Official 'FUCK THE POLICE' Thread. (Examples of Police Brutality)

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pabloesqobar

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curious2garden said:
I've been in so cal during three revamps of a couple large departments and they become MORE polluted sooner than later.
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Technology is rapidly chipping away at that. Now that every single citizen has a video camera in their pocket. Along with the resulting lawsuits and taxpayer money being paid to those damaged by police abuse, uncovered by that technology.

Imagine watching old episodes of Hill Street Blues, and instead of the Sergeant at roll call saying "hey, let's be careful out there", he says "never forget every thing you do is being recorded by everyone". Im guessing that's what they're preaching now.

curious2garden said:
Corrupt police are a symptom of a greater evil and I'm sad that my grand kids are probably going to either be enslaved or have to fight the real war that ensues. But the question is why are the Feds pushing militarization of local law enforcement? Why are laws that enhance corruption not removed from the books (RICO)? The evil isn't in the sucker fish it's in the large predators. The sucker fish are merely the clarion call.
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Corrupt people are a symptom of a greater evil - we may be saying the same thing. I doubt police work, inherently, attracts corrupt candidates. (Perhaps more in response to SF's point) Your typical candidate is young and naive, never been in any trouble/caught in any trouble. Eager to serve, without realizing what that means until it's too late. It's more of a learned behavior, particularly when LEO could, and still do get away with murder.

It's impossible to fully man/woman every police force in the Nation with those whom many now believe must be morally superior Super Cops, that get it right every time. That's a fairly mpossible task. Even if possible, those Cops are few and far between, and there will never be enough of them to go around.

It's not your average young person that can be given a uniform, badge, gun and (until the advent of smartphones) unquestioned veracity - and not have it affect their behavior negatively. Combine that with outdated training and training officers who were products of that training.

A 28 year old Cop with no education other than a high school diploma and a several month Academy, can pull over a US Supreme Court Justice . . . and be in complete power. It's a power most normal people would not handle perfectly all the time. And once you've learned that behavior and used that power, and gotten away with the occasional unrecorded civil rights violation here and there, for years . . . it's tough to transition to Super Cop status.

I recall Obama speaking out against the militarization of law enforcement awhile back when he decided it was politically convenient. But I suspect militarization had been done, in part, because of prior instances of local law enforcement being sorely outgunned by highly militarized bad guys.

And perhaps because of government budgeting. Use all of the money by the end of the fiscal year, or get less money next year, which would look horrible in your evals. You can get everyone on the force their 5th set of Hi-Techs, flashlights, Glock, high powered binoculars, camera, etc. Or an Assault Vehicle.

Edit: Damn, that's too much to read. More importantly, I'm drinking cheap Chardonnay.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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@pabloesqobar your portrait of a role punk cop being in compete control of a Supreme Court Justice at a traffic stop is an enlightening, nevermind jarring, example of exactly what's wrong with police enforcement today.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely- where's the checks and balances on this egregious situation? Where's the accountability? The DA's office is holding the rest of us accountable but all too often hold police officers to a much different and more lenient standard, which directly chips away at any limits on the naked power of the modern American cop.

And y'all wonder why I call this system fascist.

FUCK THE POLICE.

NO RESPECT WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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pabloesqobar said:
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A 28 year old Cop with no education other than a high school diploma and a several month Academy, can pull over a US Supreme Court Justice . . . and be in complete power. It's a power most normal people would not handle perfectly all the time. And once you've learned that behavior and used that power, and gotten away with the occasional unrecorded civil rights violation here and there, for years . . . it's tough to transition to Super Cop status.
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That is very true and I agree.

In this current social environment most cops are scared for their lives. They are out there alone and they know most public sentiment is against them. With this kind of social milieu thinking we can hire Sheriff Taylor from Mayberry is naive at best. Even if we could after a year on the street would they remain that way?

At least the justice would have the intelligence not to argue with a cop about national policy and the cops job. Hopefully he'd be smart enough to wait for the right venue, before a trier of fact or a report to the internal affairs division.

pabloesqobar said:
I recall Obama speaking out against the militarization of law enforcement awhile back when he decided it was politically convenient. But I suspect militarization had been done, in part, because of prior instances of local law enforcement being sorely outgunned by highly militarized bad guys.

