will eventually get home growing rights but it will probably come at the expense of thousands of home growing felons. The backers of Responsible Ohio will NEVER recoup their money. They are delusional if they think the black market won't explode in Ohio and cause them to have warehouses full of herb that won't sell.

Watch the monopolistic greedy bastards of Responsible Ohio FAIL. Their greed for financial gain and ignoring statistical trends has blinded them greatly to reality of which they will soon realize when they get their bill passed.
This is what in talking about. People dont know all the facts and run there mouth instead of asking a question. you say you feel bad for all the Ohio residents that will get busted for home grows. and Ohioans will eventually get home growing rights but it will probably come at the expense of thousands of home growing felons. but you dont know the OHIO laws we got passed on this already.
Marijuana remains illegal in Ohio, including medical uses. Polls show a wave of support for medicinal marijuana in Ohio (where legislative efforts are underway) and other states, but Ohio law still makes it a crime.

However, Ohio has substantially loosened its marijuana laws. The possession of less than 100 grams (roughly 3.5 ounces) of cannabis, or the transfer of less than 20 grams (i.e. giving it so someone else), are considered "minor misdemeanors." This means these are not jailable offenses, but are punishable by up to $150 in fines and a possible driver's license suspension for a period of six months to five years.

Felony charges are reserved for the possession of more than 200 grams; the sale or transfer of more than 20 grams; or the possession of more than 10 grams of hashish (or more than 2 grams of liquid concentrates). A conviction on charges of drugged driving carries a penalty of between three days and six months in prison, plus a six-month to three-year driver's license suspension.

Now i think thats a pretty good start. they passed this awhile back because they are trying to help med pat. Once its legal the changing of this law will not be as hard to remove as you think. They have seen other stats pass the bill and fight fro years to fix state laws, and have learned from the mistakes of other stats.
 
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droopy107

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Mike has it right on this one. Legalization is something that must happen first, even though the legislation that produces it will not be completely to my liking. We as growers or users need to keep in mind that we are a small minority of the voting public and any legislation that has a hope of passing will need to be designed to please the mind set of the general public. The average voter isn't going to vote yes on MJ unless they feel that the law is adequate to ensure that all the reefer madness stories they have been fed won't be unleashed upon the state. We also need to keep in mind that passing legislation that comes with a large emotional investment on both sides requires a large investment of not only time, but money. Something grass roots has little chance of providing. I don't like to see business designing legislation either, but the reality here is that business has the resources to get to the goal line. Pass or fail, home growing would still be illegal, just as it is right now without legalization. The difference will be made in the area of public opinion. Washington and Colorado have shown this. The rest of the USA can now see a working example of MJ legalization that didn't bring the world to an end and that has allowed other more conservative states to begin to move the ball forward. California failed because business, MMJ, and rec users fought each other for their own version of perfect legislation instead of pulling together to achieve legalization through popular vote. Like it or not, the first versions of these laws can't be everything to everyone. Once public vote says yes, then we can focus on tweaking the law to address the things that we as growers care the most about.

Keep in mind that the Volstead act was repealed in 1933, even though many people still supported the idea of prohibition. Most people could clearly see the failure of the Volstead act and the greater harm that it caused. The act wasn't repealed just because some people ignored the law. It took a coordinated effort by all parties interested in repeal to get the ball rolling without too much fighting about where the starting line would be.
 

mike4c4

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ON a different note IMO now that the DEA has lost all funding in the states that have LEGAL MMJ. And D.C. (which is home of FBI main office) joined the MMJ states. i think a change on a fed. level is in the near future.
 

overgrowem

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ON a different note IMO now that the DEA has lost all funding in the states that have LEGAL MMJ. And D.C. (which is home of FBI main office) joined the MMJ states. i think a change on a fed. level is in the near future.
Guess U mean sched. !. That will come between election and end of term, if at all.
 

mike4c4

Well-Known Member
Guess U mean sched. !. That will come between election and end of term, if at all.
sched ? No i said excitedly what i meant. nothing has been sched yet. but i don't think it will happen till 1/2 the stats in the US has MMJ passed.
 

overgrowem

Well-Known Member
sched ? No i said excitedly what i meant. nothing has been sched yet. but i don't think it will happen till 1/2 the stats in the US has MMJ passed.
Nothing has been sched yet . Pot has been sched 1 for 40 years. I don't see drug warrior Clinton or any Repug. willing to act at all. 3/4 of red states would need mmj for a Repub. admin to act. O' Bama has the window of opp.. Only polls could change attitudes of next admin. and I DO NOT see that support coming from right minions. IMO if Berry doesn't act it will be along wait...
 

overgrowem

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fuck these crooked ass fucks i hope weed is illegal forever
Prohab. is preferable to no home grow. I'm afraid sheeple won't get it though, and east/ south will go w/ Wash St. model.So worst of all worlds will roll on.
 
