Obama's Critique of Young People Who Want Legal Marijuana

TheMan13

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Obama's Critique of Young People Who Want Legal Marijuana
The president has spent many billions on prohibition. Yet he criticizes millennials for making pot too big a priority.


Every so often, President Obama is confronted with young Americans who favor legalizing marijuana. He typically treats their enthusiasm for the issue as a joke, despite the fact that he almost certainly wouldn't be a successful politician today if he'd been arrested and convicted for smoking marijuana with The Choom Gang in his youth. Obama fleshed out his belief that young voters care too much about legalization in a sit-down that Vice published this week. The interviewer revealed that marijuana is the subject that online readers most wanted the president to address.

The Drug-Warrior-in-Chief's reply:

It shouldn't be young people's biggest priority.

Let's put it in perspective. Young people, I understand this is important to you. But you should be thinking about climate change, the economy, jobs, war and peace.

Maybe way at the bottom you should be thinking about marijuana.

A sensible point can be extracted from this mess. If a genie appeared to a young person and said that with a single wish they could either legalize marijuana, end climate change, assure a strong economy, or bring about a peaceful planet, it would indeed be wrongheaded to prioritize legal marijuana. But that isn't how politics works.

Most young people don't have actionable opinions about the right approach to climate change, the economy, jobs, or war and peace. And even if, against all odds, they happen to settle on the optimal solution to one of those incredibly complex, arguably intractable problems, it is relatively unlikely that they could successfully bring it about.

done so in some states already), I imagine that they'll be more inclined to participate in the civic process going forward, having seen that activism can actually effect positive change.

Obama's skepticism of their priorities is ironic for the following reason:

Implicit in the legalization movement is the notion that the president, the executive branch he presides over, and law enforcement all over America spend far too much time and far too many resources waging a doomed campaign against marijuana use.

The young people to whom Obama addressed himself would be fully justified in reversing the criticism: "Given challenges like climate change, an uncertain economy, joblessness, and war, how can you justify spending perhaps $160 billion over the course of your tenure on marijuana prohibition? Isn't it the federal government, not us young people, that has irrationally prioritized marijuana policy? We're fighting for a more rational allotment of resources, where government funds are directed away from weed and toward challenges you listed as more pressing."

Obama went on to speak as if he himself understands marijuana prohibition to be a policy with lots of awful consequences. "There is no doubt that our criminal justice system generally is so skewed toward cracking down on nonviolent drug offenders that it has not just had a terrible effect on many communities, particularly communities of color, rendering a lot of folks unemployable because they got felony records," he declared. "Disproportionate prison sentences. It costs a huge amount of money to states. And a lot of states are starting to figure that out."

Exactly.

"What I'm encouraged by," he continued, "is that you're starting to see not just liberal Democrats but also some very conservative Republicans recognize, this doesn't make sense, including the libertarian wing of the Republican Party. And they see the money and how costly it is to incarcerate. But we may actually be able to make some progress on the decriminalization side. At a certain point, if enough states end up decriminalizing, Congress may then reschedule marijuana. But I always say to folks who support legalization or decriminalization that it's not a panacea."

A panacea: "a solution or remedy for all difficulties or diseases."

In all my years interviewing advocates of marijuana legalization, I have yet to encounter someone who believes that it is a solution or remedy for all difficulties. Rather, the young people who've made marijuana legalization a political priority have focused on details like the costs of the War on Drugs. The trends Obama declares himself encouraged by are a direct result of their tireless, noisy insistence on forcing politicians to confront a status quo policy that has been doing damage for decades.

Rather than burnishing his centrist credentials by joking at the expense of these young people and criticizing beliefs they don't hold, Obama should do more to advance the parts of their agenda that even he regards as common-sensical and overdue.
The entirely of his Vice interview is here:


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/Vice-founder-Shane-Smith-Interviews-President-Barack-Obama-marijuana/387964/
 

TheMan13

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"... At a certain point, if enough states end up decriminalizing, Congress may then reschedule marijuana. But I always say to folks who support legalization or decriminalization that it's not a panacea."

The truth is rescheduling or removing marijuana from the Controlled Substance Act is NOT the responsibility of Congress. But rather it is the responsibility of the Attorney General (his friend and cabinet member), a process clearly spelled out in the law (CSA) and one this administration has refused to initiate. Our best bet at this point are the kids waking up to this bullshit so easily fed to us. To bad Vice wasn't able to muster up that fact of the matter as Rep Cohen has :(

 

shredder4

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I think the govt. fails to think strategically.

If they would allow legal cannabis you carve off an enormous chunk of folks who would never use meth or heroin, or even more dangerous drugs in general like bath salts. These folks would be essentially switching sides in the "war on drugs".

I personally would have nothing to do with a meth person. Even though I have a lot in common with a meth head. We are on the same side in the war on drugs. We both fear being raided and assaulted, our property seized, our lives turned upside down.

We also need amnesty for those prisoners incarcerated over a plant, and those with criminal records over this plant.
 

TheMan13

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Funny thing is that 10 million illegal immigrants just got an unprecedented emergency executive order (amnesty) from the man due to Congresses inability to act within a couple of years, but 30 million marijuana citizen users and patients cannot get the required HHS study request out of his DOJ per the law (CSA) within a half century? Considering the abuse of government faced by immigrants vs marijuana using citizens and those associated laws, you just cannot square this bullshit up with any integrity what so ever.