And perhaps because of government budgeting. Use all of the money by the end of the fiscal year, or get less money next year, which would look horrible in your evals. You can get everyone on the force their 5th set of Hi-Techs, flashlights, Glock, high powered binoculars, camera, etc. Or an Assault Vehicle.

Edit: Damn, that's too much to read. More importantly, I'm drinking cheap Chardonnay.
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LOL I matched you with my cheap Pinot Grigio!

Well actually they don't spend on militarization. The department is gifted it's military equipment, where they get it matters only to point out where the push for militarization comes from; the Federal Government.

Remember the Hollywood bank robbery where the cops had to beg local gun dealers for the firepower to take the bad guys down? Public opinion changed then in LA. How do you put the genie back into the bottle I disagree it's going to the city council. The Christopher commission couldn't clean it out completely. I think it's removing a boat load of counter productive rules off the books and removing the financial gains. For example without prohibition certain things lose inherent value etc...

As for the militarization, if it were my husband on the streets I'd want him wearing the best level assault gear available. Then again Sgt. Owen was literally assassinated by a thief not to far from my house. So the sheriff's department is pretty edgy right now as well as the entire community.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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pabloesqobar said:
~snip~ But I suspect militarization had been done, in part, because of prior instances of local law enforcement being sorely outgunned by highly militarized bad guys.

And perhaps because of government budgeting. Use all of the money by the end of the fiscal year, or get less money next year, which would look horrible in your evals. You can get everyone on the force their 5th set of Hi-Techs, flashlights, Glock, high powered binoculars, camera, etc. Or an Assault Vehicle.

Edit: Damn, that's too much to read. More importantly, I'm drinking cheap Chardonnay.
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These prior instances receive a lot of press, especially the egregious examples. They are then played up as if every single violent crime were of this serious nature. The public perception of what criminals and police do is thereby deliberately distorted. I fear the press is not the people's friend in this matter. They're in with the makers of the current polarized condition between police and the people they are charged with protecting.

It's a reason I've been requesting references. Often they display some such bias.
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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cannabineer said:
These prior instances receive a lot of press, especially the egregious examples. They are then played up as if every single violent crime were of this serious nature. The public perception of what criminals and police do is thereby deliberately distorted. I fear the press is not the people's friend in this matter. They're in with the makers of the current polarized condition between police and the people they are charged with protecting.

It's a reason I've been requesting references. Often they display some such bias.
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^^^ that! Why is the fourth estate so into fear mongering? What is the agenda? I agree there are bad cops but I think the egregious examples are loudly proclaimed for a reason. I know bad cops in the LA area are a smaller percentage just as small a percentage as the 'supercop'. Outliers are always a small population statistically speaking. I think the majority of cops are simply overwhelmed by a very ugly job and simply want to go home and keep their family in food.

I also know out here (fwiw), that bad cops are fired when found out and prosecuted if they can be.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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curious2garden said:
^^^ that! Why is the fourth estate so into fear mongering? What is the agenda? I agree there are bad cops but I think the egregious examples are loudly proclaimed for a reason. I know bad cops in the LA area are a smaller percentage just as small a percentage as the 'supercop'. Outliers are always a small population statistically speaking. I think the majority of cops are simply overwhelmed by a very ugly job and simply want to go home and keep their family in food.

I also know out here (fwiw), that bad cops are fired when found out and prosecuted if they can be.
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I believe their agenda is civil disarmament. I don't even posit any great evil like crypto-fascism ... I think they're doing it on general principles. A docile populus is easier to milk for the shareholders.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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cannabineer said:
I believe their agenda is civil disarmament. I don't even posit any great evil like crypto-fascism ... I think they're doing it on general principles. A docile populus is easier to milk for the shareholders.
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EXACTLY. It's no secret the police "man" or police "woman" has been replaced by the "officer". We still have our Sheriff's though.......
 
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