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TreeOfLiberty

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I've seen the Ohio laws on marijuana cultivation, the way they are written is set up to go by weight. Not plant count, so yeah, cops after raiding illegal home growers will resort to picking up the entire plant and weigh the whole thing and ...BAM ! ...FELONY cultivation. Multiple numbers of plants will just add to the severity of the felony charge. Responsible Ohio WILL NOT make the high dollar profits they are hoping for. They just won't. As soon as their bill passes, thousands of home grows all over Ohio will spring up and greatly set a precedent of price that Responsible Ohio will not be able to match.


I live in Colorado and the black market is still going strong here. It's going stronger even in WA state and it will be even more dominating in Ohio.Half-way legalization measures set up to endorse a monopoly, which it will be is going to so badly fail for the big money backers of Responsible Ohio. I'm going to enjoy seeing Responsible Ohio backers bitch about the black market when they crush the sales of Responsible Ohio's soon-coming stores.


The time for baby steps is over. The time for half-way measures shouldn't be tolerated. What I've outlined will happen for Ohio. Legalizing for possession but forbidding cultivation in-home won't be abided by. Responsible Ohio backers are going to lose big money then bitch about it and they'll deserve to lose money. Thousands of Ohioans will take that extra step on their own with an attitude of damn paying 400 an ounce, I'll either grow my own or find joe and jane home grower down the street that are selling 200 dollar ounces and I don't blame the black market seekers. There will be no shortage of black market growers either. The upside to this is that from all the increase in marijuana grow raids, the Ohio legislators will say we've got to put a stop to this surge of arrests over home grows and add-in home growing protections. That's what one WA senator is trying to get passed now to add in 6 plants for recreational users just as we in CO have, as it should've been in WA's I-502 to begin with.


My only advice for all the Ohio residents that WILL resort to growing when they see how much Responsible Ohio herb stores charge is, GROW STEALTHILY, get a good carbon filter extraction and keep the plants small, and make everyone think you are buying it from the monopolistic herb stores.
 

mike4c4

Well-Known Member
I've seen the Ohio laws on marijuana cultivation, the way they are written is set up to go by weight. Not plant count, so yeah, cops after raiding illegal home growers will resort to picking up the entire plant and weigh the whole thing and ...BAM ! ...FELONY cultivation. Multiple numbers of plants will just add to the severity of the felony charge. Responsible Ohio WILL NOT make the high dollar profits they are hoping for. They just won't. As soon as their bill passes, thousands of home grows all over Ohio will spring up and greatly set a precedent of price that Responsible Ohio will not be able to match.


I live in Colorado and the black market is still going strong here. It's going stronger even in WA state and it will be even more dominating in Ohio.Half-way legalization measures set up to endorse a monopoly, which it will be is going to so badly fail for the big money backers of Responsible Ohio. I'm going to enjoy seeing Responsible Ohio backers bitch about the black market when they crush the sales of Responsible Ohio's soon-coming stores.


The time for baby steps is over. The time for half-way measures shouldn't be tolerated. What I've outlined will happen for Ohio. Legalizing for possession but forbidding cultivation in-home won't be abided by. Responsible Ohio backers are going to lose big money then bitch about it and they'll deserve to lose money. Thousands of Ohioans will take that extra step on their own with an attitude of damn paying 400 an ounce, I'll either grow my own or find joe and jane home grower down the street that are selling 200 dollar ounces and I don't blame the black market seekers. There will be no shortage of black market growers either. The upside to this is that from all the increase in marijuana grow raids, the Ohio legislators will say we've got to put a stop to this surge of arrests over home grows and add-in home growing protections. That's what one WA senator is trying to get passed now to add in 6 plants for recreational users just as we in CO have, as it should've been in WA's I-502 to begin with.