 
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Skylor

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WeII hes better then other past Presidents when it comes to pot.

He might be over cautious, the US has a big problem with drugs, I'm not sure another drug is the best answer..yet here MM heIps me greatIy
 
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Skylor

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Watch, who ever repIaces him, won't be as cooI when it comes to pot,IMO..we should enjoy the good times right now, they might not Iast....MM might survive but I not sure RM wiII
 

Skylor

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I can hear it now........."we gotta start enforcing fed Iaws for our own good"....its going to happen unIess the Iaw is change
 

Cory and trevor

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I'm afraid you are right. I am hopeful there would be a backlash from changes like what you're expecting but I wouldn't hold my breath either. I'm taking myself off lists, club registries, etc in anticipation. The mmma registry could easily become a hit list and care clubs member lists as well should shit begin to roll back downhill for us. It's a fear but if you lived and burned through the 80's and the Nancy Regan era it's a real fear.
 

TheMan13

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Marijuanas inclusion in the Controlled Substance Act (1970), the "Drug War" in general, our associated exploding prison population (institutionalization pop culture) and abuse of citizens through "law enforcement" is the greatest civil rights concern of this past half century IMHO.

It's been nearly 20 years since Bill Clinton and his Department of Justice watched California enact medicinal marijuana laws rendering marijuana literally absurd as a Schedule I Controlled substance and did nothing. George W. Bush and his lawyers followed their lead as they witnessed many more states enact medicinal marijuana laws. Under Barack Obama nearly half of our states now have medicinal marijuana laws, 10% even have recreational marijuana laws and 60% of the American people support/demand removing it from the CSA/Drug War game. No President nor Attorney General in history have ever faced these facts of the matter and did nothing. At this point it is no longer simply a political opinion (D or R), but obstruction of justice for profit IMHO.

Even if a social conservative were to proceed Obama in 2016, I assume they would lack the political cover (media) to keep up this farce as they are allowed to blow smoke up our asses to keep on keeping on with their cronies. Furthermore, a fiscal conservative shouldn't balk at the required firing of tens of thousands of courtroom, law enforcement and prison personnel across the country or the push back (political funding) from their unions.

The game is over and somebody is responsible for the marijuana user, patient and/or caregiver wrongfully arrested every 45 seconds in this country today. We all need to wake the fuck up!!!
 
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silusbotwin

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I watched this on VICE the day it came out. Needless to say, I became enraged at his panacea comment. The truth is, legalization IS A PANACEA! The ripple from legalization, IMO, could change the planet entirely, including ALL industry on the face of the Earth! GRRRRRRR NOW IM PISSED!
 

ttystikk

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At this point it is no longer simply a political opinion (D or R), but obstruction of justice for profit IMHO.
And that's the heart of the matter, right there. All at once, pot is the hammer that keeps the people down, keeps the wheels of law enforcement(?!) greased, reduces competition for limited positions of power and ultimately serves as justification for fascist behavior on the part of our own government in a 'free' society.

Follow the money and you'll end up at the truth.
 

GregS

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I'm afraid you are right. I am hopeful there would be a backlash from changes like what you're expecting but I wouldn't hold my breath either. I'm taking myself off lists, club registries, etc in anticipation. The mmma registry could easily become a hit list and care clubs member lists as well should shit begin to roll back downhill for us. It's a fear but if you lived and burned through the 80's and the Nancy Regan era it's a real fear.
My take is that we must stay in the fight. Laws are falling like dominoes all over because of push back by little ol' us. I prefer to shout it from the rooftops. We own the issues, and dammit, aren't about to give them up.
 

TheMan13

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I like the part were Obama says when the white house does the petitions, that they get the same thing. What are they not seeing?
It's what we are not seeing brother, and that is the political might of those groups employed by this engineered criminal prohibition.

Note the actions currently in Congress supported by both Democrats and Republicans to force marijuana from Schedule I into Schedule II, instead of removing it honestly and treating it like alcohol. Granted Schedule I is less absurd than Schedule II (from a "business" perspective), but treating marijuana like cocaine (II) rather than heroin (I) fails to address the clear civil rights concerns of the criminal issue/"Drug War". Or in other words, their political cronies (D&R) would be left unaffected by any such effort/change. Furthermore, I doubt this would be the outcome if the Attorney General actually did their job in concert with the scientific study required by law and that's simply unacceptable.

On the other hand if Congress did the right thing and simply removed marijuana from the (criminal) Controlled Substance Act (aka decriminalized it) today, my guess is that Obama would veto it just like the Keystone Pipeline. We'd get nowhere with correcting the law, but I'd prefer this as the conversation following would finally get real rather than placated.
 

TheMan13

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Remove the prosecutors who believe reefer madness horse shit... A gun is worthless without a trigger
One does not believe in propaganda, they use it to gain and maintain power and control. They've built an empire over the past 50 years from the Department of Justice to the Department of Corrections that has become more of a problem than it as a solution ever hoped to be. The "discretion" of our local prosecutors are an integral part of the problem today, as is our local law enforcement and their "discretion", but they are just soldiers of the empire in the end. We really need to cut the head of this beast if we are ever going to truly win this battle and regain respect for the law that we have allowed them to bastardize and politicize for their own personal gain for a half century now. It's just another regulatory capture play plaguing (corrupting) our government as a whole today.
 
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