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Discussion in 'Hydroponics / Aeroponics' started by fatman7574, May 28, 2010.

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    fatman7574

    fatman7574 New Member

    Please post all questions, replies and opinions and requests in the Lucas Recipe From Scratch thread so as to leave this thread for recipes only. Thank you. I will respond to no replies posted in this thread.

    http://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/268790-lucas-formula-recipe-scratch-really.html




    *otanicare CNS17
    Coco and Soil Grow


    ppm

    Nitrogen 268
    Phosphorus 89
    Potassium 179
    Magnesium 32
    Calcium 315
    Sulfur 43
    Iron 10.00
    Manganese 5.00
    Boron 5.00
    Zinc 5.00
    Copper 1.00
    Molbdnum 0.09

    Ounces

    Part A

    Calcium Nitrate 20.8
    Potassium Nitrate 1.2
    Iron Chelate 1.35


    Part B

    Potassium Nitrate B 1.2
    MonoPotassium Phosphate 5.6
    Magnesium Sulfate 4.3
    Manganese Sulfate .269
    Boric Acid / Solubor .368
    Zinc Sulfate .291
    Copper Sulfate .059
    Ammonium Molybdate .002

    Volume of Stock Solutions 1
    Dilution Rate 100
    TDS 1596
    EC 2.3
    pH 5.8

    *otanicare CNS17
    Coco and Soil Bloom

    ppm

    Nitrogen 200
    Phosphorus 200
    Potassium 300
    Magnesium 50
    Calcium 231
    Sulfur 66
    Iron 10.00
    Manganese 5.00
    Boron 5.00
    Zinc 5.00
    Copper 1.00
    Ounces
    Part A
    Calcium Nitrate 15.3
    Potassium Nitrate 1.0
    Iron Chelate 1.35

    Part B
    Potassium Nitrate B 1.0
    MonoPotassium Phosphate 12.6
    Magnesium Sulfate 6.7
    Manganese Sulfate .269
    Boric Acid / Solubor .368
    Zinc Sulfate .291
    Copper Sulfate .059
    Ammonium Molybdate .002
    Volume of Stock Solution 1
    Dilution Rate 100
    EC 2.3
    TDS 1596
    ph 5.5

    *utch Masters Liquid Light

    ppm

    Nitrogen 15
    Phosphorus 110
    Potassium 269
    Magnesium 29
    Calcium 5
    Sulfur 38
    Iron .30
    Zinc .30

    Ounces

    Potassium Nitrate 4.8
    Calcium Chloride .2
    Iron Chelate .04
    MonoPotassium Phosphate 6.9
    Magnesium Sulfate 3.9
    Zinc Sulfate .017

    Volume of Stock Solutions 1
    Dilution Rate 100
    Total Fertilizer Salt Weight 16.01 ounces

    fatman's Bloom Drain to Waste

    Nitrogen 400
    Phosphorus 100
    Potassium 449
    Magnesium 50
    Calcium 125
    Sulfur 66
    Iron 10.00
    Manganese 5.00
    Boron 5.00
    Zinc 5.00
    Copper 1.00
    Molybdenum .09

    Ounces

    Part A

    Calcium Nitrate 8.3
    Potassium Nitrate 7.6
    Ammonium Nitrate 4.4
    Iron Chelate 1.35


    Part B

    Potassium Nitrate 7.6
    MonoPotassium Phosphate .1
    Magnesium Sulfate 6.7
    MonoAmmonium Phosphate 6.0
    Manganese Sulfate .269
    Boric Acid / Solubor .368
    Zinc Sulfate .291
    Copper Sulfate .059
    Ammonium Molybdate .002

    Volume of Stock Solutions 1
    Dilution Rate 100
    EC 2.37
    TDS 1650
    Salt weight 3244 mg/L

    fatman's Veg Recirculation

    ppm

    Nitrogen 267
    Phosphorus 82
    Potassium 291
    Magnesium 93
    Calcium 261
    Sulfur 123
    Iron 10.00
    Manganese 5.00
    Boron 5.00
    Zinc 5.00
    Copper 1.00
    Molybdenum .03

    Ounces

    Part A

    Calcium Nitrate 17.3
    Potassium Nitrate 3.3
    Iron Chelate 1.35

    PART B

    Potassium Nitrate 3.3
    MonoPotassium Phosphate 5.2
    Magnesium Sulfate 12.6
    Manganese Sulfate .269
    Boric Acid / Solubor .368
    Zinc Sulfate .291
    Copper Sulfate .059
    Ammonium Molybdate .001