My only advice for all the Ohio residents that WILL resort to growing when they see how much Responsible Ohio herb stores charge is, GROW STEALTHILY, get a good carbon filter extraction and keep the plants small, and make everyone think you are buying it from the monopolistic herb stores.
Does any body even care if Responsible Ohio backers loos money? I dont. I grow what I smoke. most of the people that truly bitch are the ones selling and talking how it will raise the price. my price is the same its been for years and it wont go up. I grow so its free to me.
 

mike4c4

Well-Known Member
I've seen the Ohio laws on marijuana cultivation, the way they are written is set up to go by weight. Not plant count, so yeah, cops after raiding illegal home growers will resort to picking up the entire plant and weigh the whole thing and ...BAM ! ...FELONY cultivation. Multiple numbers of plants will just add to the severity of the felony charge. Responsible Ohio WILL NOT make the high dollar profits they are hoping for. They just won't. As soon as their bill passes, thousands of home grows all over Ohio will spring up and greatly set a precedent of price that Responsible Ohio will not be able to match.


I live in Colorado and the black market is still going strong here. It's going stronger even in WA state and it will be even more dominating in Ohio.Half-way legalization measures set up to endorse a monopoly, which it will be is going to so badly fail for the big money backers of Responsible Ohio. I'm going to enjoy seeing Responsible Ohio backers bitch about the black market when they crush the sales of Responsible Ohio's soon-coming stores.


The time for baby steps is over. The time for half-way measures shouldn't be tolerated. What I've outlined will happen for Ohio. Legalizing for possession but forbidding cultivation in-home won't be abided by. Responsible Ohio backers are going to lose big money then bitch about it and they'll deserve to lose money. Thousands of Ohioans will take that extra step on their own with an attitude of damn paying 400 an ounce, I'll either grow my own or find joe and jane home grower down the street that are selling 200 dollar ounces and I don't blame the black market seekers. There will be no shortage of black market growers either. The upside to this is that from all the increase in marijuana grow raids, the Ohio legislators will say we've got to put a stop to this surge of arrests over home grows and add-in home growing protections. That's what one WA senator is trying to get passed now to add in 6 plants for recreational users just as we in CO have, as it should've been in WA's I-502 to begin with.


My only advice for all the Ohio residents that WILL resort to growing when they see how much Responsible Ohio herb stores charge is, GROW STEALTHILY, get a good carbon filter extraction and keep the plants small, and make everyone think you are buying it from the monopolistic herb stores.
"Marijuana does not include the mature stalks of the plant, fiber produced from the stalks, oils or cake made from the seeds of the plant, or any other compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the mature stalks, except the resin extracted from the mature stalks, fiber, oil or cake, or the sterilized seed of the plant that is incapable of germination."

See:

  • Ohio Revised Code 2011, §3719.01 (O) Web Search
* A minor misdemeanor does not create a criminal record in Ohio.

** Ohio provides an affirmative defense for this level of cultivation if the defendant can meet the burden to prove that the marijuana was intended solely for personal use by a preponderance of the evidence. If this defense is successful, the defendant can still be convicted of, or plead guilty to, a misdemeanor violation of illegal cultivation of marihuana.

Penalties for the cultivation of marijuana are identical to the penalties for possessing an equivalent amount, in weight, of marijuana. See the chart above for further guidance.

See:

 

TheHermit

Well-Known Member
The upside to this is that from all the increase in marijuana grow raids, the Ohio legislators will say we've got to put a stop to this surge of arrests over home grows and add-in home growing protections.
How is that an upside? I guess it is ok as long as it is not you being arrested. This bill is a loser. It is an attempt at a money grab by people who are trying to cash in on the changing public perception. I would rather wait another year or two for a bill that isn't complete garbage.
 

mike4c4

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How is that an upside? I guess it is ok as long as it is not you being arrested. This bill is a loser. It is an attempt at a money grab by people who are trying to cash in on the changing public perception. I would rather wait another year or two for a bill that isn't complete garbage.
i agree the bill has flaws. it just seems to me that everyone wants to start at the top. Have you EVER started a new job at the top position or did you have to work your way up. im not saying to take baby steps, but we CANT START at the top.
IF the bill is to aggressive it wont pass ever. And just waiting another year.
How many med.. pat. WILL DIE IN PAIN. if we wait. COME ON people this this is something that needs to happen.
PS. If you want to hear what non growing med. pat. think about the bill i can give you a link to there site and you can listen to there pain and trouble. Then you can come on here and tell people to wait, if you can see your keyboard through your watering eyes. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
 
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