    Volume of Stock Solutions 1 Gallon Each of Part A and Part B
    Dilution Rate

    fatmans's Bloom Recirculation 05-24-2010

    ppm

    Nitrogen 293
    Phosphorus 80
    Potassium 350
    Magnesium 91
    Calcium 268
    Sulfur 120
    Iron 10.00
    Manganese 5.00
    Boron 5.00
    Zinc 5.00
    Copper 1.00
    Molybdenum .0009


    Ounces

    Part A

    Calcium Nitrate 17.7
    Potassium Nitrate 4.3
    Iron Chelate 1.35


    Part B

    Potassium Nitrate 4.3
    MonoPotassium Phosphate5.0
    Magnesium Sulfate12.2
    Manganese Sulfate .269
    Boric Acid / Solubor .368
    Zinc Sulfate .291
    Copper Sulfate .059
    Ammonium Molybdate .013

    Volume of Stock Solutions 1 Gallon each of Part A and Part B
    Dilution Rate 100

    Standard mj micro mix 2500 to 1

    ppm

    Iron 10.00
    Manganese 5.00
    Boron 5.00
    Zinc 5.00
    Copper 1.00
    Molybdenum .09

    Ounces

    Part A
    Iron Chelate 33.75


    Part B

    Manganese Sulfate 6.723
    Boric Acid / Solubor 9.188
    Zinc Sulfate 7.285
    Copper Sulfate 1.470
    Ammonium Molybdate .061 = 1.71 grams

    Volume of Stock Solutions 1
    Dilution Rate 2500
     
  2.  
    LJB

    LJB Active Member

    I can't believe you guys banned this poster.

    By the way, it looks he quit uk420.com too.
     
  3.  
    Atomizer

    Atomizer Well-Known Member

    he was kicked out ;)

    For a Mathematician and Chemist he makes a lot of errors, i`ve corrected him on simple math issues.
    I`m no chemist either but i know enough that the 4.8oz/100gal potassium nitrate stated in his Liquid Light formula above will not result in 15ppm of N, its more like 3x that amount.
     
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    sponger2004

    sponger2004 Active Member

    Fatman's Bloom Drain to Waste ratios can be closely approximated with AN GMB at 1-2-1.
     
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    testertruck

    testertruck Member

    Has anyone used these successfully? specifically the fatman recirculating recipe?
     
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    nog

    nog Active Member

    hes a clever guy, can be rude because he dosnt suffer fools gladly, but he is spot on about AN etc shafting growers with fancy claims about bog standard nute formulas. shame if hes banned, ide rather read his posts that some 14yr old asking what is the strongest strain of weed, or like on another site some arsehole posting a video of a tatooed nobhead biting the face of some nerd with a stick, and the mods allowing it, on a site about growing pot,ffs. no doubt fatman will surface on some site somewhere, unless big mikes assassins dont get to him first, lol.
     
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    nog

    nog Active Member

    oh by the way, does anyone know where i can get ammonium molybdate in smallish (1kg would be loads) amounts?
     
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    patlpp

    patlpp New Member

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    nog

    nog Active Member

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    Cabron1

    Cabron1 Member

    I can't even begin to express the relief the HP aero thread was for me..
    I really appreciate TreeFarmer,Atomizer and most of all Fatman's input and
    shared knowledge.

    Atomizer ,I like ya bro but I really wish like hell that you could have avoided
    instigating what went on to end that thread..

    It truly broke my heart to see it closed...T
    Threads like that one are such an asset to a forum like this that it is worth
    $$ to this site imho...nevermind the Idiot Sherryberry I was ill every time that
    moron posted as well..

    Fatman if you come across this please contact me...

    Much Respect for that gentleman!
     
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    GreenThumbSucker

    GreenThumbSucker Well-Known Member

    Got my ammonium molybdate on ebay for 8$ for 50 grams......lifetime supply

    Get it here:
     
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    Hill0046

    Hill0046 Active Member

    Fatman I found your stuff late and I am so damn pissed they banned you. If you are active on another site please send me a pm and tell me where.
    Thanks for trying
     
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    epicseeds

    epicseeds Active Member

    anyone know where fatman is these days? please pm me!
     
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    blank85

    blank85 Member

    Anyone used Fatmans Bloom Drain to waste formula?

    I need to talk to the guy but every site bans him cause they cant handle his personality. (wimps)

    Any info would be greatly appreciated.

    Im currently using GHE 3 part in soiless mix (coco/verm/perl)
     
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    drewbot

    drewbot Member

    Can someone help resurrect and perhaps initiate a recipe consolidation? I've been around the boards and I've seen some commercial product recipes done by people who I believe may not know what they're doing. I downloaded the "hydrobuddy" which isn't doing me any good. I like the idea (linear regression)- it will be necessary for complex formulations. I have been cranking a few formulas out by hand and I would like some backup on them.

    So I just found my friend's bottle of Cutting Edge "Grow" 2-1-6 and cranked it out. Took 10 minutes:

    To 4L of concentrate
    KNO3 117.36g
    K2CO3 236.84g
    *Assume "Magnesium Phosphae" is "Dimagnesium Phosphate" derived from:
    H3PO4 Conc. 85% W/W 64.894g
    MgO 22.68g

    Sadly the computer can't make the observations as to what raw materials are available and cheap, so I had to do that. Also you have to mix it in the right order obviously. If I do the math correctly the cost is silly cheap. I picked supplement powders and specialty chemicals that I could get shipped on ebay and it still only runs $2.55 per 4L of concentrate instead of $28. If I went with the 50 pound farm salts I would guess that the entire cost is essentially the K2CO3 as carbonates tend to be pretty expensive.

    Anyway if someone wants to back me up on this stuff I'd like to go through the entire hydro lines. I don't fully understand where the ammonical nitrogen is coming from which is listed on the bottle. If it is from the KNO3 then I think I slightly underestimated the KNO3 and thus overestimated the K2CO3 (but not by much). The upshot would be a disastrous 1.8-1-6.25 or so
     
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    GreenThumbSucker

    GreenThumbSucker Well-Known Member

    Fatman used expensive programs that are used in the greenhouse industry and academia for formulating nutrient recipes from available raw fertilizer components.

    Fatman was banned in part because of his ascerbic personality, but more so because the fertilizer companies felt threatened by him. He was on a mission to expose them for the snake oil they pushed on marijuana growers and the huge amounts of money they were making with their overpriced fertilizer fomulas. I suspect some of the companies, particularily AN, were paying websites to ban him. I have seen him banned on websites for posting system designs and methods of growing because they were "too complicated and confusing" for newbie growers. That is the lamest excuse possible. I wonder how much Big Mike paid them to do that.

    Even though he was effectively pushed out of the online marijuana growing world, he accomplished what he set out to do. I have gleaned vast amounts of useful information from his writings.

    I have been using his lucas formula from scratch recipe for a couple years now, with stunning results. I plan on using his 'drain to waste bloom' recipe for my next grow in my high pressure drain to waste aero setup that I am in the process of building.

    Thanks for resurrecting this thread!

    GTS
     
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    oxanaca

    oxanaca Well-Known Member

    Hey I know im bringing back the dead but I had to. Cause people still read this and it sucks.

    initially learned raw salts from this guy. having made my own fertilizer for several years now I can say these recipes are fucked up. Hes no genius just an attention whore, with bad info.
    250-400ppm N. Are u kidding me 150ppm should be max.

    And his micro concentrations damn. I run 0.1gram/gal peters stem with .075/gal sprint330 FeDTPA. So
    4.6ppm fe
    0.35 b
    2.1 mn
    1.18 zn
    0.01 mn
    0.6 cu
     
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    Quasar Jones

    Quasar Jones Member

    I'm pretty sure Fatman's formulas were for 100x concentration, but in the original thread, he said he would never use them that strong, and suggested diluting to 200x to 300x for actual use in aero.

     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2015
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    Atomizer

    Atomizer Well-Known Member

    Stock solutions dont work like that :) If you need a stock to provide say 0.5ppm of something when diluted, you dont make one that delivers 5ppm after dilution and then dilute it again. The stated dilution rate is 100, so the concentrations given in the recipe although ridiculously strong are accurate or he would have put something other than 100 ;)
     
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    Quasar Jones

    Quasar Jones Member

    Can you share what you use, maybe by pm? I guess if you won't put it on here publicly, then you'd have no reason to give it me.

    If you can't share recipe, could you at least share target ppm of all the diff elements?

    I feel like an archeologist, combing through ancient dusty books found in a cave.
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2015
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